Why is remapping so exspensive
27 June 2011, 03:00 PM
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On New Age you have few other options and then price varied as well,for OS tune from £250-£350,against the EcuTek £550 excluding VAT.
Price are high due this because on Classic is only one available mapping solution and there is no competition.
Jura
27 June 2011, 03:10 PM
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On Classic is only available only EcuTek which have few years back monopoly as well on New Age.
On New Age you have few other options and then price varied as well,for OS tune from £250-£350,against the EcuTek £550 excluding VAT.
Price are high due this because on Classic is only one available mapping solution and there is no competition.
Jura
On New Age you have few other options and then price varied as well,for OS tune from £250-£350,against the EcuTek £550 excluding VAT.
Price are high due this because on Classic is only one available mapping solution and there is no competition.
Jura
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27 June 2011, 03:12 PM
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i get your point that it seems expensive
However, if you consider how much bhp gain you can achieve from a map, pound for pounds its not much more expensive that any other visible mods like exhausts, turbos, fmic's, injectors, brakes, wheels etc.
And, imagine if your mapper got it horribly wrong and it all went bang. You pay for what you get at the end of the day.
Now, I personally cant afford a map, but doesnt mean to say that I dont think that it represents value.
However, if you consider how much bhp gain you can achieve from a map, pound for pounds its not much more expensive that any other visible mods like exhausts, turbos, fmic's, injectors, brakes, wheels etc.
And, imagine if your mapper got it horribly wrong and it all went bang. You pay for what you get at the end of the day.
Now, I personally cant afford a map, but doesnt mean to say that I dont think that it represents value.
27 June 2011, 03:16 PM
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i get your point that it seems expensive
However, if you consider how much bhp gain you can achieve from a map, pound for pounds its not much more expensive that any other visible mods like exhausts, turbos, fmic's, injectors, brakes, wheels etc.
And, imagine if your mapper got it horribly wrong and it all went bang. You pay for what you get at the end of the day.
Now, I personally cant afford a map, but doesnt mean to say that I dont think that it represents value.
However, if you consider how much bhp gain you can achieve from a map, pound for pounds its not much more expensive that any other visible mods like exhausts, turbos, fmic's, injectors, brakes, wheels etc.
And, imagine if your mapper got it horribly wrong and it all went bang. You pay for what you get at the end of the day.
Now, I personally cant afford a map, but doesnt mean to say that I dont think that it represents value.
Jura
27 June 2011, 03:17 PM
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Pretty much, unless you swap out the ECU and get the new one mapped.
Bear in mind there aren't that many Subarus around compared to other marques. Hence there's less choice and unit prices tend to be higher.
J.
Bear in mind there aren't that many Subarus around compared to other marques. Hence there's less choice and unit prices tend to be higher.
J.
27 June 2011, 03:29 PM
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Remapping doesn't just give you better power, most cases it will also improve response and improve MPG's
It all depends what year you have,
99-00 you can have it Ecutek for around £550
92-96/7 you can have it ESL'd for around the same price
97-98 you is fooked and require another ECU, 750-1000 for either a Link,Gems, Apexi or Simtek
To be honest if you moaning about the price of a standard remap you ain't going to pay the £1000+ for a Simtek.
Keep it standard or sell it and buy a ford which cost next to nothing to bluefin
It all depends what year you have,
99-00 you can have it Ecutek for around £550
92-96/7 you can have it ESL'd for around the same price
97-98 you is fooked and require another ECU, 750-1000 for either a Link,Gems, Apexi or Simtek
To be honest if you moaning about the price of a standard remap you ain't going to pay the £1000+ for a Simtek.
Keep it standard or sell it and buy a ford which cost next to nothing to bluefin
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27 June 2011, 03:32 PM
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Remapping doesn't give you better power, most cases it will improve response and improve MPG's
It all depends what year you have,
99-00 you can have it Ecutek for around £550
92-96/7 you can have it ESL'd for around the same price
97-98 you is fooked and require another ECU, 750-1000 for either a Link,Gems, Apexi or Simtek
To be honest if you moaning about the price of a standard remap you ain't going to pay the £1000+ for a Simtek.
Keep it standard or sell it and buy a ford which cost next to nothing to bluefin
It all depends what year you have,
99-00 you can have it Ecutek for around £550
92-96/7 you can have it ESL'd for around the same price
97-98 you is fooked and require another ECU, 750-1000 for either a Link,Gems, Apexi or Simtek
To be honest if you moaning about the price of a standard remap you ain't going to pay the £1000+ for a Simtek.
Keep it standard or sell it and buy a ford which cost next to nothing to bluefin
27 June 2011, 05:29 PM
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I just want to clarify the year of your car? Is it 2000 or did you mean you had a turbo 2000?
On topic really, I have to say that the amount of time spent mapping versus the amount of time spent solving problems is sometimes as little as 20% of your total mapping time. There are many reasons that are car needs a lot of problem solving on a mapping session, but if a mapper can identify, solve or even repair issues and map the car in that session I think it is worth the money personally.
We tend to be the last line of defence before the car is finally ready for abuse, so we have to make sure everything works as it should, which is never as easy as you might think!
Hope this helps,
Graham
On topic really, I have to say that the amount of time spent mapping versus the amount of time spent solving problems is sometimes as little as 20% of your total mapping time. There are many reasons that are car needs a lot of problem solving on a mapping session, but if a mapper can identify, solve or even repair issues and map the car in that session I think it is worth the money personally.
We tend to be the last line of defence before the car is finally ready for abuse, so we have to make sure everything works as it should, which is never as easy as you might think!
Hope this helps,
Graham
27 June 2011, 05:43 PM
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List of costs,
Mappers time
Hardware
software
license fee (if applicable)
Rolling road time (if applicable)
VAT
profit (they have to make some money)
operators/driver times
liability insurance (check very carfeully to see if mapper has it, it goes wrong, your in the poo if they dont)
Mappers time
Hardware
software
license fee (if applicable)
Rolling road time (if applicable)
VAT
profit (they have to make some money)
operators/driver times
liability insurance (check very carfeully to see if mapper has it, it goes wrong, your in the poo if they dont)
27 June 2011, 05:51 PM
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The price is what people will pay, simple as that really.
Other Manufacturers can be mapped much cheaper because their owners demand more for their ££££.
It's not a numbers thing either (if you are thinking that there are many more Fords on the road than Subaru's) ..... as, I would hazard a guess that many more Subaru owners want to stretch the car ... rather than your granny in a Ford Fiesta!
Other Manufacturers can be mapped much cheaper because their owners demand more for their ££££.
It's not a numbers thing either (if you are thinking that there are many more Fords on the road than Subaru's) ..... as, I would hazard a guess that many more Subaru owners want to stretch the car ... rather than your granny in a Ford Fiesta!
27 June 2011, 06:00 PM
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On the 1998 the ecu is not remappable even on EcuTek. So really your only two options are an Apexi, or a Simtek. Apexi really requires the use of a rpm/duty based boost controller like the AVCR to be able to control the turbo accurately, which will almost always put it up to the cost of a Simtek anyway.
Graham
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27 June 2011, 07:22 PM
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TWEAKS!?
TWEAKS!?
The re-map is a TWEAK!!
To charge extra because the first re-map didn't do the job is an outrage .... IMO.
It does make me laugh how some people hereabouts moan if fuel goes up 1p a Litre - yet spend £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££'s trying to get their car to behave like another car ... the car they should have bought in the first place!!
And the increased mpg out of a re-map is a fallacy .... if you use the power then you will get WORSE mpg figures. If you don't use the power then any money spent gaining extra power is pointless.
TWEAKS!?
The re-map is a TWEAK!!
To charge extra because the first re-map didn't do the job is an outrage .... IMO.
It does make me laugh how some people hereabouts moan if fuel goes up 1p a Litre - yet spend £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££'s trying to get their car to behave like another car ... the car they should have bought in the first place!!
And the increased mpg out of a re-map is a fallacy .... if you use the power then you will get WORSE mpg figures. If you don't use the power then any money spent gaining extra power is pointless.
Last edited by pslewis; 27 June 2011 at 07:24 PM.