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Old 30 June 2010, 10:11 AM
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ok before i had the bugeye wrx ppp and i didnt think it was quick enough for me...

so i sold it and av got a astra vxr stage 2 running 282bhp 335lbs torque..really happy with it but i always have soft spot for scoobys.. now ill be honest a can beat scoobys all day long running 320bhp...on road...

this is what am after is..

best spec scooby for say 9k..... a subaru where a can get turbo back on it without having to update ecu so it dont boost spike....(cos last time i ad one i got told it wud boost spike or sumat) also am from south yorkshire so is scooby clinc good???
Old 30 June 2010, 10:16 AM
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If you change the exhaust to allow the turbo to spin up quicker then you're going to get boost issues without a re-map.... that's pretty much the bottom line.

With 9k you can afford to buy a fully sorted/modified early newage with 360+bhp I'd have thought?
Old 30 June 2010, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by scooby L
If you change the exhaust to allow the turbo to spin up quicker then you're going to get boost issues without a re-map.... that's pretty much the bottom line.

With 9k you can afford to buy a fully sorted/modified early newage with 360+bhp I'd have thought?
rite...just with the astra vxr we can put turbo back on without having this issue....also if say i put a induction kit on aswell will it run lumpy till get it mapped? ive heard? this time i wanna gather all info together before buying one....? thanx for you reply?

am a rite in saying a 3" decated system is best for subaru's???

what kind of engine aka sti? do i need to be luking at with best spec for 9k? sorry for being thick..just ive always been a vauxhall man...
Old 30 June 2010, 03:12 PM
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JDM 2.0L STI newage
CAI
3" decat exhaust
Remap

Easy 360bhp (prob more)

The 2.0L UK STI will also return 340-360bhp with these mods but it's pretty maxed out without further turbo upgrades.

Not sure why Subaru's need the re-map with exhaust/intake mods alone... maybe it's the flat 4 design that's prone to lean fuelling..? Not sure....

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mm I'm in a pickle now. I've had a sports cat fitted (Ninja), and a Afterburner Vortex to replace my Apexi N1.

From what I've been told I'll get away without a remap as the Lamba sensor is before the cat.

Though it would be reccommended to have a remap. My car is a mY99 V5 STI
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Originally Posted by scooby L
JDM 2.0L STI newage
CAI
3" decat exhaust
Remap

Easy 360bhp (prob more)

The 2.0L UK STI will also return 340-360bhp with these mods but it's pretty maxed out without further turbo upgrades.

Not sure why Subaru's need the re-map with exhaust/intake mods alone... maybe it's the flat 4 design that's prone to lean fuelling..? Not sure....
sorry whats cai?????

so is the jdm sti the hawkeye sti?

have u got any links to the car ur on about sorry, am not that clued up on them so looking to u guys and girls for advice thanx
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If you're running a sports cat as opposed to a de-cat, and not experiencing any boost surge/creep/hesitation then you're probably ok.

personally I'd get a knocklink fitted, just to make sure you've not got DET going on as a result of the quicker spool up.
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Originally Posted by Wrx Prodrive Jase
sorry whats cai?????
Cold air intake (cone or wing fitted)


so is the jdm sti the hawkeye sti?
no...

all models come in both UK and JDM spec...

JDM's are twin scroll 2.0L with stronger internals

UK cars have the single scroll turbo and produce 40bhp less out of the box from new

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Originally Posted by scooby L
If you're running a sports cat as opposed to a de-cat, and not experiencing any boost surge/creep/hesitation then you're probably ok.

personally I'd get a knocklink fitted, just to make sure you've not got DET going on as a result of the quicker spool up.
well if i get a scooby i will plough 2k into it at scooby clinic wud i get a few decent things on it for 2k?
Old 30 June 2010, 04:51 PM
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http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1819529.htm

£2k will make it go faster and handle better. Another 1k will make it stop better too
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the best thing would be to look through the cars for sale on here as you can find some properly sorted classics already modded on here for less than 9k, plus they'll stop you wanting to drive the vxr ever again, totally different to a new age.
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Originally Posted by scooby L
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1819529.htm

£2k will make it go faster and handle better. Another 1k will make it stop better too
ur a star thanx for explaining this to me....so either way i need to get jdm version has its got better internals....?????
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newage: JDM

Classic: STI (all classic STI's are JDM but not all newage STI's are JDM)
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Originally Posted by scooby L
newage: JDM

Classic: STI (all classic STI's are JDM but not all newage STI's are JDM)

which is the best classic to have? i quite like version 6?
Old 30 June 2010, 05:07 PM
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For the money you have to spend, none of them, not as reliable as the new age twin scroll units (or the new age sti engines in general), so your better off starting there.
You wont need a cold air induction kit on the new age either, they will run nicely with a good panel filter, the air intake is far better than the classics
9k should get you a decent MY03 twin scroll, even an MY04 if someone is desperate to sell.

Tony
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
For the money you have to spend, none of them, not as reliable as the new age twin scroll units (or the new age sti engines in general), so your better off starting there.
You wont need a cold air induction kit on the new age either, they will run nicely with a good panel filter, the air intake is far better than the classics
9k should get you a decent MY03 twin scroll, even an MY04 if someone is desperate to sell.

Tony
sorry tony av u got any links to the cars u mention above? thanx mate..
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Originally Posted by Wrx Prodrive Jase
rite...just with the astra vxr we can put turbo back on without having this issue.......
Bit of a thread hi-jack but i think you'll find some sort of restriction system in the exhaust to stop it spiking.

All turbo cars rely on back pressure to stop the turbo spinning to bits, most now use the cat to do it, hence the need to re-map the ecu for the lower resistence if the cat is removed. Fit a stainless exhaust to most turbo cars and you'll need restrictor rings at least to help maintain the right pressures.

Not the same with non-turbo where you want the gas out as quick as but in basic terms, boost spike is an issue with all turbos just because of how they work.

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Originally Posted by KINGTIGER
mm I'm in a pickle now. I've had a sports cat fitted (Ninja), and a Afterburner Vortex to replace my Apexi N1.

From what I've been told I'll get away without a remap as the Lamba sensor is before the cat.

Though it would be reccommended to have a remap. My car is a mY99 V5 STI

Yes thats a good idea really. I'm just getting some gauges fitted at the mo so it be worthwhile. Also as I'm running on 99 to.
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TingTongPJ is looking for £6.5k-ish for his 400/400 (or so) classic wrx. That would eat your VXR

Very good price for a sorted car.
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and its not all fat and lardy like a new age.
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Originally Posted by Wrx Prodrive Jase
sorry tony av u got any links to the cars u mention above? thanx mate..
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1474641.htm
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