td05 16g power?
td05 16g power?
was just wondering what the power rating is on td05 16g turbo
im looking on to put a v1 short motor and have been told my vf35 wont fit...isit easy to convert so it does fit v1?
thanks
im looking on to put a v1 short motor and have been told my vf35 wont fit...isit easy to convert so it does fit v1?
thanks
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You can get a TD05 16G with the correct 90 degree compressor housing. The VF35 is a front mount only and i'm not aware of a conversion kit for it.
TD05 16G and VF35 are rated about the same, 350bhp. For your V.1 scoob the TD05 is the way to go. If you're doing that you should change the injectors as well for 440cc or bigger and you need to uprate the MAP sensor to a V.3 or V.4 1.86bar sensor.
TD05 16G and VF35 are rated about the same, 350bhp. For your V.1 scoob the TD05 is the way to go. If you're doing that you should change the injectors as well for 440cc or bigger and you need to uprate the MAP sensor to a V.3 or V.4 1.86bar sensor.
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You will need an aftermarket ecu or an esl map on the ecu you have if you want more safe power, note that your engine doesnt exactly have the best internals in the world, they use to be described as chocolate, but really thats for the rods, and I would seriously suggest looking at a GOOD 4 pot upgrade on the brakes too.
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You can put a FE turbo on a ph1 engine, all you need is a 90 degree Samco hose of the correct ID, it isn't too difficult. Less hassle than selling a turbo and buying another
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Also, what car do you have?
Just rereading the OP and you are putting in a v1 short engine. Into what? If its onto v3 heads and manifold or any later car the VF35 will fit.
Just rereading the OP and you are putting in a v1 short engine. Into what? If its onto v3 heads and manifold or any later car the VF35 will fit.
i have currently got a version 3 engine in...i hav a v1 block and want to put my v3 heads on...on ly issue is would they fit and would i need a v1 inlet manifold or would my v3 one fit?also can i get a silicone pipe for my turbo instead of converting it to 90 degress?
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Since you are reusing your heads, all your ancillaries will fit including inlet manifold and turbo etc, I hope whoever told you your turbo won't fit isn't the one fitting the engine!
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Exactly as Jay says. Your VF turbo front entry will fit with version 3 or 4 heads. You can use a silicon inlet tract if you wish and you may also wish to fit inlet manifold spacers, a kit for which is available from Roger Clark Motorsport and others.
Both the VF35 and TD05 16G are capable of around 340 bhp with all supporting mods. It does of course depend on what rolling road you go to.
In testing I have found the TD05 16G front entry makes almost exactly the same power as the TD05 16G with the 90 degree entry but the inlet tract has to be the OE turbo cover 90 degree or a smooth bend silicon bend.
Both the VF35 and TD05 16G are capable of around 340 bhp with all supporting mods. It does of course depend on what rolling road you go to.
In testing I have found the TD05 16G front entry makes almost exactly the same power as the TD05 16G with the 90 degree entry but the inlet tract has to be the OE turbo cover 90 degree or a smooth bend silicon bend.
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I think you need to be careful of what you are doing here as it seems you don't understand the capabilities of your car too well...
To start with, whoever told you the VF35 has "a lot of torque" is talking BS because that TD05 will produce similar levels of torque, and its not the turbo that has all that torque, its the engine, and there are more ways of increasing torque via engine upgrades (ported headers and equal length headers are 2 of them) but your gearbox and clutch won't take silly ammounts of torque and you will be left with a car that's costing you a fortune in repairs.
I would start to look elsewhere and mod that area first (brakes and suspension) and if you are going for the max bhp out of that turbo then you will need to go either uprated tmic or fmic.
Tony
PS, is that your white classic with the carbon bonnet? looks like a uk spec car? what year/model is it exactly as versions apply only to STI's and nothing else (and only classic STI's at that). Otherwise its down to the phase of engine you have.
To start with, whoever told you the VF35 has "a lot of torque" is talking BS because that TD05 will produce similar levels of torque, and its not the turbo that has all that torque, its the engine, and there are more ways of increasing torque via engine upgrades (ported headers and equal length headers are 2 of them) but your gearbox and clutch won't take silly ammounts of torque and you will be left with a car that's costing you a fortune in repairs.
I would start to look elsewhere and mod that area first (brakes and suspension) and if you are going for the max bhp out of that turbo then you will need to go either uprated tmic or fmic.
Tony
PS, is that your white classic with the carbon bonnet? looks like a uk spec car? what year/model is it exactly as versions apply only to STI's and nothing else (and only classic STI's at that). Otherwise its down to the phase of engine you have.
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If your broken v3 short engine is still in the car, pop the bonnet and have a look at the engine bay. It will look just the same once the v1 shortblock is in.
its a version 3 sti mate phase 1.5
its got the facelift bumper with p1 splitter
i already have a fmic
yh gearbox will be changed soon to a 6 speed or a ppg...also its had a rebuild with standard forge pistons and acl race bearings and new excedy stage 1 clutch
its got the facelift bumper with p1 splitter
i already have a fmic
yh gearbox will be changed soon to a 6 speed or a ppg...also its had a rebuild with standard forge pistons and acl race bearings and new excedy stage 1 clutch
No. you don't need the 90 degree pipe, everything you had before will fit if you are just swapping over the short engine.
If your broken v3 short engine is still in the car, pop the bonnet and have a look at the engine bay. It will look just the same once the v1 shortblock is in.
If your broken v3 short engine is still in the car, pop the bonnet and have a look at the engine bay. It will look just the same once the v1 shortblock is in.
yh i got told all you need to change is the block and all the ancillaries will go straight back on even tho its a v1 cdb
I think you need to be careful of what you are doing here as it seems you don't understand the capabilities of your car too well...
To start with, whoever told you the VF35 has "a lot of torque" is talking BS because that TD05 will produce similar levels of torque, and its not the turbo that has all that torque, its the engine, and there are more ways of increasing torque via engine upgrades (ported headers and equal length headers are 2 of them) but your gearbox and clutch won't take silly ammounts of torque and you will be left with a car that's costing you a fortune in repairs.
I would start to look elsewhere and mod that area first (brakes and suspension) and if you are going for the max bhp out of that turbo then you will need to go either uprated tmic or fmic.
Tony
PS, is that your white classic with the carbon bonnet? looks like a uk spec car? what year/model is it exactly as versions apply only to STI's and nothing else (and only classic STI's at that). Otherwise its down to the phase of engine you have.
To start with, whoever told you the VF35 has "a lot of torque" is talking BS because that TD05 will produce similar levels of torque, and its not the turbo that has all that torque, its the engine, and there are more ways of increasing torque via engine upgrades (ported headers and equal length headers are 2 of them) but your gearbox and clutch won't take silly ammounts of torque and you will be left with a car that's costing you a fortune in repairs.
I would start to look elsewhere and mod that area first (brakes and suspension) and if you are going for the max bhp out of that turbo then you will need to go either uprated tmic or fmic.
Tony
PS, is that your white classic with the carbon bonnet? looks like a uk spec car? what year/model is it exactly as versions apply only to STI's and nothing else (and only classic STI's at that). Otherwise its down to the phase of engine you have.
its a version 3 sti mate phase 1.5
its got the facelift bumper with p1 splitter
i already have a fmic
yh gearbox will be changed soon to a 6 speed or a ppg...also its had a rebuild with standard forge pistons and acl race bearings and new excedy stage 1 clutch
Look, before you go off on gearboxes let us try and help you further regards your turbo and engine lay out as someone is clearly giving you duff advice.
All the VF turbos including your VF35 are front entry. This means that the air tract is from the filter through the MAF sensor before turning sharp left between the power steering pump and the inlet manifold and down under the inlet manifold in a hard black plastic inlet tract on the standard car to the front of your turbo. Now that turbo can go straight on to your car and you can put version 3 or 4 heads straight on to your version 1 or 2 engine.
At the same time I would advise that you buy a manifold spacer kit from Roger Clark or similar. This will then allow you to run a silicon inlet tract underneath your version 3 manifold which goes straight on to the front of your turbo compressor housing. This is a direct replacement for the OE factory black hard plastic item and I can provide you with one of these for not a lot of money but lots of others can provide these too.
To get the best out of your VF35 turbo you are at the edge of what is capable on 440 injectors so you might want to consider 550 injectors. With 550 injectors you do not need a fuel pressure regulator although with the age of your car a replacement FPR may be adviseable. Buy a good one. Do not buy e-Bay rubbish. Nothing less than an FSE for your vehicle and I only recommend that because the boost level you will be running is unlikely to exceed 1.6 bar ever.
Now to explain further, a TD05 turbo in standard form on your car has a 90 degree compressor inlet cover and it is possible to cut the cover to make it front entry so it couples up with the inlet tract that the VF35 would use. You can use a TD05H 16G on your car with a 90 degree entry but there does not seem like a lot of point doing this and to do that you would require a 90 degree swept elbow to take the inlet tract towards the inner wing on the drivers side and not under the inlet manifold but this is not really worth doing if you have a VF35 in good order.
Converting a TD05 90 degree to front entry should not be done by muppets and you have two choices, either replace the cover with a front entry cover which is simple or cut the 90 degree cover and aluminium weld a short compressor entry stub in place. This requires a level of expertise and equipment not available to the average home mechanic so forget that.
For your knowledge a good TD05 can do 350 bhp and typically they are hardy turbos producing around 340 bhp. They are sleeve bearing and easy to overhaul and repair kits are readily available. The performance of the VF35 is very similar. A good one will produce 340 bhp and typically they are 325-335 turbos. The VF35 is sleeve bearing. The VF34 is a ball bearing turbo. It is not always possible to effect easy repairs on these although I have done it on a number of occasions but it is not particularly good practice. The VF34 will produce as much or more than the TD05. Therefore, that turbo is often scrap if there is a bearing issue and it is not as tough as the TD05.
Both turbos above are in the 350 bracket and capable of running with the OE gearbox, whatever that might be until you break it. Six speed gearbox conversion typically £2,000 drive in - drive out a few days later. PPG gearbox conversion, depending on selector forks etc. typically £3,000 to £3,750.
You say you have forged pistons, ACL Race bearings and a rebuilt engine. What pistons? Who rebuilt ? Do you have steel rods and what make ?
A forged steel engine is capable, built properly with the right componenets, 2 litre, 400-700 bhp providing you have the right injectors and turbo so your TD05 is likely to be a short term turbo until you have the car shaken down and start looking for bigger injectors and turbo to get beyond 400 bhp at which point you will need a different gearbox than your existing 5 speed.
One last piece of advice. Get the work done on your car by someone that is familiar with Subarus and knows what they are doing. Most of the advice here has already been given to you by Jay so go back and read the threads carefully before you go off on gearboxes.
I hope you find the above useful. As I said, read the information in this thread. Pay attention to what Jay has told you, he has been there and what ECU will you be running?
All the VF turbos including your VF35 are front entry. This means that the air tract is from the filter through the MAF sensor before turning sharp left between the power steering pump and the inlet manifold and down under the inlet manifold in a hard black plastic inlet tract on the standard car to the front of your turbo. Now that turbo can go straight on to your car and you can put version 3 or 4 heads straight on to your version 1 or 2 engine.
At the same time I would advise that you buy a manifold spacer kit from Roger Clark or similar. This will then allow you to run a silicon inlet tract underneath your version 3 manifold which goes straight on to the front of your turbo compressor housing. This is a direct replacement for the OE factory black hard plastic item and I can provide you with one of these for not a lot of money but lots of others can provide these too.
To get the best out of your VF35 turbo you are at the edge of what is capable on 440 injectors so you might want to consider 550 injectors. With 550 injectors you do not need a fuel pressure regulator although with the age of your car a replacement FPR may be adviseable. Buy a good one. Do not buy e-Bay rubbish. Nothing less than an FSE for your vehicle and I only recommend that because the boost level you will be running is unlikely to exceed 1.6 bar ever.
Now to explain further, a TD05 turbo in standard form on your car has a 90 degree compressor inlet cover and it is possible to cut the cover to make it front entry so it couples up with the inlet tract that the VF35 would use. You can use a TD05H 16G on your car with a 90 degree entry but there does not seem like a lot of point doing this and to do that you would require a 90 degree swept elbow to take the inlet tract towards the inner wing on the drivers side and not under the inlet manifold but this is not really worth doing if you have a VF35 in good order.
Converting a TD05 90 degree to front entry should not be done by muppets and you have two choices, either replace the cover with a front entry cover which is simple or cut the 90 degree cover and aluminium weld a short compressor entry stub in place. This requires a level of expertise and equipment not available to the average home mechanic so forget that.
For your knowledge a good TD05 can do 350 bhp and typically they are hardy turbos producing around 340 bhp. They are sleeve bearing and easy to overhaul and repair kits are readily available. The performance of the VF35 is very similar. A good one will produce 340 bhp and typically they are 325-335 turbos. The VF35 is sleeve bearing. The VF34 is a ball bearing turbo. It is not always possible to effect easy repairs on these although I have done it on a number of occasions but it is not particularly good practice. The VF34 will produce as much or more than the TD05. Therefore, that turbo is often scrap if there is a bearing issue and it is not as tough as the TD05.
Both turbos above are in the 350 bracket and capable of running with the OE gearbox, whatever that might be until you break it. Six speed gearbox conversion typically £2,000 drive in - drive out a few days later. PPG gearbox conversion, depending on selector forks etc. typically £3,000 to £3,750.
You say you have forged pistons, ACL Race bearings and a rebuilt engine. What pistons? Who rebuilt ? Do you have steel rods and what make ?
A forged steel engine is capable, built properly with the right componenets, 2 litre, 400-700 bhp providing you have the right injectors and turbo so your TD05 is likely to be a short term turbo until you have the car shaken down and start looking for bigger injectors and turbo to get beyond 400 bhp at which point you will need a different gearbox than your existing 5 speed.
One last piece of advice. Get the work done on your car by someone that is familiar with Subarus and knows what they are doing. Most of the advice here has already been given to you by Jay so go back and read the threads carefully before you go off on gearboxes.
I hope you find the above useful. As I said, read the information in this thread. Pay attention to what Jay has told you, he has been there and what ECU will you be running?
Last edited by harvey; Dec 5, 2009 at 09:38 AM.
Look, before you go off on gearboxes let us try and help you further regards your turbo and engine lay out as someone is clearly giving you duff advice.
All the VF turbos including your VF35 are front entry. This means that the air tract is from the filter through the MAF sensor before turning sharp left between the power steering pump and the inlet manifold and down under the inlet manifold in a hard black plastic inlet tract on the standard car to the front of your turbo. Now that turbo can go straight on to your car and you can put version 3 or 4 heads straight on to your version 1 or 2 engine.
At the same time I would advise that you buy a manifold spacer kit from Roger Clark or similar. This will then allow you to run a silicon inlet tract underneath your version 3 manifold which goes straight on to the front of your turbo compressor housing. This is a direct replacement for the OE factory black hard plastic item and I can provide you with one of these for not a lot of money but lots of others can provide these too.
To get the best out of your VF35 turbo you are at the edge of what is capable on 440 injectors so you might want to consider 550 injectors. With 550 injectors you do not need a fuel pressure regulator although with the age of your car a replacement FPR may be adviseable. Buy a good one. Do not buy e-Bay rubbish. Nothing less than an FSE for your vehicle and I only recommend that because the boost level you will be running is unlikely to exceed 1.6 bar ever.
Now to explain further, a TD05 turbo in standard form on your car has a 90 degree compressor inlet cover and it is possible to cut the cover to make it front entry so it couples up with the inlet tract that the VF35 would use. You can use a TD05H 16G on your car with a 90 degree entry but there does not seem like a lot of point doing this and to do that you would require a 90 degree swept elbow to take the inlet tract towards the inner wing on the drivers side and not under the inlet manifold but this is not really worth doing if you have a VF35 in good order.
Converting a TD05 90 degree to front entry should not be done by muppets and you have two choices, either replace the cover with a front entry cover which is simple or cut the 90 degree cover and aluminium weld a short compressor entry stub in place. This requires a level of expertise and equipment not available to the average home mechanic so forget that.
For your knowledge a good TD05 can do 350 bhp and typically they are hardy turbos producing around 340 bhp. They are sleeve bearing and easy to overhaul and repair kits are readily available. The performance of the VF35 is very similar. A good one will produce 340 bhp and typically they are 325-335 turbos. As the VF35 is a ball bearing turbo it is not always possible to effect easy repairs although I have done it on a number of occasions but it is not particularly good practice. Therefore, that turbo is often scrap if there is a bearing issue and it is not as tough as the TD05.
Both turbos above are in the 350 bracket and capable of running with the OE gearbox, whatever that might be until you break it. Six speed gearbox conversion typically £2,000 drive in - drive out a few days later. PPG gearbox conversion, depending on selector forks etc. typically £3,000 to £3,750.
You say you have forged pistons, ACL Race bearings and a rebuilt engine. What pistons? Who rebuilt ? Do you have steel rods and what make ?
A forged steel engine is capable, built properly with the right componenets, 2 litre, 400-700 bhp providing you have the right injectors and turbo so your TD05 is likely to be a short term turbo until you have the car shaken down and start looking for bigger injectors and turbo to get beyond 400 bhp at which point you will need a different gearbox than your existing 5 speed.
One last piece of advice. Get the work done on your car by someone that is familiar with Subarus and knows what they are doing. Most of the advice here has already been given to you by Jay so go back and read the threads carefully before you go off on gearboxes.
I hope you find the above useful. As I said, read the information in this thread. Pay attention to what Jay has told you, he has been there and what ECU will you be running?
All the VF turbos including your VF35 are front entry. This means that the air tract is from the filter through the MAF sensor before turning sharp left between the power steering pump and the inlet manifold and down under the inlet manifold in a hard black plastic inlet tract on the standard car to the front of your turbo. Now that turbo can go straight on to your car and you can put version 3 or 4 heads straight on to your version 1 or 2 engine.
At the same time I would advise that you buy a manifold spacer kit from Roger Clark or similar. This will then allow you to run a silicon inlet tract underneath your version 3 manifold which goes straight on to the front of your turbo compressor housing. This is a direct replacement for the OE factory black hard plastic item and I can provide you with one of these for not a lot of money but lots of others can provide these too.
To get the best out of your VF35 turbo you are at the edge of what is capable on 440 injectors so you might want to consider 550 injectors. With 550 injectors you do not need a fuel pressure regulator although with the age of your car a replacement FPR may be adviseable. Buy a good one. Do not buy e-Bay rubbish. Nothing less than an FSE for your vehicle and I only recommend that because the boost level you will be running is unlikely to exceed 1.6 bar ever.
Now to explain further, a TD05 turbo in standard form on your car has a 90 degree compressor inlet cover and it is possible to cut the cover to make it front entry so it couples up with the inlet tract that the VF35 would use. You can use a TD05H 16G on your car with a 90 degree entry but there does not seem like a lot of point doing this and to do that you would require a 90 degree swept elbow to take the inlet tract towards the inner wing on the drivers side and not under the inlet manifold but this is not really worth doing if you have a VF35 in good order.
Converting a TD05 90 degree to front entry should not be done by muppets and you have two choices, either replace the cover with a front entry cover which is simple or cut the 90 degree cover and aluminium weld a short compressor entry stub in place. This requires a level of expertise and equipment not available to the average home mechanic so forget that.
For your knowledge a good TD05 can do 350 bhp and typically they are hardy turbos producing around 340 bhp. They are sleeve bearing and easy to overhaul and repair kits are readily available. The performance of the VF35 is very similar. A good one will produce 340 bhp and typically they are 325-335 turbos. As the VF35 is a ball bearing turbo it is not always possible to effect easy repairs although I have done it on a number of occasions but it is not particularly good practice. Therefore, that turbo is often scrap if there is a bearing issue and it is not as tough as the TD05.
Both turbos above are in the 350 bracket and capable of running with the OE gearbox, whatever that might be until you break it. Six speed gearbox conversion typically £2,000 drive in - drive out a few days later. PPG gearbox conversion, depending on selector forks etc. typically £3,000 to £3,750.
You say you have forged pistons, ACL Race bearings and a rebuilt engine. What pistons? Who rebuilt ? Do you have steel rods and what make ?
A forged steel engine is capable, built properly with the right componenets, 2 litre, 400-700 bhp providing you have the right injectors and turbo so your TD05 is likely to be a short term turbo until you have the car shaken down and start looking for bigger injectors and turbo to get beyond 400 bhp at which point you will need a different gearbox than your existing 5 speed.
One last piece of advice. Get the work done on your car by someone that is familiar with Subarus and knows what they are doing. Most of the advice here has already been given to you by Jay so go back and read the threads carefully before you go off on gearboxes.
I hope you find the above useful. As I said, read the information in this thread. Pay attention to what Jay has told you, he has been there and what ECU will you be running?
Thnx for detailed reply..i am now thinkin of the tdo5 turbo.i got my rebuild done from my uncle hoo has been working on subarus for around 10 years.international car spares in oldham.it has standard forge pistons and rods.im not to bothered about the cost aslong as it runs right and i dontr get problems.i am looking to get a simtek ecu and yes wanted to upgrade to 550 injectors
so should i take the fuel pressure regulator out?
i want to achieve around 340bhp safely and was wondering if i can get this with my mods (td05) and the remap?
OOPS. Brain in neutral. Embarassment. A VF35 is sleeve bearing as is 05 producing marginally less than the 05 in my experience and VF34 roller bearing produces marginally more than the 05.
As the VF35 has a small exhaust housing, I think P15 it usually has good spool but not significantly better than the TD05 16G.
As the VF35 has a small exhaust housing, I think P15 it usually has good spool but not significantly better than the TD05 16G.
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I ported my VF35 hot and cold side to include the wastegate last year. On a very cold winter morning at 1.5bar when we had snow earlier this year it properly exceeded 300g/s.
After some ROM hacking that day i put it back on the road that evening and i was seeing 312g/s airflow. I'm not one for using OTT drivetrain loss percentages as i see used on many rolling road dyno sheets but after some fettling a reworked VF35 certainly has the potential for 360-370bhp.
Prior to this my VF35 as standard just about maxxed the MAF at 1.45bar. It's a bloody good Turbo and very reliable. You don't hear of many buggered VF35's unless there has been an issue with oil starvation.
After some ROM hacking that day i put it back on the road that evening and i was seeing 312g/s airflow. I'm not one for using OTT drivetrain loss percentages as i see used on many rolling road dyno sheets but after some fettling a reworked VF35 certainly has the potential for 360-370bhp.
Prior to this my VF35 as standard just about maxxed the MAF at 1.45bar. It's a bloody good Turbo and very reliable. You don't hear of many buggered VF35's unless there has been an issue with oil starvation.
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