eggy790

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just recieved them this morning, got pulled by a copper
in the morning there is queus of cars in the left hand lane, right lane empty.. pulled over the line a bit (everyone does it here including 2 cars in front of me)

and he pulls me and says instant 3 points here you are

kinda unfair

o well funny thing is there doesnt seem to be an offence code for it when im trying to tell my insurance? or even for online quotes? crossing white line.. it wasnt even a dangerous move or anything

what do you do in this case?

cheers

GMballistic

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That suck's. Surely a warning was all that was needed if that's all you did wrong?? I'm guessing he did you for crossing a solid white line then or did he do you for improper lane change? Should say the offence on the ticket.
After you have sent off your licence it should have an offence code on it (paper part unsure of the newer cards). Usually two letters and two numbers.
Goodluck with that eggy790

Drift_King

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If it was solid double white lines then it'll be a TS20. Had one of these back in 1995 when I put 2 wheels over them on an open bend at midnight It'll cause grief on the insurance quotes for the next 5 years I'm afraid.

Stevo210

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That's unlucky mate, feel for ya. I was in queuing traffic coming up the M621 joining the M62 a wagon on the M62 left a gap and flashed me to join in front of him, I did and 200yrds down the road got pulled for crossing the chevrons before they had tapered to nothing......retard. 3 points and £40 (cheaper back then).

nick172sport

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yep thats what i got 15yrs ago ts20

eggy790

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hi guys

yeah it was one solid white line, stand still traffic and going no more than 20mph tbh they were that many cars but not any chance of it being unsafe, and same only two wheels onto it

as for the offence code it says something 88 crossing over solid white line

thats it..

cant seem to find that code on online insurance quotes

might have to just ring them up

i feel like ive been done over lol i was all polite and answered his questions and he was flipping for nothing. saying i passed 5 years ago i should know the rule etc.

i wish i never owned up to putting two tyres over it now and just thought it in court

edit: just checked offence code : 0088 Crossing Solid White Line - Fail to comply with double white lines

not sure what the second double white lines means, i know about the solid white line..

Mark'sWRX

This sort of thing really pi$$e$ me off. I drive for a living and see dozens of bad or dangerous drivers every day. These people should be pulled, not someone like you who was (as you say) not causing any danger.

pikeywrx

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Id have contested it any way mate and said i was confused at the time. Iv been pulled a few times always in a impreza. Some times you get a decent police man. DONT DO IT again type thing some times you get one like you had, and then they wonder why next time you get pulled you mite not be as polite.

Should add that i used to get pulled alot for running on traders insurance obvoulsy this doesnt come up on anpr.

Iv also been pulled with my mate who is a MOT tester when he pointed out that the police car was running on a bald tyre and they had to get a low loader out to pick it up made my day felt smug for weeks lol

dunx

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Double white is naughty, but a single is o.k. if the vehicle you are passing is doing <= 15 mph ?

IIRC

dunx

eggy790

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its single white now im pretty sure... maybe double i dont know, but its checkered too at the same time so theres no chance of you going on the other side of road, the way the road is laid out is asking for this too be done..

and nah the cars were at standstill in left hand lane when i did it..

eggy790

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edit:

eggy790

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heres a pic bear in mind the whole left lane had standstill traffic going back 1 mile from the roundabout.. id been waiting in it for ages .. watching people go on the line and go into second lane at the bottom, by the time i got there, i thought it was safe and pulled out and went on the line past stationary cars .. 1 mile down the next road after roundabout i get pulled..



http://img104.imageshack.us/i/singlelane.jpg/

DazW

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If that's how those 'solid' white lines look now ...i'd be contesting that one!

eggy790

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i'll check tomorrow, how they look

really annoyed about this £280 going to be added to insurance if i accept

and the copper was like o take it as a warning, 3 points wont affect u its first time etc. dont do it again

DazW

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Who gave you the ticket? Traffic or Plod?

I'd be arguing on two fronts, firstly the 'solid' white lines are ambiguous at best & secondly:

Highway code states:

129

Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.

[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26]

...the key bit being 'stationary'

might be worth posting on 5iveo & get some opinions

5ive-o

mr_D

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Take your pic lol (not all in relation to your situation)


AC10 Failing to stop and/or give particulars after an accident
AC20 Failing to give particulars or report accident within 24 hrs
AC30 Undefined accident offences
BA10 Driving while disqualification by order of the Court
BA20 Driving while disqualified as under age
BA30 Attempting to drive while disqualified by order of the Court
CD10 Driving without due care and attention
CD20 Driving without reasonable consideration for other road user
CD30 Driving without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration
CD40 Causing death - careless driving when unfit through drink
CD50 Causing death - careless driving when unfit through drugs
CD60 Causing death - careless driving with alcohol level above limit
CD70 Causing death - careless driving - failing to supply specimen
CU10 Using a vehicle with defective brakes
CU20 Using a vehicle with parts or accessories in dangerous condition
CU30 Using a vehicle with defective tyres
CU40 Using a vehicle with defective steering
CU50 Causing or likely to danger by reason of load or passengers
CU60 Undefined failure to comply with Construction and Use Regulations
DD10 Driving in a dangerous manner
DD20 Driving at a dangerous speed
DD30 Reckless driving (replaced by DD40 from 01/12/91)
DD40 Dangerous driving
DD50 Causing death by dangerous driving
DD60 Manslaughter or culpable homicide while driving a vehicle
DD70 Causing death by reckless driving (replaced by DD80 01/12/91)
DD80 Causing death by dangerous driving
DR10 Driving or attempting to drive with alcohol above limit
DR20 Driving or attempting to drive while unfit through drink/drugs
DR30 Driving or attempting to drive/refusing or failing to supply specimen
DR40 In charge of vehicle while alcohol level above limit
DR50 In charge of vehicle while unfit through drink or drugs
DR60 Failure to provide specimen for analysis other than driving
DR70 Failure to provide specimen for breath test
DR80 Failure or attempting to drive when unfit through drugs
DR90 In charge of a vehicle when unfit through drugs
IN10 Using a vehicle uninsured against third party risks
LC10 Driving without a licence (replaced by LC20 from 01/12/91)
LC20 Driving while under age. Driving other than in accordance
LC30 Driving after making a false declaration about fitness
LC40 Driving a vehicle having failed to notify a disability
LC50 Driving after a licence has been revoked or refused medical
MS10 Leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position
MS20 Unlawful pillion riding
MS30 Play street Offences
MS40 Driving with uncorrected defective eyesight or refusing test
MS50 Motor racing on the highway
MS60 Offences not covered by other codes
MS70 Driving with uncorrected defective eyesight
MS80 Refusing to submit to an eyesight test
MS90 Failure to give information as to identity of driver etc.
NE99 Non-endorsable criminal Act
MW10 Contravention of Special Roads Regulations (excluding speed)
PC10 Undefined Contravention of a Pedestrian Crossing Regulation
PC20 Contravention of Pedestrian Crossing Regulations - Moving vehicles
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PL10 Driving without 'L' plates
PL20 Not accompanied by a qualified person
PL30 Carrying a person not qualified
PL40 Drawing an unauthorised trailer
PL50 Undefined failure to comply with conditions of Provisional
S 19 Disqualification ("totting - up" procedure)
S 35 Disqualification ("totting-up" procedure)
SP10 Exceeding goods vehicle speed limits
SP20 Exceeding speed limit for type of vehicle (excluding goods)
SP30 Exceeding statutory speed limit on a public road
SP40 Exceeding passenger vehicle speed limit
SP50 Exceeding speed limit on a motorway
SP60 Undefined speed limit offence
TS10 Failing to comply with traffic light signals
TS20 Failing to comply with double white lines
TS30 Failing to comply with a 'Stop' sign
TS40 Failing to comply with direction of a constable or warden
TS50 Failing to comply with traffic sigh (excluding stop, lights)
TS60 Failing to comply with a school crossing patrol sign
TS70 Undefined failure to comply with a traffic direction or sign
TT99 To signify disqualification under "totting-up" procedure
UT10 Taking and driving away without consent or attempt thereat
UT20 Stealing or attempting to steal a vehicle
UT30 Going equipped for stealing or taking a vehicle
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mr_D

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i know this is a little off your topic but has some bearing on how much police know.

They had been called out to a situation in a halfords store near me. well i was in the car park and started to make my exit (i was in pc world not halfords). well on my way out one of the police officers started shouting at me. asking me what the hell i was playing at driving down the wrong way in a car park. i sat there and took the lecture he gave me then he asked me to step out of the car. i did so and upon doing this i said to the police office what have i done wrong. (taking the mic) he repeart that he had told me i was driving the wrong way and putting pedestrians lives at risk. I Then took a nice deep breathe and told him to look behind my car. and what did he find?? an arrow the size of my car facing the way i was going. no appology no nothing. he just said ok on your way. the markings were not new. they had been like this for about a year now.

he wasted almost 10min of my time giving me a lecture about my driving without due care and attention and yet he was the one who was in the wrong.

not all police officers know the road as well as they think. they are quick to hand out fines to people that take it.

if your in the right then fight it. ! make them look silly

andy97

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That image is of Rodley bottom roundabout. I have adopted the same tactic before when going round the roundabout. The images are old and new lines have been painted to stop the traffic going down the outside of the queue.

There is an argument that the other stationary vehicles allows for you to pass over the double line, but you would need to take it to court and present a good case, using the RTA and hopefully past case law.

eggy790

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see i dont know whether to accept them or what.. highway code states

Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.

[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26]

and the queue was coming from the first exit at the roundabout which i found out when i hit the roundabout as it was clear from all angles.

ive never been pulled or in trouble with polcie so was kinda gobsmacked etc. and didnt really know what to say, he was just talkin down at me

he wrote down that he asked me wehther i had been on the line, i said yeh and he said do you know the offence? i said no, he said well its 3 points and im going to issue you them and then kept saying learn from it, it wont affect your insurance but learn from it, i was like bloody hell what just happened, didnt really think till i got back in my car and thought what the hell just happened..

so even if i go court, i wouldnt have a clue what to do or how to fight it, i did tell him id seen lodsa cars go on it and then onto that lane..

TimH

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If it is a hatched area, bordered by solid white lines then you must not cross it, period. If it is a hatched area bordered by dashed white lines - which is what your picture shows I think? - then you can cross it "if necessary" and it's safe to do so.

Or, at least, that's how I understand it?

alphaj12

if its gonna cost £300 on your insurance see a solicitor. A mate of mine did and the deal was if he didn't get him off it was free and he if did it cost £150 plus vat. Make some calls!!!!!

stevebt

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I doubt going to court will help you as you admitted the offence to the officer, never admit anything. They always say things to you to gt an admission as most of the time they know they can't do anything without it. The classic is "what speed were you doing there?" if you hang yourself by admitting your offence your screwed

pikeywrx

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say there was a dead cat in the road and you were simply avoiding it as you didnt want fur and blood on your splitter lol

eggy790

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nah im not going to lie

as for owning up, i didnt think it was an ioffence so confused as to why he was asking me and nearly run me off the road.. lol and then the way he did an identiticy check etc. was like wtf what did i just do?

eggy790

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Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.

[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26]

i dont see how this can not apply to my situation? even without the second sentence (althought when i went on it they were stationary!)

mr_D

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then fight it. take this script with you to court and read to the judge stating [Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26] and this paragraph "Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less."

and im sure you will get let off this one. you and the police officer both know the traffic was either stopped or moving less than 10mph

TimH

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Your picture shows a hatched area bordered by broken white lines, and you later said it had been repainted at some point. Is it now a hatched area with sold white lines?

Rule 130

Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

* if the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so
* if the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency

Wurzel

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Sorry but I am confused by this! Is that a 2 way road? if so then what were you doing over taking a line of stationary traffic in the first place?? Regardless of the fact nothing was coming the other way that traffic was queueing for a reason.

eggy790

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hang on ill get a better picture

its single lane going down and dual lane coming in the opposite direection!

the single lane opens up to two lanes at the bottom for the roundabout

heres a link to the road from further back

A6120 - Google Maps

note. the lines have been repainted! i check yesterday! however on the above pic where there is a gap in the line is the actual point i went on the line and into the next lane!

i didnt go over as i could feel the cats eyes on my tyres!

the traffic was stationary when i went on it! and the reason for this which i found out when i hit the roundabout was due to a backlog of cars on the first exit blocking them from pulling out!

TimH

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OK, so not the kind hatced area I was thinking of, so that's OK. So, you simply crossed a double white line. If you can argue you were geniuinely passing a stationary vehicle then great...but I suspect that is a tenuous argument since you were in a line of traffic that just happened to have stopped at that time.

That said, it does sound rather unfair, even if you were actually breaking the law