My mate has an FRP and has just sent me the following email, which came from the Puma owners club!!!

The bloke driving the FRP must have been eating magic mushrooms or somink!!

Comments anyone??

22b Being whipped by anything is a bit strange but an FRP

The driver should be shot

Denz


Subject: Re: [racingpuma] Scooby 22B arese kicking


Sorry for the late reply, I've been to Silverstone again today, watching the Jaguar F1 team testing, I did offer to go and dry the track for them in my car, but they didn't seem interested ;-)

When I went out on the track against the Scooby 22B I thought I was going to lose, big time, especially after seeing a 6 foot flame shoot out of his exhaust and then him disappear down hanger straight, but all that advantage he had was gone after we both finished braking. In the following corner he was sliding all over the shop, so I started flashing my lights for him to move over, but it took a lap of me, 1 inch from his bumper flashing my lights, until he gave me enough room to pass, he then tried to hang on, but after 2 corners I couldn't see him in my mirror, leaving Ian with his stuck on throttle to have a go ;-)

Mark
FRP 0190

[This message has been edited by Denz (edited 06 February 2001).]

 

So the 22B owner couldn't drive? Big deal!
There was a full rally Puma at RS National Day which was caught by me then wouldn't let me pass.
Don't mean poo really.....

Stef.

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Oh dear!
Yes the FRP is a good car!
Not that good, looks like a case of 22b pilot error!

Had some muppet in a FRP have a 'go' at me recently - i drive a nearly std UK turbo. To say i whipped his butt would be kind!
I had to slow down so's he could catch up just to make it interesting!

Ford Racing Puma stats
153 BHP
0-60 7.6 sec
130 MPH top speed
149 BHP per tonne
Bugger, haven't got torque or 1/4 mile info!
I believe the 22b can just about better those figures!

Not knocking the Puma, my other half has a 1.7 and it is a good car, probably one of the finest handling FWD cars avaliable.

IMHO the 22b is in another league.

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Maybe he couldnt see him in the rear view mirror because the Scooby driver had gone past him already and was busy lapping him.
Or he could have had a Turbo sticker on the Puma, thereby giving it the extra 130 odd BHP it would need to win.
The 22B couldnt have been trying to race, as surely no matter how bad a driver he is, he would still have more than enough of a power and handling advantage to drive the car well within its limits, and still drop a FRP.

 

I think this guy must have obviously had the Cosworth / NASA 'Rocket Powered' Puma 'Batman BAD-***-AntiGrav' conversion done, which then makes it compleatly feasable for a Puma to overtake a scoob 22b.

Of course it does.... My Ar$e!

The standard scoob is quick, the 22b is quicker still. I can only just hang onto a scoob with the 340bhp M5, let alone a 1.7, 153 bhp puma.

Lets just see this FRP down the track to see this overtaking manuver again shall we? I think not.

Paul
///M'ster

 

He was probably racing this bloke!!!

 

Hi all,
Following on from previous thread ...... Perhaps it was T*f N driving the 22B ????????
but there again no crash so maybe I'm Wrong !!

Tim

 

Sounds like Rich Squire was driving the 22B LOL

Did the 22B stack it woops that was in Wales LOL

Please get this Puma to Donington will you as im there in the 22B and then we may be able to see who's quicker?

Harj...
BSRT 22B

 

I could take you all in my Fiesta si, cheh right and monkeys might fly out of my butt!!!! LOL

More seriously though the Fiesta and Puma are pretty similar under the skin and I've kept with a few scoobs, for a while! I don't think the actual corner speeds are that different, the scoobs just accelerate quicker and brake later, oh and they go faster, the FRP is gonna get knacked for sure!

I went on the York run and a had a 22B behind me and sure enough he got past me but literally and inch behind him, a racing Puma!

The more I read this back to myself the more middle of the road I get, I'll get my coat!

Bob

 

I could just keep up with my wife on one of the roads near Skipton - her running in a Scoob and not really hammering it, me absolutely redling the poo off a 1.4 Fiesta Zetec (94bhp/ton). Quite funny to see her reaction though - she was whooshing away, turbo etc (only up to 4000rpm) and she said it felt really fast, but if you redline a little Fiesta you can stay with it. After that little demo, she quite likes her Fiesta now, which suits me fine now Scooby has 6000 miles on and is unbelievably torquey! I will let her live in ignorance! I have to say that in the dry, cornering speeds are only a little slower in the Fezza - one corner I am intimate with on the way to work is about 45 in Fezza, 50 in Scoob - not as much as you would think, but bear in mind that the Fezza has 185 tyres and weighs 25% less, Scoob 205. In the wet its still about 45 in Scoob, but 35 in Fezza. And don't talk to me about the Fezza brakes - it simply doesn't have any despite vented discs, recent new discs/pads. It makes even the std scoob 4 pots seem amazing.

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BOLLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!(in a word)

 

Well, the driver must've been 5hite. The actual Corner speed of a FRP is very good - they do handle well - maybe close to a scoob, grip wise, but the lack of power kills them dead.

Buddy, you are as open minded as ever.

 

I keep telling you all about Isaac Newton but you won't listen. If the race took place on a dry snakes and ladders board, physics dictates that the lighter vehicle will corner better than the heavier one and the advantage of the 22B would be far less even with its superior traction. If it took place on a more open venue, the 22B shouldn't be seen for dust. You can form your own conclusions but whilst the scenario above is generally not the norm (more likely to be a combination of one crap or careful driver, one good one and a bit of bull$hit)the gap may not be as great as you might think. That said, give me a 22B and I would retire and kill myself if I saw a FPR in my rear view mirror on all but the tightest of circuits!

Last year for example, a VW Polo rally car (one of those 12k Gp N things (790Kg)) was lapping the 3rd gear handling circuit at Millbrook almost as quick as we were in standard MY00 (1340Kg), a P1 and an EVO VI. Issac likes light cars and doesn't try to force them off the road as much. Once you accept this concept you will all start to learn that things are not as cut and dried as you may think !

 

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Sounds like Rich Squire was driving the 22B LOL
Did the 22B stack it woops that was in Wales LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can't have been me.. My arms and legs ain't that long

I can understand the 22B getting passed, esp if Harj was driving.. It's all in the power to weight ratio

Seriously anybody know of a 22B that shoots 6ft flames? Coz I've not heard of one..

Maybe Rainbird has had his Cossie re-sprayed LOL..

There were Racing Pumas at Silverstone when I drove it last year and yes they were quick especially through the corners. But if I remember correctly they were being driven by instructors and they were a bloody nuisance, overtaking on corners etc and the instructor in my car was just telling me to slow down and get out of their way. On the straights it was a VERY, VERY different matter.

Richard

 

Firstly let me say that I agree with general sentiment of most of the above i.e. it was the driver rather than the car which made the difference.

But, when the 22B was first tested it had the reputation of being a bit of a handful and not particularly nimble. I remember that when it was first tested, Performance Car suggested that the STi IV was a better handling car. Oh and then there was all that bollocks about it having 350 bhp which later turned out to be ... bollocks (see dyno page for the facts). So my point is, is the 22B not a tad over-rated?

Flame suit on.

D.

 

Hmmmm Racin Puma V 22B

Racin Puma wins ????
155BHP against 280BHP+, trust me you need to be one hell of a driver.

Is there a funny smell around here.

Ehhh, i have been a passenger in both and i guarentee the 22B is quicker alround.

If the Puma had a top notch rally driver, and the 22B was driven by an inexperienced driver, perhaps.

A distinct smell of BULLS.

I know its the wide arches which do it !!!!!

 

So that means it creams a Clio 3.0 V6, yeh right.

Total Bollards

 

I agree with Mike@PD, last year I saw a Mighty Mini (Slightly tweaked 1.3i) chase two Lotus Carlton's round Castle Combe, it made up under braking and round the corners what it lost on the straights. I still don't believe the 22B driver was trying however.

 

To put it into perspective, only the very quickest Scoobys lap Donington in the times set by the Fiesta Credit Challenge cars.

Power is great for a dual carriageway, but well behind handling and braking ability for importance on a circuit.

Imagine you can corner at 20mph faster than a more powerful car. You execute a bend and have 70m on him as you exit. You are doing 100 mph, he is doing 80 mph. It will take him probably 5 seconds before his speed advantage is high enough to be reeling you in. The next bend approaches, you are 1 sec later on the brakes and go through the next corner taking out a similar distance and speed advantage. If the bends are close enough together, the more powerful (but inferior handling/braking) car will gradually disappear in your mirrors.

Its only when you get a Bruntingthorpe type straight that he will whoosh past, sucking bits off your car

The Pirelli slogan says it all.

The Puma Racing suspension was developed by Ford at Boreham and the shell was originally designed to be Ford's WRC entrant. When the likes of Stig Blomquist spend months fine tuning a car's handling, it is always going to be good.

Had it been wet, it would have been a different story. Then again, maybe not if the 22B was on its standard suspension.

Years ago, I took Ander's 22B to the first Tour d'Ecosse. It was as much as I could do to keep with Mad Bob from Andersons, who was driving a Sport (very well, I must add) down the wet and twisty mountain roads. I probabaly had a 150bhp advantage. Bob had narrower tyres, which keyed in better, softer suspension for the poorly sufaced bends and ********* the size of Mars

ps Colin McRae reckons his Puma Racing is the best fun car in his (extensive) fleet.

 

In Autocars handling test at Mireval, the FRP was 6 secs a lap slower than the P1.

Thru a lot of the bends it was the same or 11 or 2mph slower - obviously the P1 caned it down the straights.

The P1 was on 18s......225/35

The Puma on 215/40/17s. Very wide track, very stiff suspension and loads of grip.

If it had more power, it would be a seriously rapid car. Shame the engines so feeble........

And think about what Pete said - those Fiesta challenge cars have 90-100bhp.

 

A friend of mine has a Severn valley turbo charged Puma which is very quick, produces something like 240 BHP and murders the Ford Racing Puma. It also cost him the earth to have done and all the bits to keep it on the road.

Darren.

 

Sounds to me as if we all need to sell our Scoobies and buy a Ford

Richard

 

I got the shock of my life when I overtook a Peugeot 106 GTI in my WRX when I first got it. It was on a country road, at night and I'd only had the car a week. I shot passed him and thought he would soon be a spot in my rear view mirror. To my amazement he was keeping up with me through the bends and did so for about a mile. I bumped into the driver in a pub a few weeks later only to find out he's a part time racing driver and his 106 is standard! Just goes to show what an experienced driver in low powered car can do against an average driver with loads of horse power!

I'va also seen racing drivers in 1 litre peugeot 205's thrash 1.9 litre 205 GTI's around a circuit

[This message has been edited by Charlie H (edited 07 February 2001).]

 

My brother in his BMW 318ti (MTech suspension) takes great pleasure in making Scooby drivers look silly at track days. He has done a season of F3 on top of a lot of other racing, and actually knows how to drive fast on a track.
Remember how slow you were on your first track day? Maybe it was the 22B's first time out, and the FRP had at least some experience?

 

Hmm..
Something tells me you guys havent been doing your reading with regards to Puma Racing.
On track, it would be faster round the bends, loosing out only on the straights, but not by that much.

Cem

 

BLOW DOG,
I KNOW YOU ARE AN EVO OWNER, BUT PLEASE USE BETTER AMMUNITION THAN AN FRP PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

 

It is quite feasable for a PUMA to give a 22B a hard time. If the PUMA driver is good and pushing the car then i wouldnt have a problem believing this.

Silverstone seems a bit of an odd one though, as the track is pretty much a power circuit, if they are talking about the short National track then its definately possible.

Speed on track is more down to driver than car, its a confidence/experience thing.

Cars like the PUMA are very quick if you can keep the momentum going, its just like with my Sport, only 125BHP but not much can stay with it, especially when wet.

 

I don't mean any dis-respect, but some of these people on this thread must be having a giggle surely !
Fiesta, Pumas and large elephants have about as much chance of keeping up with scoob even if a stereotypical 90 year old blind granny was driving one (no disrespect 2 all u Grannies out there !!!).
Come on people lets get real, there's no escaping the fact that the only other car in the same class per cost is the EVO

Go on then HUMOUR us some more.....

 

YOUNG MAN

 

Funnily enough there was an 80 odd (guess) year old lady driving a MK1 MR2 at Goodwood - and she wasn't hangin around either !!

If I had not massive amounts more BHP she would probably have overtaken me. (Still I reckon she's had 10 times as much driving experience as me so she ought to be better

Gary