Just got pulled
06 December 2008, 11:19 PM
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Just got pulled
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Just got pulled on the way home from the petrol station the night
The traffic car followed me a good 4 miles.
Pulled me over to tell me my exhaust had no baffles and was illegal
1. It has baffles in it
2. How come it passed an MOT with it on
3. he said it was straight through and its not. Its a cat back
He said if he see's me out an about again im getting Points,fine,asbo
I havent been pulled over for years. Last time was 4 year ago in my old saxo an they did me for a noisy exhaust on the spot
Why did he let me off with a warning
Should i bother to change my exhaust OR just get one of them removeable baffles for the tip of it
Thanks
Just got pulled on the way home from the petrol station the night
The traffic car followed me a good 4 miles.
Pulled me over to tell me my exhaust had no baffles and was illegal
1. It has baffles in it
2. How come it passed an MOT with it on
3. he said it was straight through and its not. Its a cat back
He said if he see's me out an about again im getting Points,fine,asbo
I havent been pulled over for years. Last time was 4 year ago in my old saxo an they did me for a noisy exhaust on the spot
Why did he let me off with a warning
Should i bother to change my exhaust OR just get one of them removeable baffles for the tip of it
Thanks
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06 December 2008, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord Hansard - Publications and Records - Parliament
21 Oct 2008 : Column WA101
The Minister of State, Department for Transport (Lord Adonis): European-Union-type approval legislation in relation to vehicle noise is primarily concerned with ensuring that new vehicles meet specified noise limits and exhaust standards before they are permitted to enter into service. Mandatory EU-type approval requirements have been transposed into UK regulations.
Control of vehicle noise in service is governed by domestic legislation. Under regulation 54 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, as amended, alteration of the exhaust system of a vehicle so as to increase the noise made by the escape of exhaust gases is an offence. The regulation forbids both the alteration of the silencer itself so as to make the vehicle noisier and the alteration of the exhaust system (by, for instance, replacing the silencer with one of a different pattern) so as to make the vehicle noisier.
At MoT, test vehicle testers are required to fail vehicle which are excessively noisy for their type. Enforcement on public roads is carried out by the police, who are able to take action if they suspect a vehicle contravenes construction and use noise, or other, requirements. They have further powers to address noise nuisance under the Police Reform Act 2002 and the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 under which anti-social behavior orders can be served on the vehicle owner, imposing a ban from certain roads or even vehicle confiscation.
The Minister of State, Department for Transport (Lord Adonis): European-Union-type approval legislation in relation to vehicle noise is primarily concerned with ensuring that new vehicles meet specified noise limits and exhaust standards before they are permitted to enter into service. Mandatory EU-type approval requirements have been transposed into UK regulations.
Control of vehicle noise in service is governed by domestic legislation. Under regulation 54 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, as amended, alteration of the exhaust system of a vehicle so as to increase the noise made by the escape of exhaust gases is an offence. The regulation forbids both the alteration of the silencer itself so as to make the vehicle noisier and the alteration of the exhaust system (by, for instance, replacing the silencer with one of a different pattern) so as to make the vehicle noisier.
At MoT, test vehicle testers are required to fail vehicle which are excessively noisy for their type. Enforcement on public roads is carried out by the police, who are able to take action if they suspect a vehicle contravenes construction and use noise, or other, requirements. They have further powers to address noise nuisance under the Police Reform Act 2002 and the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 under which anti-social behavior orders can be served on the vehicle owner, imposing a ban from certain roads or even vehicle confiscation.
Originally Posted by Section 59 - Road Traffic Act
The Legislation:
Section 59 Police Reform Act 2002 states that -
Where an officer (PC or PCSO) has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used in a manner which contravenes
Road Traffic Act Section 3 (Careless Driving) OR Section 34 (Driving elsewhere than on a road) AND also the manner of use of the vehicle is causing or has been causing or is likely to cause, alarm distress or annoyance to members of the
public, Section 59 can be used to:-
initially give a written warning (valid for twelve months)
(commonly called a Section 59 Notice)
and on a subsequent occasion to seize the vehicle.
(it will probably end up in the crusher, or may be ransomed back to the owner) There is also a power to stop the vehicle on the road for this offence.
Section 59 Police Reform Act 2002 states that -
Where an officer (PC or PCSO) has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used in a manner which contravenes
Road Traffic Act Section 3 (Careless Driving) OR Section 34 (Driving elsewhere than on a road) AND also the manner of use of the vehicle is causing or has been causing or is likely to cause, alarm distress or annoyance to members of the
public, Section 59 can be used to:-
initially give a written warning (valid for twelve months)
(commonly called a Section 59 Notice)
and on a subsequent occasion to seize the vehicle.
(it will probably end up in the crusher, or may be ransomed back to the owner) There is also a power to stop the vehicle on the road for this offence.
06 December 2008, 11:48 PM
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i have read that mate an it doesnt mean much to me.
From what i have been readin on other forums etc its a hard one.
It should of failed the MOT if that loud..... I really dont know
Im NOT going to change it. I will buy a removeable baffle to quieten it.
I dont think i have ever heard a quiet scooby
From what i have been readin on other forums etc its a hard one.
It should of failed the MOT if that loud..... I really dont know
Im NOT going to change it. I will buy a removeable baffle to quieten it.
I dont think i have ever heard a quiet scooby
07 December 2008, 12:01 AM
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Would one of these quiten it down
These fit in the end of the tailpipe to quieten the exhaust down by re-circulating the gases and restricting the flow .
Available to fit - 3.5" - 4" - 4.5" - 5" .
(Please inform us what size when purchasing )
NOT COMPATIBLE WITH INWARD-ROLLED TAILPIPES
£33 DELIVERED
These fit in the end of the tailpipe to quieten the exhaust down by re-circulating the gases and restricting the flow .
Available to fit - 3.5" - 4" - 4.5" - 5" .
(Please inform us what size when purchasing )
NOT COMPATIBLE WITH INWARD-ROLLED TAILPIPES
£33 DELIVERED
07 December 2008, 12:40 AM
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If the car is legal don't worry about it, they will have to get it tested at an MOT station and if it passed like it is it should be fine.
I got pulled over a few nights ago in my sister's impreza (because I was being a tit) and the Police officer was brilliant. He was checking security etc and had a chat
I got pulled over a few nights ago in my sister's impreza (because I was being a tit) and the Police officer was brilliant. He was checking security etc and had a chat
07 December 2008, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Communism
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07 December 2008, 01:04 AM
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All MOT the test does is check that gases are within emissions limits and the system secure and is not leaking.
Noise levels from an MOT stance are totally subjective; a tester "could" say its excessive, but there is no defined limit nor guideline to say what is excessive or not. So with that in mind, as long as the exhaust system is in good condition, it passes.
Noise levels from a Police stance, however are different. As corradoboy has quoted. POlice have the power to pursue the matter further (i.e proove the car is noiser than it should be).
Put it this way, if you have a drain pipe as a tailpipe; you WILL be targeted. Thats is what Police look out for (hallmark of an aftermarket non "E" approved exhaust system, most of which are noisier than original and thus "excessive"). If you had a set of stock looking peashooters, it would be much less likely that you would be targeted - no matter how noisey.
Noise levels from an MOT stance are totally subjective; a tester "could" say its excessive, but there is no defined limit nor guideline to say what is excessive or not. So with that in mind, as long as the exhaust system is in good condition, it passes.
Noise levels from a Police stance, however are different. As corradoboy has quoted. POlice have the power to pursue the matter further (i.e proove the car is noiser than it should be).
Put it this way, if you have a drain pipe as a tailpipe; you WILL be targeted. Thats is what Police look out for (hallmark of an aftermarket non "E" approved exhaust system, most of which are noisier than original and thus "excessive"). If you had a set of stock looking peashooters, it would be much less likely that you would be targeted - no matter how noisey.
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07 December 2008, 01:05 AM
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It is a bit worrying because it is a grey area so to speak and if you get an arsey copper then you've no hope in the future!!!
I have had this problem as well and he said that my exhaust too had no baffles in it although if he actually looked
then clearly he could see that it has. (although it is a little loud
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The hassle is not worth it as it draws un wanted attention. Thats why I'm changing my backbox
I have had this problem as well and he said that my exhaust too had no baffles in it although if he actually looked
then clearly he could see that it has. (although it is a little loud )The hassle is not worth it as it draws un wanted attention. Thats why I'm changing my backbox
07 December 2008, 01:21 AM
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if you have a cat fitted that means the car is legal emmisions wise, so cant hand out points.
police pulled me in my st fiesta and done me for tints and loud exhaust.
they carry tester things in their cars and if its over 97db or round about that figure its too loud, worst they can do is give you a prehibition notice to not drive the car till its been changed or give u a asbo as its classed as anti social behaviour
police pulled me in my st fiesta and done me for tints and loud exhaust.
they carry tester things in their cars and if its over 97db or round about that figure its too loud, worst they can do is give you a prehibition notice to not drive the car till its been changed or give u a asbo as its classed as anti social behaviour
07 December 2008, 01:35 AM
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Leave it on mate, I'd guarantee it wouldnt be above the "Decided barrier" of the level meters they carry to measure the loudness of something. If they get arsey again theyll only tell you to have another mot and it will pass again and they wont be able to do anything
07 December 2008, 09:58 AM
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If you change the exhaust from factory fitted to aftermarket exhaust, regardless of whether it passes emissions is illegal.
Only a factory fitted system has been tested to noise and emissions standards, anything else is a grey area.
Even prodrive packs where the exhaust is altered are also considered illegal by some forces as they are done after the vehicle has left the factory, regardless of it being subaru approved..
Andy
Only a factory fitted system has been tested to noise and emissions standards, anything else is a grey area.
Even prodrive packs where the exhaust is altered are also considered illegal by some forces as they are done after the vehicle has left the factory, regardless of it being subaru approved..
Andy
07 December 2008, 11:09 AM
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Would one of these quiten it down
These fit in the end of the tailpipe to quieten the exhaust down by re-circulating the gases and restricting the flow .
Available to fit - 3.5" - 4" - 4.5" - 5" .
(Please inform us what size when purchasing )
NOT COMPATIBLE WITH INWARD-ROLLED TAILPIPES
£33 DELIVERED
These fit in the end of the tailpipe to quieten the exhaust down by re-circulating the gases and restricting the flow .
Available to fit - 3.5" - 4" - 4.5" - 5" .
(Please inform us what size when purchasing )
NOT COMPATIBLE WITH INWARD-ROLLED TAILPIPES
£33 DELIVERED
With regards is it legal I think they'd struggle to prosecute anyone as otherwise you'd only be able to get a replacement exhaust direct from the manufacturer (whichever make that was) which would surely be a monopoly?
