samcowrx

I have just been searching old threads on this very subject, without getting too deep into the subject, and the actual specifications of the car in question, why would someone choose ESL over Simtek and vice versa? just need my mind made up please!,
thanks

jayallen

iTrader: (31)

ESL = less money
Simtek = more features

So i guess it depends on what you want from an ECU.

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

To be honest, it's a bit of a silly question and I don't mean that in a disrepectuful way. It's like asking what is best a sinclair zx 81 or a PC with a quad core zeon processor and 16gb of ram lol.

In short the Simtek is far far far far superior. It has more power, more functionality and more features.

No contest IMO

172sport

iTrader: (6)

Or overkill if there not used.

samcowrx

I think that was probably the answer i was actually searching for daz, you might have seen my 20G wagon thread in projects?, i was ready to settle for an ESL, i wanted no real add on features from the ecu, but after speaking to Bob Rawle about the car, i started thinking, well in the summer the car will have a strong built 2.1 cdb in it,and probably a 321 turbo of some description, so an extra couple of hundred quid now will future proof me slightly, and at present i would like to get rid of the MAF and use Simtek and the map system with no BOV.

T5OLF

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Would have thought they would all be used, other than the optional ones like AL and LC.

samcowrx

True, i reckon launch control could be set up far too specific for conditions and surface etc, so might work one day but not the next, as for antilag i would love too have it just for the sound, but is very unlikely i would ever have it on this car!

T5OLF

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Yeah the AL is a bit of a laugh but not much else really. To be honest I would have rather saved the money and left that option off.

I'm on my 3rd gearbox now so don't really fancy the LC. The Simtek is a great ecu at the price IMO.

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

On a 2.1 forged engine? Would seem daft to go with the ESL.
The Simtek would also give lots of scope for the future. He'll soon get bored of the 20G and want more.

I thought I'd be happy when I achieved 450bhp. Needless to say I'm now chasing 600 of each

samcowrx

Wise words mate, my friend is now chasing 700+bhp in his Impreza! after doing 280, 331, and then 400bhp, decided to stop pissing about and do it properly!!


Back to the thread, Simtek it is then, at the end of the day there a lot of very good reports about it, and its only 300 quid more than the ESL, sounds like no contest to me really!

53

iTrader: (41)

Simtek is good, and from reading your thread it would be most suitable.

There are some outstanding queries which have cropped up with it, which whilst not serious I would be happy to pass on via PM.

Biggest bonus is losing the Maf IMHO.

ALS is fun at the push of a button, which I like.

Benefit of the ELS would be that it retains things like the factory settings for cold start etc.

samcowrx

hi mate, could you pm me please, cheers

dynamix

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but ... it doesnt have any knock control like using the daughterboard would have. It could save your engine.

MartynJ

No Duncan, but it does have a very visible knock warning system which the stock system doesn't have.
Knock control isn't the be all and end all, and an engine can break even with it if poorly mapped or if a problem occurs, failing pump,drop in fuel pressure etc etc.
Personally I would rather be alerted to the situation than just push on through it unaware of what was happening.
Map the car on the fuel which is readily available in your area, stick to the same boost levels, and pay attention to the warnings in place and you should never have a problem.
People have been running Motec, Autronics, Gems etc for years and never had any problems with not having knock control.

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hux309

Martyn, just wondering are simtek going to remove the need for the cable and software to be tied to that ecu only, i don't want to by a cable for just a remap.

Any other news on the pipeline, things have gone quiet for a while.

Tidgy

simple answer cost.

as said previously the cost is way way higher for the simtek, however it has more to it.

but then again y simtek over other ecu's? again cost.

solris is prob the best ecu out there even compared to a motec, however it is more expensive than the simtek, with the motec even higher cost.

your requirments and budget are the deciding factor

samcowrx

how does simtek alert the driver on knock detection?

dynamix

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It flashes the CEL light at you.

MartynJ

They have no plans to remove it at the moment, stops people using unofficial dealers to map them.
Plenty in the pipeline but nothing I can discuss as yet.