serega

So how hard would that be ?
How long would it take?
And is it really worth it in the end?

bighead

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??? are you saying you want to learn to map the motec ecu ??
best leave it to the experts me think

serega

Not very constructive : P

bighead

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sry

chocolate_o_brian

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bit like your comment on my "for sale" thread eh

for the roecord i cant answer your queries, i specialise in washing machines

subaruturbo_18

put it this way, i began a college project in looking into remapping E.C.U.'s its all about the graphing of the maps. making minor adjustments and testing. it is very very hard to do. not the sort of thing you can learn from learn direct or over the internet. plus software can be expensive, a mate and i were looking into re maping a ford E.C.U. and we found we could only use dream science software, which is 4 digit money.

so to answer you question

So how hard would that be ? most likely very hard

How long would it take? most likely a long time

And is it really worth it in the end? only if you plan to map you car so many times that it would have cost more if you got it professionally mapped, or if you were going to do it as a 'on the side' business


but if you do go ahead and learn it then good luck


how do you plan to learn anyway?

frayz

iTrader: (7)

Learning to map is mapping be it Motec or any other ECU. Its all similar software doing similar things the basics are the same.

I think as long as you have the correct monitoring equiopment such as detcans and a wideband etc you'll be fine.

Take it slow and do lots of research.

best of luck

serega

Lol, sorry choc, i just couldnt resist : )

serega

Thanks for the comments guys, was thinking of getting a manual first thing.
Since i've already got a motec installed and mapped professionally, all i need is a CAN cable for 200 quid and i can start doing my learning and testing.
So are there any manuals that i could buy or download regarding that sort of thing ? Cheers

chocolate_o_brian

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ne worries, friendly banter, i was just stressed out at the time of my reply, due to current situations. good look with the mapping thing, although i have no advice to offer besides change your underwear everyday

ZEN Performance

leave it to the experts to fully map your car. once mapped, you can begin to tweak the map for fine tuning, and changing the setup such as idle and boost control. Moving on to adjustinig the fuelling and ignition, but all of this isn't straight forward, it's less about learning software, and more about learning what's happening in the back ground. You can "map" a car using carbs and mechanical advancing distibutor, no software involved!

reano

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You can learn anything its whether it's 'worth it' I would say it's worth it only if you plan on doing it for a living. There are various courses you can go on at first like the EFI or whatever university courses in mapping. You would then need a car to map, access to a rolling road (as you don't really wanna be spending loads and loads of time on a road at those speeds). You would need to hire the rolling road, etc. Once that is done you would then begin to get a feel for your car or your type of car..... and could begin to map thoses (once you've got good experience) but then you would need to set up a business get indemity insurance, develop a reputation, premises, rolling road, software, etc.

I think anyone who is good at their job makes it look easy. I work in software (performance and security testing) and I make that look easy and get paid well for it but Ive done many years training and on the job work. The mappers are exactly the same.

So as Paul has said get it mapped first well by a professional then maybe tweak it to your desire.

Paul mapped my car and I now 'tweak' it with the AVCR boost control but thats about it as the map is fundamentally sound. I do the same with suspension with the Tein damping controller.

harvey

iTrader: (48)

Do you have existing mapping experience?
What in depth knowledge do you have of the engine operating perameters.
If not, the Motec is a fairly complicated ECU to start with. I was happy with my mapping of various Link or Apexi ECUs but the Motec is MUCH more complex as is the GEMS and Simtek.
Making a small mistake or not realising the implications of a particular action could cost you an engine and some big expense. I have watched several established and reputable mappers struggle to get their heads round particular mapping issues so I think that starting on a Motec is a VERY risky business. Choose a good professional and leave it to them as Paul says and if they will co-operate with you, the learning curve can start with observing what the ECU is doing followed by minor adjustments in selected areas but save your starting map so you can always go back to it and begin again if you screw up and have not damaged your engine.
During mapping you need to monitor lots of perameters. The more you can easily monitor the better. Wide band AFRs, Det, preferably with Detcans, EGTs, boost, fuel pressure, water and oil temps.

Good luck. Share some feed back with us when you have some practical experience.