Diesel STI?
25 February 2008, 07:25 PM
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I expext it will interest a few people, in much the same way the Ford Cougar did. Mondeo man suffering mid-life crisis wants to feel young again so thinks " I'll get a sporty little number" but he is in fact so painfully clueless he ends up with a Cougar on his drive and actually thinks his neighbours will be impressed. Put a diesel engine in any other Subaru if you like, and sell it for what it is, but the Impreza Turbo and a diesel engine is frankly missing the point.
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25 February 2008, 07:31 PM
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Many maufacturers have performance diesels, why should Subaru be any different? A performance diesel will appeal to a bigger audience than a thirsty £400 tax per year petrol equivalent. 7 secs 0-60 and 140mph is plenty of performance for most. Add this to more acceptable MPG and I think many will be interested.
25 February 2008, 09:08 PM
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i would'nt knock it just yet,there are some fine performance diesels out there.i read a review lately of the legacy diesel and it was rated very highly.still has the flat four burble,all be it with a bit of clatter mixed in
who knows in a few years we might be seeing hibrid turbo's and exhausts for the sti diesel and the likes of bob rawle mapping it to insane torque levels
who knows in a few years we might be seeing hibrid turbo's and exhausts for the sti diesel and the likes of bob rawle mapping it to insane torque levels
25 February 2008, 09:22 PM
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Whether they have performance or not, the way diesels deliver their performance is dull as dishwater. I will accept that this is why the so-called sporty diesel variants of cars such as the Leon or the Golf are so popular because they make 'Joe Average' driver feel so much more capable than he really is, but no oil burner can offer the kind of power delivery that gives you the 'feel' you need when pushing on.
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25 February 2008, 09:30 PM
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Whether they have performance or not, the way diesels deliver their performance is dull as dishwater. I will accept that this is why the so-called sporty diesel variants of cars such as the Leon or the Golf are so popular because they make 'Joe Average' driver feel so much more capable than he really is, but no oil burner can offer the kind of power delivery that gives you the 'feel' you need when pushing on.
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0-60 in 7 seconds is pretty good for a TDi though.
25 February 2008, 09:31 PM
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to right 
and if they ever come out with a flat 6 diesel that really will fire the imagination i reckon.
and if they ever come out with a flat 6 diesel that really will fire the imagination i reckon.
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25 February 2008, 09:35 PM
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Oh ffs whats happennin to this site this evening its slower than a slow thing walking backwords thro a field of treacle 
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26 February 2008, 12:56 PM
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26 February 2008, 01:21 PM
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It's all very well people saying they will never buy a diesel, but as the price of petrol rises and our roads become more congested the case for a good looking economical car will become irrisistable. We have already reached the point where if you do about 20,000 imiles a year it costs as much to run a £20k performance car as it does to buy it. That balance will continue to tip in favour of economy and as it does the grim reality of running a car whose performance is inaccessible most of the time will really hit home. When reading the posts on this forum it is clear that a lot of members are not higher rate tax payers. For them a couple of grand a year saved on petrol will make a huge difference to their lifestyle. The rise of the diesel is unstoppable and the sooner everyone realises it the better it will be all round.
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26 February 2008, 01:21 PM
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Diesel technology has come on leaps and bounds in recent years, so I am sure it will sell. That said the quoted performance figures will make them juicy targets for baiting by any other turbocharged Impreza driver! Just watch them disappear in a cloud of dirty black smoke in your rear view mirror!
26 February 2008, 01:24 PM
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[QUOTE=Blueblaster;7687429]The rise of the diesel is unstoppable and the sooner everyone realises it the better it will be all round.
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Why? What will be better all round if we have more diesels?
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Why? What will be better all round if we have more diesels?
26 February 2008, 01:47 PM
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[QUOTE=Turbo2;7687436]A healthier planet and a lot more money in your pocket. Admittedly this is not a terribly fashionable statement to make on Scoobynet, where people are encouraged to spend their last penny on their car and laugh in the face of the environment. However, in the real world, where bills must be paid and the planet protected they are of prime importance. Not sexy. Not funny. Just fact.
26 February 2008, 04:23 PM
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[quote=Blueblaster;7687495]
A healthier planet and a lot more money in your pocket. Admittedly this is not a terribly fashionable statement to make on Scoobynet, where people are encouraged to spend their last penny on their car and laugh in the face of the environment. However, in the real world, where bills must be paid and the planet protected they are of prime importance. Not sexy. Not funny. Just fact.
If everyone switches to diesels. The tax will go up and you will end up paying the same anyway. The government has to claw back the lost revenue somehow.
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A healthier planet and a lot more money in your pocket. Admittedly this is not a terribly fashionable statement to make on Scoobynet, where people are encouraged to spend their last penny on their car and laugh in the face of the environment. However, in the real world, where bills must be paid and the planet protected they are of prime importance. Not sexy. Not funny. Just fact.
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26 February 2008, 04:51 PM
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True up to a point, however, the switch to diesel would be gradual and the tax change would be gradual. In the interim the average performance car driver would save tens of thousands in running costs. The price of diesel would never be taxed to fully offset the full cost saving because it would destroy the economy. All deliveries carried on diesel lorries/vans would become much more expensive. This cost would be passed onto the consumer in the form of higher prices which would cause inflation to rise and put upward pressure on wages and the spiral would begin. With an already heavy tax burden the UK would be forced to raise interest rates to control inflation which would lead to less investment, home reposessions and a strengthening of the Pound that would plunge the UK into a recession from which it would probably never recover. So in order to recoup lost tax revenues from a total switch to diesel the government would have to raise other taxes and you could adjust your lifestyle to minimise the level at which you are affected.
Economics is good fun isn't it. Can we have an economics forum?
Economics is good fun isn't it. Can we have an economics forum?
26 February 2008, 05:00 PM
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Just to say that I only seem to post boring practical stuff. I don't intend to drag the forum into a pit of misery, but me being boring might just prevent someone making a silly financial mistake from which it takes them ages to recover. Being able to enjoy motoring longterm means driving something you can afford. A lot of people will be able to enjoy driving the new Scoob now there is a diesel option and that has to be a good thing.
26 February 2008, 05:08 PM
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True up to a point, however, the switch to diesel would be gradual and the tax change would be gradual. In the interim the average performance car driver would save tens of thousands in running costs. The price of diesel would never be taxed to fully offset the full cost saving because it would destroy the economy. All deliveries carried on diesel lorries/vans would become much more expensive. This cost would be passed onto the consumer in the form of higher prices which would cause inflation to rise and put upward pressure on wages and the spiral would begin. With an already heavy tax burden the UK would be forced to raise interest rates to control inflation which would lead to less investment, home reposessions and a strengthening of the Pound that would plunge the UK into a recession from which it would probably never recover. So in order to recoup lost tax revenues from a total switch to diesel the government would have to raise other taxes and you could adjust your lifestyle to minimise the level at which you are affected.
Economics is good fun isn't it. Can we have an economics forum?
So let's get this straight then - the whole future of the entire British economy depends on the tax rate levied by the government on diesel 
True up to a point, however, the switch to diesel would be gradual and the tax change would be gradual. In the interim the average performance car driver would save tens of thousands in running costs. The price of diesel would never be taxed to fully offset the full cost saving because it would destroy the economy. All deliveries carried on diesel lorries/vans would become much more expensive. This cost would be passed onto the consumer in the form of higher prices which would cause inflation to rise and put upward pressure on wages and the spiral would begin. With an already heavy tax burden the UK would be forced to raise interest rates to control inflation which would lead to less investment, home reposessions and a strengthening of the Pound that would plunge the UK into a recession from which it would probably never recover. So in order to recoup lost tax revenues from a total switch to diesel the government would have to raise other taxes and you could adjust your lifestyle to minimise the level at which you are affected.
Economics is good fun isn't it. Can we have an economics forum?
26 February 2008, 05:10 PM
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Just to say that I only seem to post boring practical stuff. I don't intend to drag the forum into a pit of misery, but me being boring might just prevent someone making a silly financial mistake from which it takes them ages to recover. Being able to enjoy motoring longterm means driving something you can afford. A lot of people will be able to enjoy driving the new Scoob now there is a diesel option and that has to be a good thing.
26 February 2008, 05:14 PM
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[QUOTE=lunar tick;7687976]If the tax rate is high enough then, yes. If you're having trouble sleeping read some of the reports on how the global economy will collapse if we don't find a replacement for fossil fuels before they start to run out. It is the same principle. The economy is more finely balanced than you would believe and a massive shock like a sudden large increase in the price of diesel would destabilise it.
26 February 2008, 05:22 PM
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If the tax rate is high enough then, yes. If you're having trouble sleeping read some of the reports on how the global economy will collapse if we don't find a replacement for fossil fuels before they start to run out. It is the same principle. The economy is more finely balanced than you would believe and a massive shock like a sudden large increase in the price of diesel would destabilise it.
Just pulling your leg matey You raise some good points. Personally, I think that the enxt 5-10 years are the last where all but the very richest British citizens will be able to enjoy motoring as we currently understand. It's not just fuel prices; fun cars will be legislated off the road; every movement you make will eventually be tracked by Big Brother. Most roads will be 100% congested and those that aren't will be road priced and monitored for every movement that takes place on them and linked to the national identity card database. The really sad thing is that the great British public will go along with it meekly and compliantly, like lambs to the slaughter...
If the tax rate is high enough then, yes. If you're having trouble sleeping read some of the reports on how the global economy will collapse if we don't find a replacement for fossil fuels before they start to run out. It is the same principle. The economy is more finely balanced than you would believe and a massive shock like a sudden large increase in the price of diesel would destabilise it.
You raise some good points. Personally, I think that the enxt 5-10 years are the last where all but the very richest British citizens will be able to enjoy motoring as we currently understand. It's not just fuel prices; fun cars will be legislated off the road; every movement you make will eventually be tracked by Big Brother. Most roads will be 100% congested and those that aren't will be road priced and monitored for every movement that takes place on them and linked to the national identity card database. The really sad thing is that the great British public will go along with it meekly and compliantly, like lambs to the slaughter...