Is it as illegal to smoke in a car as it is to use a mobile phone?
23 January 2002, 12:49 PM
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Subject line says it all.
Surely the act of lighting up and extinguishing a *** is a distracting and dangerous as trying to press buttons on a mobile phone?
How can one be frowned upon, and not the other?
Also, how do smokers cope with emergency situations if a *** is in the hand? Drivers need BOTH hands for proper control - surely if a *** is in the hand, it restricts 100% proper operation?
Surely the act of lighting up and extinguishing a *** is a distracting and dangerous as trying to press buttons on a mobile phone?
How can one be frowned upon, and not the other?
Also, how do smokers cope with emergency situations if a *** is in the hand? Drivers need BOTH hands for proper control - surely if a *** is in the hand, it restricts 100% proper operation?
23 January 2002, 12:59 PM
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Is mobile phone use actually illegal now?
I thought it was strongly disapproved of by the police (with the threat of potentially being done for driving without due care and attention.)
Hardly use my phone anyway...
Rich
I thought it was strongly disapproved of by the police (with the threat of potentially being done for driving without due care and attention.)
Hardly use my phone anyway...
Rich
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23 January 2002, 01:10 PM
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Look how many people use mobiles when driving. Then look how slooooow they drive, and how they aren't in proper control.
Smoking and driving is a skilled art, but it should never be illegal to do that. Surely moving one hand off the wheel to adjust your heaters is the same.
Smoking and driving is a skilled art, but it should never be illegal to do that. Surely moving one hand off the wheel to adjust your heaters is the same.
23 January 2002, 01:14 PM
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As discussed in another thread..
Miller admitted to having to pull over before banging one out, very considerate me thinks.
This has been done to death, if you search you should find some stuff.
It doesn't take anywhere near the thought process to smoke a cigarrette as it does to hold a conversation where you are constantly thinking about what the other person is saying and what you are about to say... IMHO and only MHO
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Miller admitted to having to pull over before banging one out, very considerate me thinks.
This has been done to death, if you search you should find some stuff.
It doesn't take anywhere near the thought process to smoke a cigarrette as it does to hold a conversation where you are constantly thinking about what the other person is saying and what you are about to say... IMHO and only MHO
Alex
23 January 2002, 01:15 PM
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This is a whole hornets nest you have stirred up you little tinker.
Using a mobile phone hands free is still legal although i understand plans are afoot to ban it.
Things to think about if we are talking about drivers concentration/ due car and attyention.
Smoking - must be banned then
Drinking/eating - ditto
Using your rear view mirror whilst on the move Hmmmm.
operating ICE
Sneezing/coughing - Perhaps we should not drive whe n we have a virus, colds or hayfever!
[Edited by Paul Habgood - 1/23/2002 1:17:29 PM]
Using a mobile phone hands free is still legal although i understand plans are afoot to ban it.
Things to think about if we are talking about drivers concentration/ due car and attyention.
Smoking - must be banned then
Drinking/eating - ditto
Using your rear view mirror whilst on the move Hmmmm.
operating ICE
Sneezing/coughing - Perhaps we should not drive whe n we have a virus, colds or hayfever!
[Edited by Paul Habgood - 1/23/2002 1:17:29 PM]
23 January 2002, 01:16 PM
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I'm surprised people feel the need to argue on this one. I'm sure we've all seen the way people are totally distracted when using a phone whilst driving. When people smoke I don't think there concentrating on the cigarette!
Lunchie
P.S. A mate of mined was stopped for eating an ice cream while driving. Serves him right the messy bugger
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P.S. A mate of mined was stopped for eating an ice cream while driving. Serves him right the messy bugger
23 January 2002, 01:19 PM
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Eatting and drinking is illegal... even at traffic lights apparently... but I can drink a can of coke for example more safely than using a mobile or changing CD...
Smoking doesn't seem to be although it is illegal to ride a motorcycle and smoke. Which seems a bit more logical.. although I have seen someone with cig resting and melting part of the helmet whilst riding but he was a kn0b...
Smoking doesn't seem to be although it is illegal to ride a motorcycle and smoke. Which seems a bit more logical.. although I have seen someone with cig resting and melting part of the helmet whilst riding but he was a kn0b...
23 January 2002, 01:30 PM
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It doesn't take anywhere near the thought process to smoke a cigarrette as it does to hold a conversation where you are constantly thinking about what the other person is saying and what you are about to say
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Does that apply to talking to passengers as well?
It doesn't take anywhere near the thought process to smoke a cigarrette as it does to hold a conversation where you are constantly thinking about what the other person is saying and what you are about to say
/snip
Does that apply to talking to passengers as well?
23 January 2002, 01:33 PM
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eating / drinking / phoning - can get done for any of these and rightly so. Maybe the difference with a *** is that you can still use both hands to drive your car.
Also, I guess you don't have to actually look at the *** lighter to operate it, unlike dialing a phone.
How many sh1theads do you see on the wrong side of the road / meandering across lanes at roundabouts etc. cos they are on the phopne and can't change gear etc. so have to cut corners or whatever.
Offenders should be shot!!!
:-)
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[Edited by juan - 1/23/2002 1:36:45 PM]
Also, I guess you don't have to actually look at the *** lighter to operate it, unlike dialing a phone.
How many sh1theads do you see on the wrong side of the road / meandering across lanes at roundabouts etc. cos they are on the phopne and can't change gear etc. so have to cut corners or whatever.
Offenders should be shot!!!
:-)
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[Edited by juan - 1/23/2002 1:36:45 PM]
23 January 2002, 01:46 PM
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Put it another way - would you be annoyed if your aeroplane pilot was smoking a *** at take off or landing?
Would you not think "he shouldn't be doing that - that's dangerous and his mind cannot be on the job"
Why is a car any different?
Would you not think "he shouldn't be doing that - that's dangerous and his mind cannot be on the job"
Why is a car any different?
23 January 2002, 01:58 PM
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There is also the problem of dropping a cig... drop a sandwich or mobile and less urgent to pick it up..
But I can see that someone experianced with cig smoking could probably drive safely whilst doing so. Interesting to know if it is illegal though.
You might get muddled up Jason, burn your ear on the cig and throw your phone out the window...
wonder if a cig or a phone would be worst when on the bike following you? 
But I can see that someone experianced with cig smoking could probably drive safely whilst doing so. Interesting to know if it is illegal though.
You might get muddled up Jason, burn your ear on the cig and throw your phone out the window...
wonder if a cig or a phone would be worst when on the bike following you?
23 January 2002, 02:05 PM
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Fastbloke - sshhh... my other half reads this board, and I use this excuse to have complete peace and tranquility whilst in the car, she's not allowed to speak while I drive!
23 January 2002, 02:07 PM
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Agreed Fast Bloke
Hands free set with voice activated dialing is the same as a conversation with a passenger.
But a few months ago I posted about a woman travelled beside in rush hour traffic on the M6. For half an hour if she wasn't in a conversation on her mobile, she was brushing her hair, putting on lipstick, doing er nails or drinking from a 1lt bottle of water.
As a result she was drifting from her lane and totally oblivious to all around her. Conclusion, anything women choose to do whilst behind the wheel has absolutely no effect on their driving.
Hands free set with voice activated dialing is the same as a conversation with a passenger.
But a few months ago I posted about a woman travelled beside in rush hour traffic on the M6. For half an hour if she wasn't in a conversation on her mobile, she was brushing her hair, putting on lipstick, doing er nails or drinking from a 1lt bottle of water.
As a result she was drifting from her lane and totally oblivious to all around her. Conclusion, anything women choose to do whilst behind the wheel has absolutely no effect on their driving.
23 January 2002, 02:18 PM
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This has been done to death, if you search you should find some stuff
I think changing CD's should be made illegal while you are driving. Even if there hasn't been an accident yet, it's only a matter of time before someone loses control when they climb into the boot to get to the autochanger
23 January 2002, 02:23 PM
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Isn't the "interpretted" law...
Anything that the driver does that may distract him from safely operating his vehicle can be construed as "Driving without due care & attention".
Arguable for certain things I'm sure but depends if plod wants to lay the letter of the law,not the spirit.
Besides, if I could prove that the person who crashed into me was lighting a *** when it happened, I would be more likely to win the case.
Anything that the driver does that may distract him from safely operating his vehicle can be construed as "Driving without due care & attention".
Arguable for certain things I'm sure but depends if plod wants to lay the letter of the law,not the spirit.
Besides, if I could prove that the person who crashed into me was lighting a *** when it happened, I would be more likely to win the case.
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