Ecutek / Gems / Open S / Mocom / Simtek .... sorrrrrry....
05 February 2008, 10:36 PM
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Ecutek / Gems / Open S / Mocom / Simtek .... sorrrrrry....
Sorry to ask but after 2 hours of searching (just tonight lots before) I'm finally giving up and asking.
WTF is the difference ?!?!
I'm assuming all of these adjust the standard ECU setting in some way ... so do some have more feature than others ?? I just don't get it.
Everyone seems to talk about the Ecutek but the Gems seems ok ... and then there's Mocoms remap which looks good ... and then there's open source .. etc etc
FK SAKE I JUST DONT GET IT
Please can someone give a numpty a breakdown of the different options (its not about the money just features/performance/reliability and I dont mind going back to get it remapped as and when needed, I'll never be touching it so happy to go to reputable mapper)
My car is a 2006 STI PPP ...
Head hurting please help !! ....paracetamol already administered...
Cheers
WTF is the difference ?!?!
I'm assuming all of these adjust the standard ECU setting in some way ... so do some have more feature than others ?? I just don't get it.
Everyone seems to talk about the Ecutek but the Gems seems ok ... and then there's Mocoms remap which looks good ... and then there's open source .. etc etc
FK SAKE I JUST DONT GET IT
Please can someone give a numpty a breakdown of the different options (its not about the money just features/performance/reliability and I dont mind going back to get it remapped as and when needed, I'll never be touching it so happy to go to reputable mapper)
My car is a 2006 STI PPP ...
Head hurting please help !! ....paracetamol already administered...
Cheers
05 February 2008, 11:05 PM
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I appreciate they are good .... but I don't "get" why that's better than any other options.... unless it's just down to the tuners preferance?!? .. .
05 February 2008, 11:09 PM
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I think it depends what you want really.
ECUTEK is a cheaper alternative to standalone, which is what GEMS/SIMTEK/MOTEC/AUTRONIC Etc.... are.
ECUTEK utilises your normal ECU and costs around £600. Tweaks after that are around £100-150, it is the perfect choice for a fast road car and standalone is not really needed unless you wish to utilise some of the extra options they may have. i.e antilag, launch control etc....
Most people who can opt for the the ECUTEK just go with that...
ECUTEK is a cheaper alternative to standalone, which is what GEMS/SIMTEK/MOTEC/AUTRONIC Etc.... are.
ECUTEK utilises your normal ECU and costs around £600. Tweaks after that are around £100-150, it is the perfect choice for a fast road car and standalone is not really needed unless you wish to utilise some of the extra options they may have. i.e antilag, launch control etc....
Most people who can opt for the the ECUTEK just go with that...
05 February 2008, 11:11 PM
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Hi Pants
Your Ecutek and Mocom mapping are programs (maps) which are installed on your existing ECU on the car. They are unlocking programs which give the user the chance to make adjustments to the factory ECU.
Gems, Simtek, Motec, Autronic etc are complete replacement ECUs which have bigger proccessors and more parameters/functions to control what is going on in your engine to a greater degree. These types of ECU are mainly used for competition vehicles or vehicles needing to control complex engine modifications ie water injection, anti lag, launch control etc on big power cars.
Think of it as removing your PC's pentium one and replacing it with a pentium five.
Wether or not you need to switch to one of these management systems is determined on how far you are planning to take your tuning mods. For the majority Ecutek and Mocom etc mapping can support your car up to around 400hp mark, so other than that, a re-map using one of these programs will be just fine for you. All Subaru tuners will be able to re-map your car in house on a rolling road or have access to people that they contract out to do re-mapping on the road. Please dont ask about the difference between Rolling road mapping and Real time Road mapping
Hope that has explained your query
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Your Ecutek and Mocom mapping are programs (maps) which are installed on your existing ECU on the car. They are unlocking programs which give the user the chance to make adjustments to the factory ECU.
Gems, Simtek, Motec, Autronic etc are complete replacement ECUs which have bigger proccessors and more parameters/functions to control what is going on in your engine to a greater degree. These types of ECU are mainly used for competition vehicles or vehicles needing to control complex engine modifications ie water injection, anti lag, launch control etc on big power cars.
Think of it as removing your PC's pentium one and replacing it with a pentium five.
Wether or not you need to switch to one of these management systems is determined on how far you are planning to take your tuning mods. For the majority Ecutek and Mocom etc mapping can support your car up to around 400hp mark, so other than that, a re-map using one of these programs will be just fine for you. All Subaru tuners will be able to re-map your car in house on a rolling road or have access to people that they contract out to do re-mapping on the road. Please dont ask about the difference between Rolling road mapping and Real time Road mapping
Hope that has explained your query
Rich
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05 February 2008, 11:22 PM
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Almost ....
on JGMs website ..... (feel free to jump in here m8) ... the GEMS option seems cheaper than ecutek
www.JollyGreenMonster.com - Engine management specialist
we thinking this is not the case ????
and.... assuming I just need the ecu reprogramming whats the difference between ecutek/mocom and open source .... I'm assuming they can all only remap the same stuff??
05 February 2008, 11:24 PM
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cowbit ....... theres's only a road and pub in the entire village .... easy to find then 
Wisbech is the capital of the fens has no-one told you !!! .... mind you would you want to leave you nice car outside for the chavs to thieve.... maybe not then .. !!!
Wisbech is the capital of the fens has no-one told you !!! .... mind you would you want to leave you nice car outside for the chavs to thieve.... maybe not then .. !!!
05 February 2008, 11:30 PM
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haha I wont ask read loads about that ... both seems to be the order of the day there but anyways moving on swiftly ......
Almost ....
on JGMs website ..... (feel free to jump in here m8) ... the GEMS option seems cheaper than ecutek
www.JollyGreenMonster.com - Engine management specialist
we thinking this is not the case ????
and.... assuming I just need the ecu reprogramming whats the difference between ecutek/mocom and open source .... I'm assuming they can all only remap the same stuff??
Almost ....
on JGMs website ..... (feel free to jump in here m8) ... the GEMS option seems cheaper than ecutek
www.JollyGreenMonster.com - Engine management specialist
we thinking this is not the case ????
and.... assuming I just need the ecu reprogramming whats the difference between ecutek/mocom and open source .... I'm assuming they can all only remap the same stuff??
ECUTEK/Opensource are both remaps of the standard ecu, where files are loaded onto the ecu to adjust the settings. Some mappers prefer Opensource and some prefer ECUTEK. ECUTEK is probably a slightly more popular choice on the whole...
05 February 2008, 11:30 PM
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haha I wont ask read loads about that ... both seems to be the order of the day there but anyways moving on swiftly ......
Almost ....
on JGMs website ..... (feel free to jump in here m8) ... the GEMS option seems cheaper than ecutek
www.JollyGreenMonster.com - Engine management specialist
we thinking this is not the case ????
and.... assuming I just need the ecu reprogramming whats the difference between ecutek/mocom and open source .... I'm assuming they can all only remap the same stuff??
Almost ....
on JGMs website ..... (feel free to jump in here m8) ... the GEMS option seems cheaper than ecutek
www.JollyGreenMonster.com - Engine management specialist
we thinking this is not the case ????
and.... assuming I just need the ecu reprogramming whats the difference between ecutek/mocom and open source .... I'm assuming they can all only remap the same stuff??
****CAUTION IDIOT ALERT****
small print now read on JGMs site .... I'm guessing pricing is based on you already having a GEMs unit .. ?? ?
05 February 2008, 11:33 PM
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WHY - is it more popular and who is good that uses open source and why doesn't everyone ??? What can the ecutek do that the others can't. I dont mind paying but obviously it's gotta be worth it not just "because" if you know where I'm coming from.
05 February 2008, 11:33 PM
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The price on mapping a GEMS ecu on JGM's website is AFTER it has been installed already at a cost of over a grand.
Mocom have their own mapping programs which is very similar to Ecutek mapping, the difference is in purchasing the licence ie Mocom's is cheaper. Mocom are very good at what they do and you cant go far wrong.
Hows that???
Rich
Mocom have their own mapping programs which is very similar to Ecutek mapping, the difference is in purchasing the licence ie Mocom's is cheaper. Mocom are very good at what they do and you cant go far wrong.
Hows that???
Rich
05 February 2008, 11:47 PM
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I typed fast but you beat me to it !!!
Thats the bit I don't get
WHY - is it more popular and who is good that uses open source and why doesn't everyone ??? What can the ecutek do that the others can't. I dont mind paying but obviously it's gotta be worth it not just "because" if you know where I'm coming from.
Thats the bit I don't get
WHY - is it more popular and who is good that uses open source and why doesn't everyone ??? What can the ecutek do that the others can't. I dont mind paying but obviously it's gotta be worth it not just "because" if you know where I'm coming from.
Opensource/Mocom have only been introduced commercially recently, whereas most "tuners" have adopted ECUTEK as the "tried and tested" method.
Check the below thread, some interesting info for you on the both:
https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...have-done.html
05 February 2008, 11:48 PM
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The price on mapping a GEMS ecu on JGM's website is AFTER it has been installed already at a cost of over a grand.
Mocom have their own mapping programs which is very similar to Ecutek mapping, the difference is in purchasing the licence ie Mocom's is cheaper. Mocom are very good at what they do and you cant go far wrong.
Hows that???
Rich
Mocom have their own mapping programs which is very similar to Ecutek mapping, the difference is in purchasing the licence ie Mocom's is cheaper. Mocom are very good at what they do and you cant go far wrong.
Hows that???
Rich
Thats the confusion bit ...... what doesnt the ecutek do that mocom or anyothers cant
05 February 2008, 11:58 PM
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been reading that linked thread and that seems to explain it ... FK all difference just someone wants a big licensing fee which is fair enough if they offer more for more money .. in this case they don't seem to .. not against mocom anyway.
06 February 2008, 12:05 AM
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They both just flash the standard ECU, both datalog, both adjust fuelling/timing/boost etc... The bigger tuners just prefer ECUTEK.... Opensource was allegedly a hacked program that was released widely so anyone can get hold of it, therefore allowing anyone to offer a"cheap" remap and with unknown quantities there is a chance of trouble...
With the ECUTEK there is a little exclusivity, as only "tuners" will spend the ££ and get the software etc... to use it.
However Mocom are excellent so you would not go wrong in going with them, everyone knows they know what they are doing, and just remapping the ecu via a cheaper method. For your application there will be no difference in using either one...
06 February 2008, 12:32 AM
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A hawkeye 2006 PPP car cannot be mapped with anything but ecutek software. An early 2006 blobeye PPP might be open source mappable, but it would depend on exaclty when it was PPP upgraded. This is because Prodrive use Ecutek tools to reprogram the ECU for the PPP upgrade, and the Ecutek flash tool installs a proprietry flash code that isn't compatible with the open source flash tools.
If you're thinking of going to Essex for your remap, stop in at wellingborough along the way, just down the 605...
If you're thinking of going to Essex for your remap, stop in at wellingborough along the way, just down the 605...
06 February 2008, 12:40 AM
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Id give Mocom a call anyway... im sure Zak has the software to map your car.
Nothing to lose other than the price of a phone call to a very knoledgeable and helpful chap
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