17" Rays STI 10 Spoke wheels, What are they worth??
27 July 2007, 01:07 PM
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17" Rays STI 10 Spoke wheels, What are they worth??
I bought a set of wheels with the intention of using them as track wheels but when I picked them up I realised they weren't the normal run of the mill STI wheels.
They are a set of 17" forged Ray STI 10 spoke wheels, They have "STI" moulded on one of the spokes and have "Subaru" "Technica" "International" stamped between three of the other spokes and "Forged" between another. They also have carbon fiber centre caps with Subaru Technica International and RAYs.
These are ginune items and weigh next to nothing
I believe these came standard on S202's, I've found them on Gruppe s's website for $650 each so with shipping and tax+vat they work out around £1900 a set.
These are being refurbed at the moment, They have been bead blasted and with the powder coaters as we speek. This is costing around £400 for the refurb.
So what are they worth, Do I sell or keep???
They are a set of 17" forged Ray STI 10 spoke wheels, They have "STI" moulded on one of the spokes and have "Subaru" "Technica" "International" stamped between three of the other spokes and "Forged" between another. They also have carbon fiber centre caps with Subaru Technica International and RAYs.
These are ginune items and weigh next to nothing
I believe these came standard on S202's, I've found them on Gruppe s's website for $650 each so with shipping and tax+vat they work out around £1900 a set.
These are being refurbed at the moment, They have been bead blasted and with the powder coaters as we speek. This is costing around £400 for the refurb.
So what are they worth, Do I sell or keep???
27 July 2007, 02:05 PM
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£400 for a refurb 
.............don't know about the wheels but thats worth going elsewhere.
Defo keep though as they will only go up in value IMHO
.............don't know about the wheels but thats worth going elsewhere.Defo keep though as they will only go up in value IMHO
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27 July 2007, 02:15 PM
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sell them to me 
Keep them, pay for the refurb (else £400 is loads should be closer to £50ea), and make everyone jealous
Keep them, pay for the refurb (else £400 is loads should be closer to £50ea), and make everyone jealous
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27 July 2007, 02:58 PM
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You'll be surprised how much it cost to get things done properly, simply painting on top of old paint is not the right way to go. I could of got them painted for £25 a corner but if your going to do something you may as well have it done right once rather than loads of times on the cheap
It's cost £25 per wheel to bead blast, This was done in three processes to ensure they were perfectly clean and free of any rubbish but ensuring the base metal wasn't damaged.
Colour matching the metalic bronze isn't cheap due to the price of the powder coating paint and the minimum you have to order.
I was quoted £70+Vat a wheel elsewhere to have them dipped, sand blasted, primed, coloured and top coat by a wheel refurb company. But powder coating is a far better finish which stands up to salt and it won't fade due to Uv etc
Anyhow back to the question.
How much are they worth??
It's cost £25 per wheel to bead blast, This was done in three processes to ensure they were perfectly clean and free of any rubbish but ensuring the base metal wasn't damaged.
Colour matching the metalic bronze isn't cheap due to the price of the powder coating paint and the minimum you have to order.
I was quoted £70+Vat a wheel elsewhere to have them dipped, sand blasted, primed, coloured and top coat by a wheel refurb company. But powder coating is a far better finish which stands up to salt and it won't fade due to Uv etc
Anyhow back to the question.
How much are they worth??
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You'll be surprised how much it cost to get things done properly, simply painting on top of old paint is not the right way to go. I could of got them painted for £25 a corner but if your going to do something you may as well have it done right once rather than loads of times on the cheap
It's cost £25 per wheel to bead blast, This was done in three processes to ensure they were perfectly clean and free of any rubbish but ensuring the base metal wasn't damaged.
Colour matching the metalic bronze isn't cheap due to the price of the powder coating paint and the minimum you have to order.
I was quoted £70+Vat a wheel elsewhere to have them dipped, sand blasted, primed, coloured and top coat by a wheel refurb company. But powder coating is a far better finish which stands up to salt and it won't fade due to Uv etc
Anyhow back to the question.
How much are they worth??
It's cost £25 per wheel to bead blast, This was done in three processes to ensure they were perfectly clean and free of any rubbish but ensuring the base metal wasn't damaged.
Colour matching the metalic bronze isn't cheap due to the price of the powder coating paint and the minimum you have to order.
I was quoted £70+Vat a wheel elsewhere to have them dipped, sand blasted, primed, coloured and top coat by a wheel refurb company. But powder coating is a far better finish which stands up to salt and it won't fade due to Uv etc
Anyhow back to the question.
How much are they worth??
what colour have they been refurbished, thats also got to have a bearing on their value?
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27 July 2007, 07:45 PM
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£100 a wheel is to much IMO, approx £30-50 is the average, thats the full ish as well not just painted.
Nice wheels though, if you want to sell them i would be interested,good luck whatever you decide.
Mac
Nice wheels though, if you want to sell them i would be interested,good luck whatever you decide.
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Yeah, I was quoted £35 a corner to blast and powder coat. More for paint match, that was £40 a corner.
Cannot comment on quality, car was written off before I got back to them to do it
Oh well.
Cannot comment on quality, car was written off before I got back to them to do it
Oh well.
28 July 2007, 07:10 AM
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yep they look like genuine S202 wheels to me if they are the same as the picture mate and very rare/valuable
If you get them painted the same colour will you let me know the paint code.
thanks
and very rare/valuableIf you get them painted the same colour will you let me know the paint code.
thanks
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Can we get back on to the topic of how much they are worth post refurbed.
As I've said they have already been bead blasted and they are with the powder coaters at the moment, So there is no point asking for them to be sold to you without the refurb.
I've paid for a quality refurb not some cheap £25-£35 back street job that won't last a winter, I could have them done at the local paint shop but these are quality wheels that deserve the job doing right.
Please no more comments about how cheap you can get a refurb, it's not really on topic!!!
Rob,
I'll bring one down to the next meet so you can have a good look see
I'm open to offers, I'll get some pictures up once I've picked them up from the powder coaters
As I've said they have already been bead blasted and they are with the powder coaters at the moment, So there is no point asking for them to be sold to you without the refurb.
I've paid for a quality refurb not some cheap £25-£35 back street job that won't last a winter, I could have them done at the local paint shop but these are quality wheels that deserve the job doing right.
Please no more comments about how cheap you can get a refurb, it's not really on topic!!!
Rob,
I'll bring one down to the next meet so you can have a good look see
I'm open to offers, I'll get some pictures up once I've picked them up from the powder coaters
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You'll be surprised how much it cost to get things done properly, simply painting on top of old paint is not the right way to go. I could of got them painted for £25 a corner but if your going to do something you may as well have it done right once rather than loads of times on the cheap
It's cost £25 per wheel to bead blast, This was done in three processes to ensure they were perfectly clean and free of any rubbish but ensuring the base metal wasn't damaged.
Colour matching the metalic bronze isn't cheap due to the price of the powder coating paint and the minimum you have to order.
I was quoted £70+Vat a wheel elsewhere to have them dipped, sand blasted, primed, coloured and top coat by a wheel refurb company. But powder coating is a far better finish which stands up to salt and it won't fade due to Uv etc
Anyhow back to the question.
How much are they worth??
It's cost £25 per wheel to bead blast, This was done in three processes to ensure they were perfectly clean and free of any rubbish but ensuring the base metal wasn't damaged.
Colour matching the metalic bronze isn't cheap due to the price of the powder coating paint and the minimum you have to order.
I was quoted £70+Vat a wheel elsewhere to have them dipped, sand blasted, primed, coloured and top coat by a wheel refurb company. But powder coating is a far better finish which stands up to salt and it won't fade due to Uv etc
Anyhow back to the question.
How much are they worth??
Andi
29 July 2007, 11:02 AM
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Complaint
RM Coatings Ltd objected to a national press ad for a wheel refurbishment company. Text stated " ... POWDER COATING ALLOYS We do not powder coat alloy wheels as this can cause serious stress damage to the alloys, which can result in cracks and buckles to the alloy as they become very brittle, therefore we do not recommend this type of refurbishment for your wheels. We apply manufacturers finish through all our refurbishment process ... N.B. For safety reasons do not have your wheels powder coated". The complainants challenged whether the ad was misleading, because they believed it exaggerated the likelihood of alloy wheels being damaged by powder coating processes.
Codes section: 3.1, 7.1, 20.1
Adjudication
Complaint upheld
Wheel Services said the powder coating process took approximately 60 minutes and, during that time, wheels were subjected to temperatures of 200 to 210 degrees Celsius; they said the process caused alloy wheels to expand and contract and therefore subjected the wheel to structural damage. Wheel Services submitted photographs that they believed showed damage to an alloy wheel at temperatures of 149 degrees Celsius. They asserted that powder coating damaged alloy wheels and disagreed that the ad would mislead in the way the complainants suggested.
The ASA noted the complainant's assertion that the powder coating of alloy wheels could be carried out at temperatures lower than 200 degrees Celsius and, because this was below the ductile region for aluminium alloys, no structural damage would result to the wheel.
The ASA took independent expert advice. We understood from the expert that the powder coating process typically involved temperatures ranging from 175 to 210 degrees Celsius, although some powder coating could also be done at 145 degrees Celsius. We noted the aluminium alloy wheels in question were likely to be made of alloy 6061, which contained elements such as magnesium and silicon to help improve strength and resistance to hot cracking, and that a typical 6061-T6 aluminium alloy wheel would not be expected to suffer a significant decrease in its strength following powder coating that involved temperatures of up to 210 degrees Celsius and for up to 30 minutes. We understood, however, some different alloys could suffer and the thermal history of a previously-used wheel could also mean it had already experienced damage before powder coating. We also noted repeated powder coating of the same wheel could eventually lead to a decrease in strength.
We noted structural damage could occur to a wheel following the powder coating process, depending on the type of aluminium alloy used. Although we considered it reasonable to alert potential customers to this and for Wheel Services to express their opinion on the matter, we considered that the claim "N.B. For safety reasons do not have your wheels powder coated" exaggerated the possible damage that could result to alloy wheels following powder coating and was likely to mislead. We told Wheel Services to remove the claim and advised them to avoid implying that powder coating would definitely result in structural damage to all alloy wheels. We advised Wheel Services to consult the CAP Copy Advice team for help with amending the ad.
The ad breached CAP Code clauses 3.1 (Substantiation), 7.1 (Truthfulness) and 20.1 (Marketer denigration).
RM Coatings Ltd objected to a national press ad for a wheel refurbishment company. Text stated " ... POWDER COATING ALLOYS We do not powder coat alloy wheels as this can cause serious stress damage to the alloys, which can result in cracks and buckles to the alloy as they become very brittle, therefore we do not recommend this type of refurbishment for your wheels. We apply manufacturers finish through all our refurbishment process ... N.B. For safety reasons do not have your wheels powder coated". The complainants challenged whether the ad was misleading, because they believed it exaggerated the likelihood of alloy wheels being damaged by powder coating processes.
Codes section: 3.1, 7.1, 20.1
Adjudication
Complaint upheld
Wheel Services said the powder coating process took approximately 60 minutes and, during that time, wheels were subjected to temperatures of 200 to 210 degrees Celsius; they said the process caused alloy wheels to expand and contract and therefore subjected the wheel to structural damage. Wheel Services submitted photographs that they believed showed damage to an alloy wheel at temperatures of 149 degrees Celsius. They asserted that powder coating damaged alloy wheels and disagreed that the ad would mislead in the way the complainants suggested.
The ASA noted the complainant's assertion that the powder coating of alloy wheels could be carried out at temperatures lower than 200 degrees Celsius and, because this was below the ductile region for aluminium alloys, no structural damage would result to the wheel.
The ASA took independent expert advice. We understood from the expert that the powder coating process typically involved temperatures ranging from 175 to 210 degrees Celsius, although some powder coating could also be done at 145 degrees Celsius. We noted the aluminium alloy wheels in question were likely to be made of alloy 6061, which contained elements such as magnesium and silicon to help improve strength and resistance to hot cracking, and that a typical 6061-T6 aluminium alloy wheel would not be expected to suffer a significant decrease in its strength following powder coating that involved temperatures of up to 210 degrees Celsius and for up to 30 minutes. We understood, however, some different alloys could suffer and the thermal history of a previously-used wheel could also mean it had already experienced damage before powder coating. We also noted repeated powder coating of the same wheel could eventually lead to a decrease in strength.
We noted structural damage could occur to a wheel following the powder coating process, depending on the type of aluminium alloy used. Although we considered it reasonable to alert potential customers to this and for Wheel Services to express their opinion on the matter, we considered that the claim "N.B. For safety reasons do not have your wheels powder coated" exaggerated the possible damage that could result to alloy wheels following powder coating and was likely to mislead. We told Wheel Services to remove the claim and advised them to avoid implying that powder coating would definitely result in structural damage to all alloy wheels. We advised Wheel Services to consult the CAP Copy Advice team for help with amending the ad.
The ad breached CAP Code clauses 3.1 (Substantiation), 7.1 (Truthfulness) and 20.1 (Marketer denigration).
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Interesting reading,
I thought they should be worth somewhere between £800 and £1000.
With regards to whether they are worth it, I've had quite a few alloys over the years and these are by far the lightest I have ever handled.
I thought they should be worth somewhere between £800 and £1000.
With regards to whether they are worth it, I've had quite a few alloys over the years and these are by far the lightest I have ever handled.
