On The Way Back From Snetterton...
26 November 2000, 05:35 PM
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Coming back down the A11 from Snetterton today, I came across a little group of 3 DGM 4drs with a TVR something in the middle. All had been on the track today. They were seemingly driving sensibly in the long line of traffic snaking south at 50mph.
So far no problem.
Clear piece of road from oncoming, so I decide to nip past the 2 last scoobs, which I proceed to do & pull in between the 2nd scoob & the TVR. Admittedly the gap was only about 3 cars, but as soon as I've moved in scoob gives it large with his headlights
Excuse me, did I do something wrong? Sorry if I offended you in any way 
Next clear (from oncoming) bit of road & I go to overtake (only) the TVR. <B> The AR$EHOLE acelerated hard when I was level with him & closed the gap on the scoob in front! </B> This obviously left me with no space to go to, and on seeing him start doing that, I stopped acelerating & dropped back. That was downright <B>dangerous</B> 
Traffic was still doing 45/50 in convoy and at the next opportunity, I overtook both the TVR & the remaining scoob & went on my way.
As I have said, if I upset anyone of the 3 scoobs by my driving, I do apologise, but that stretch of road is local to me & I know it. Besides, I was driving carefully & safely & well within the capabilities of the car & oncoming traffic. Someone tell me otherwise. The TVR to$$er is a complete idiot
The reason I posted this was that I know the scoobs are SIDC & there is a v.good chance they visit this board. I am giving them a forum to reply & if the TVR driver is a friend of yours, pass on the message that he is a tw@t.
So far no problem.
Clear piece of road from oncoming, so I decide to nip past the 2 last scoobs, which I proceed to do & pull in between the 2nd scoob & the TVR. Admittedly the gap was only about 3 cars, but as soon as I've moved in scoob gives it large with his headlights
Excuse me, did I do something wrong? Sorry if I offended you in any way Next clear (from oncoming) bit of road & I go to overtake (only) the TVR. <B> The AR$EHOLE acelerated hard when I was level with him & closed the gap on the scoob in front! </B>
This obviously left me with no space to go to, and on seeing him start doing that, I stopped acelerating & dropped back. That was downright <B>dangerous</B> Traffic was still doing 45/50 in convoy and at the next opportunity, I overtook both the TVR & the remaining scoob & went on my way.
As I have said, if I upset anyone of the 3 scoobs by my driving, I do apologise, but that stretch of road is local to me & I know it. Besides, I was driving carefully & safely & well within the capabilities of the car & oncoming traffic. Someone tell me otherwise. The TVR to$$er is a complete idiot
The reason I posted this was that I know the scoobs are SIDC & there is a v.good chance they visit this board. I am giving them a forum to reply & if the TVR driver is a friend of yours, pass on the message that he is a tw@t.
27 November 2000, 12:08 AM
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I also know the A11, there are quite a few accidents on that road and a fair number of loons.
I would not appreciate my 3 car length gap infront of me to become occupied by another car. okay I wouldn't do anything about it other than slow to make another 3 car length gap - but my gap's there for a reason.
I would not appreciate my 3 car length gap infront of me to become occupied by another car. okay I wouldn't do anything about it other than slow to make another 3 car length gap - but my gap's there for a reason.
27 November 2000, 12:20 AM
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....I would wait my turn and concentrate on my safety distance. If I saw a car dangerously queue hopping then I would close the gap before he tries to pass me and not give him the chance to cause an accident in front of me. If I got frustrated, I would take another route. I live near a notorious death-spot caused by this very type of overtaking - on average 1 death a month and weekly accidents at junctions. The road is used by a lot of lorries and hence alot of overtaking happens. I have seen many cars do it and they maybe gain 10 seconds on you but have risked a lot more than time. I hate traffic as much as the next person but have learned to be more patient and use the back roads as much as possible.
27 November 2000, 12:55 AM
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Oooh! Small hornets nest stirred up here!
For The Record (or discussion).
It is a single carriageway road.
The locations in question were straight with a long view of oncoming traffic (or absence of). No corners or blind crests/hollows or upcoming road junctions or other hazard.
Both manoevres were taken with a specific target to achieve (2 cars then 1 car) with allowance made for differing speed that any oncoming might be doing. Well within capabilities of the both acceleration & braking of the car.
Still waiting for a comment from any of the cars concerned...
For The Record (or discussion).
It is a single carriageway road.
The locations in question were straight with a long view of oncoming traffic (or absence of). No corners or blind crests/hollows or upcoming road junctions or other hazard.
Both manoevres were taken with a specific target to achieve (2 cars then 1 car) with allowance made for differing speed that any oncoming might be doing. Well within capabilities of the both acceleration & braking of the car.
Still waiting for a comment from any of the cars concerned...
27 November 2000, 06:44 AM
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...........it is very annoying when you leave a safe gap to the next car and someone else thinks it OK to use it. If there was plenty of room and you didn't cause anyone to brake or back-off to let you in then I that's fair enough. Knowing the road is a lame excuse for queue hopping 
27 November 2000, 08:30 AM
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Iain P,
surely you jest?
Puff you are right. If they are not doing the speed limit, then you are allowed to overtake. Obviously you should not cause them to brake, but you are allowed to pull in.
Muppets who sit behind another car doing less than the limit should fall back so that there is plenty of room for cars to overtake.
Problem is thats where you find the crap drivers, getting stuck behind other cars going slower than the speed limit. When you overtake they go into red mist mode because it shows up their poor driving skills.
Why dont they get taught that overtaking is easy. Just fall back, and accelerate when they have a gap, so that they are travelling faster than the car in front before they even pull over?
robski
surely you jest?
Puff you are right. If they are not doing the speed limit, then you are allowed to overtake. Obviously you should not cause them to brake, but you are allowed to pull in.
Muppets who sit behind another car doing less than the limit should fall back so that there is plenty of room for cars to overtake.
Problem is thats where you find the crap drivers, getting stuck behind other cars going slower than the speed limit. When you overtake they go into red mist mode because it shows up their poor driving skills.
Why dont they get taught that overtaking is easy. Just fall back, and accelerate when they have a gap, so that they are travelling faster than the car in front before they even pull over?
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27 November 2000, 08:33 AM
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Iain: I'm with puff on this one, as if they were making no attempt to overtake then what's the beef?
Rush of blood to the head for the TVR bloke I think. <B>Does he *really* want to be the cause of a head-on crash?</B> Could you live with that on your conscience, even if, in your view, someone was "queue jumping" (which I don't think puff was, by the sound of it)
(close that bold tag, sir!)
[This message has been edited by chiark (edited 27 November 2000).]
Rush of blood to the head for the TVR bloke I think. <B>Does he *really* want to be the cause of a head-on crash?</B> Could you live with that on your conscience, even if, in your view, someone was "queue jumping" (which I don't think puff was, by the sound of it)
(close that bold tag, sir!)
[This message has been edited by chiark (edited 27 November 2000).]
27 November 2000, 08:54 AM
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not saying he was wrong...........I wasn't there BUT in these days of growing road-rage incidents I have found that people get easily wound up and it's rarely worth taking risks. Red mist is a bad thing. I have learned to just go with the flow and save my best driving to the empty back roads. I get cut up daily by people who queue hop and overtake where it's not appropriate - if there's room then I think I should get first chance to someone behind me. Everyone has their own opinion over who's right - the TVR obviously has his own idea on that. Seems strange that any of those cars had the power to overtake but didn't. Perhaps they'll come forward to explain!
27 November 2000, 09:09 AM
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If someone want to over take you its cos they want to or can go faster.
These muppetts were playing king of the road, nobody is going to over take me.
They are dangerous, stupid and above all t055ers.
The M4 was full of them last night, it got so bad near reading that people in fast cars were using the middle and inside lanes just to make progress.
In some cases it was outside lane, accross to inside to go past lane hoggers in the middle and outside.
Yes it was wrong, yes I did it, but I wanted to get home, I was prepard to aruge the point with PC plod had I got stopped. About time this country got some lane education, and PC Plod need to start enforcing it.
In Europe its very nice to drive, everyone pulls out [Indicating] overtakes and goes back to where they started from.
These muppetts were playing king of the road, nobody is going to over take me.
They are dangerous, stupid and above all t055ers.
The M4 was full of them last night, it got so bad near reading that people in fast cars were using the middle and inside lanes just to make progress.
In some cases it was outside lane, accross to inside to go past lane hoggers in the middle and outside.
Yes it was wrong, yes I did it, but I wanted to get home, I was prepard to aruge the point with PC plod had I got stopped. About time this country got some lane education, and PC Plod need to start enforcing it.
In Europe its very nice to drive, everyone pulls out [Indicating] overtakes and goes back to where they started from.
27 November 2000, 09:34 AM
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Iain: v true. Any way of stopping red mist is good. But does that mean hanging back and not going? Dunno, that one is best reserved for beer-fuelled conversation with lots of time 
The highway code does say that if someone's overtaking you shouldn't attempt to hinder them in any way...
The highway code does say that if someone's overtaking you shouldn't attempt to hinder them in any way...
27 November 2000, 10:10 AM
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I agree that overtaking in these circumstances should be ok, but I find that I rarely do it anymore because of the danger.
The danger comes, as you have discovered Puff, not from the manoeuvre itself but from the reaction of other road users.
The same applies with motorway queues, these days I just sit in the inside lane and watch the idiots constantly braking and accelerating in the outer lanes. It normally gains them at least 20 yards every mile!
The problem with motorways these days is volume of traffic. It is particularly frustrating when you are driving a powerful car to be held up by a slower car. The trouble is that many of these "slower" cars are just as frustrated at being held up by even slower cars...... and the poor sod who has been sat in his 2CV at 45mph behind a slow truck because nobody will leave enough room for him to pull out is probably tearing his hair out.
Just relax a bit more and wait till the road clears.
Now where's my cardigan and slippers?
PS. I love 2CVs. I think you should all have to drive one for 300 miles on a motorway to appreciate some quality motoring
The danger comes, as you have discovered Puff, not from the manoeuvre itself but from the reaction of other road users.
The same applies with motorway queues, these days I just sit in the inside lane and watch the idiots constantly braking and accelerating in the outer lanes. It normally gains them at least 20 yards every mile!
The problem with motorways these days is volume of traffic. It is particularly frustrating when you are driving a powerful car to be held up by a slower car. The trouble is that many of these "slower" cars are just as frustrated at being held up by even slower cars...... and the poor sod who has been sat in his 2CV at 45mph behind a slow truck because nobody will leave enough room for him to pull out is probably tearing his hair out.
Just relax a bit more and wait till the road clears.
Now where's my cardigan and slippers?
PS. I love 2CVs. I think you should all have to drive one for 300 miles on a motorway to appreciate some quality motoring
27 November 2000, 10:50 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by robski:
<B>Iain P,
surely you jest?
Puff you are right. If they are not doing the speed limit, then you are allowed to overtake. Obviously you should not cause them to brake, but you are allowed to pull in.
Muppets who sit behind another car doing less than the limit should fall back so that there is plenty of room for cars to overtake.
Problem is thats where you find the crap drivers, getting stuck behind other cars going slower than the speed limit. When you overtake they go into red mist mode because it shows up their poor driving skills.
Why dont they get taught that overtaking is easy. Just fall back, and accelerate when they have a gap, so that they are travelling faster than the car in front before they even pull over?
robski[/quote]
That's not always the correct way to overtake...and is potentially dangerous. Fine on a motorway but not on normal roads. The overtake might be on, you are a travelling faster than the car, you pull out and see a car coming in the opposite direction, oops you are level with the car in no-mans land...
Q
<B>Iain P,
surely you jest?
Puff you are right. If they are not doing the speed limit, then you are allowed to overtake. Obviously you should not cause them to brake, but you are allowed to pull in.
Muppets who sit behind another car doing less than the limit should fall back so that there is plenty of room for cars to overtake.
Problem is thats where you find the crap drivers, getting stuck behind other cars going slower than the speed limit. When you overtake they go into red mist mode because it shows up their poor driving skills.
Why dont they get taught that overtaking is easy. Just fall back, and accelerate when they have a gap, so that they are travelling faster than the car in front before they even pull over?
robski[/quote]
That's not always the correct way to overtake...and is potentially dangerous. Fine on a motorway but not on normal roads. The overtake might be on, you are a travelling faster than the car, you pull out and see a car coming in the opposite direction, oops you are level with the car in no-mans land...
Q
27 November 2000, 11:11 AM
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I am with the 'herd' on this one
Never create a dangerous and potentially fatal situation by closing a gap so as not to let someone in. Let 'em pull in and give 'em the 'two finger' wave if you feel hard done by. Trying to kill them is a bit extreme even for a TVR owner.
Never create a dangerous and potentially fatal situation by closing a gap so as not to let someone in. Let 'em pull in and give 'em the 'two finger' wave if you feel hard done by. Trying to kill them is a bit extreme even for a TVR owner.
27 November 2000, 11:22 AM
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Fullonloon is correct
Safest way to overtake on single carriageway roads is to pull accross to the other lane whilst maintaining speed of traffic flow and then if it is safe to overtake applying maximum acceleration to then do so.
Clearly you have a look before pulling out to avoid head on, but if you pull out and its not safe, you have a clear way back into left hand lane.
Having pulled out and decided to go for it, many of the specialist instructors will advise you to give one long display of headlights to let other roads users know you are there.
Notwithstanding that, the example discribed by Puff is outrageous and Mr TVR clearly needs a good kicking to sort his though shalt not overtake attitude
Anyway, what happened to cammeraderie between owners of high performance vehicles on the roads???
D
Safest way to overtake on single carriageway roads is to pull accross to the other lane whilst maintaining speed of traffic flow and then if it is safe to overtake applying maximum acceleration to then do so.
Clearly you have a look before pulling out to avoid head on
, but if you pull out and its not safe, you have a clear way back into left hand lane.Having pulled out and decided to go for it, many of the specialist instructors will advise you to give one long display of headlights to let other roads users know you are there.
Notwithstanding that, the example discribed by Puff is outrageous and Mr TVR clearly needs a good kicking to sort his though shalt not overtake attitude
Anyway, what happened to cammeraderie between owners of high performance vehicles on the roads???
D
27 November 2000, 11:31 AM
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D,
you could argue that, but, how long does it take to brake as opposed to accelerate?
You obviously have to check ahead, but even in the scoob, accelerating early after having dropped back means you can overtake much more easily.
How many times I have seen someone who sits 3" off someones bumper pull out, and end up only just making the maneuver because he is on the wrong side of the road for longer. If you accelerate early, you have less time on the wrong side of the road, and exposed to danger.
"Safest way to overtake on single carriageway roads is to pull accross to the other lane whilst maintaining speed of traffic flow and then if it is safe to overtake applying maximum acceleration to then do so. " Sounds like a case of doing the observation a little too late to me, but there you go. Plus its much harder to see the road ahead when you are sitting directly behind another car.
robski
you could argue that, but, how long does it take to brake as opposed to accelerate?
You obviously have to check ahead, but even in the scoob, accelerating early after having dropped back means you can overtake much more easily.
How many times I have seen someone who sits 3" off someones bumper pull out, and end up only just making the maneuver because he is on the wrong side of the road for longer. If you accelerate early, you have less time on the wrong side of the road, and exposed to danger.
"Safest way to overtake on single carriageway roads is to pull accross to the other lane whilst maintaining speed of traffic flow and then if it is safe to overtake applying maximum acceleration to then do so. " Sounds like a case of doing the observation a little too late to me, but there you go. Plus its much harder to see the road ahead when you are sitting directly behind another car.
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27 November 2000, 11:37 AM
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I think if you're not intending to overtake a slower car in front, and someone behind clearly is intending to overtake when feasible, you ought to leave a gap for them. Nothing is more annoying than people in convoys who sit there for miles on end almost bumper to bumper. If they just spaced out a bit more, it would allow quicker cars/drivers to make progress, and it also means they're less likely to be involved in an accident if the car at the front has to brake sharply. Personally I try not to cut people up, but if there is a big queue and they are all close together, I am not going to sit at the back at 40mph in a 60 zone when the road becomes straight and clear. If that means overtaking a couple of cars then indicating to pull in and doing so, I'll do it as long as it isn't dangerous. If they get annoyed because they were bunching up to the car in front, then I suggest next time they leave a bigger gap!
As for queue-jumping, if you are behind two cars, and the second car may want to overtake the slow one at the front, then when the road opens up you should give them a chance to overtake. If they don't move then it's ok to go IMO. The reason I mention this is because on Friday evening going towards Newmarket, I was behind 2 crawlers and had a scooby wagon stuck up my chuff even though there were no overtaking lines in the middle of the road. I was preparing to overtake just before the road opened up, started by checking my mirrors and the wagon is already indicating right (still in the no overtaking area) and pulling out a touch. I decided to let him go, not wanting to cause him to swerve by indicating myself, but I must say I thought that was pretty cheeky to say the least! He was close enough to read my badge and knew I was going to overtake so why try to "beat me to it" and possibly cause an incident? The funniest thing was when I overtook and followed behind him, he insisted on going up to about 90mph even though we were coming up to a 30 zone. Well excuse me but no need to prove how fast your scooby is - I drive one so I know already! Anyway I don't see why people can't be a bit more sensible about overtaking - a bit of consideration for other drivers and everyone can get to their destinations safer and quicker.
As for queue-jumping, if you are behind two cars, and the second car may want to overtake the slow one at the front, then when the road opens up you should give them a chance to overtake. If they don't move then it's ok to go IMO. The reason I mention this is because on Friday evening going towards Newmarket, I was behind 2 crawlers and had a scooby wagon stuck up my chuff even though there were no overtaking lines in the middle of the road. I was preparing to overtake just before the road opened up, started by checking my mirrors and the wagon is already indicating right (still in the no overtaking area) and pulling out a touch. I decided to let him go, not wanting to cause him to swerve by indicating myself, but I must say I thought that was pretty cheeky to say the least! He was close enough to read my badge and knew I was going to overtake so why try to "beat me to it" and possibly cause an incident? The funniest thing was when I overtook and followed behind him, he insisted on going up to about 90mph even though we were coming up to a 30 zone. Well excuse me but no need to prove how fast your scooby is - I drive one so I know already! Anyway I don't see why people can't be a bit more sensible about overtaking - a bit of consideration for other drivers and everyone can get to their destinations safer and quicker.
27 November 2000, 11:45 AM
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If someone is on your right then you are obligied to give way to them as stated in the highway code.
If you are sitting in a queue of traffic doing a speed you are happy with, then what is wrong with leaving a 4 or five second gap to the car in front, I generally try to leave at least 8 seconds on an A or B road. Therefore anyone travelling faster would have no difficulty in overtaking me safely. Unless you are overtaking or are about to overtake you should leave a gap.
I am with Puff 100% on this one as I have had the same thing happen to me hundreds of times, thankfully none since I got the Scooby though.
Ian, you are sitting in a queue with ten cars in front with a lorry at the head of a queue. Behind you are another 5 cars, all sitting too close, you are saying that you are happy sitting waiting for the collection of diesel repmobiles to one at a time overtake the lorry, (90% of them at stupid places) which may take 40 miles, during which time you are constantly running the risk of the car behind you re-styling your car should you have to break and 9 do or die 20 second overtaking manovures taking place in front of you, when you could go past all of them on a couple of long straights?
Sorry for this but I really hate people siting too close together clogging up the roads and preventing people from overtaking.
If you are sitting in a queue of traffic doing a speed you are happy with, then what is wrong with leaving a 4 or five second gap to the car in front, I generally try to leave at least 8 seconds on an A or B road. Therefore anyone travelling faster would have no difficulty in overtaking me safely. Unless you are overtaking or are about to overtake you should leave a gap.
I am with Puff 100% on this one as I have had the same thing happen to me hundreds of times, thankfully none since I got the Scooby though.
Ian, you are sitting in a queue with ten cars in front with a lorry at the head of a queue. Behind you are another 5 cars, all sitting too close, you are saying that you are happy sitting waiting for the collection of diesel repmobiles to one at a time overtake the lorry, (90% of them at stupid places) which may take 40 miles, during which time you are constantly running the risk of the car behind you re-styling your car should you have to break and 9 do or die 20 second overtaking manovures taking place in front of you, when you could go past all of them on a couple of long straights?
Sorry for this but I really hate people siting too close together clogging up the roads and preventing people from overtaking.
27 November 2000, 01:06 PM
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Iain,
in my experience this (If I saw a car dangerously queue hopping then I would close the gap before he tries to pass me and not give him the chance to cause an accident in front of me. ) is exactly what causes these "overtake no matter what" drivers to cause accidents.
They are going to try to overtake, and will force their way in.
So why not fall back a little and let them in, if they feel they are capable of overtaking where you are not, why should you have the decision that they cannot as well?
robski
in my experience this (If I saw a car dangerously queue hopping then I would close the gap before he tries to pass me and not give him the chance to cause an accident in front of me. ) is exactly what causes these "overtake no matter what" drivers to cause accidents.
They are going to try to overtake, and will force their way in.
So why not fall back a little and let them in, if they feel they are capable of overtaking where you are not, why should you have the decision that they cannot as well?
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27 November 2000, 01:26 PM
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Closing the gap before someone overtakes is an even worse manuover than the queue hoping !
I don't understand why people have taken exception to Puff's overtaking.
Surely if you are in a queue of traffic going less than the speed limit and a good driver you should be maintaining a reasonable distance between you and the car in front. If someone 'hops' there should be space for them to hop into. Closing that down increases the risk of the overtaker trying to slot into a smaller hole and reduces your own stopping distance.
If you are happy to sit in a long queue of 50mph traffic and another person is not, why drive in such a way as to prevent that person making good progress.
It is this increasing amount of 'vigilantee' driving that is causing the intolerance and so called road-rage seen today.
Puff, you were damn right in what you did, the people involved won't answer becuase either a) they don't know why they did it - when they were in the car they just HAD to prove themselves, or b) they are plain ignorant and don't think they have done anything wrong.
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I don't understand why people have taken exception to Puff's overtaking.
Surely if you are in a queue of traffic going less than the speed limit and a good driver you should be maintaining a reasonable distance between you and the car in front. If someone 'hops' there should be space for them to hop into. Closing that down increases the risk of the overtaker trying to slot into a smaller hole and reduces your own stopping distance.
If you are happy to sit in a long queue of 50mph traffic and another person is not, why drive in such a way as to prevent that person making good progress.
It is this increasing amount of 'vigilantee' driving that is causing the intolerance and so called road-rage seen today.
Puff, you were damn right in what you did, the people involved won't answer becuase either a) they don't know why they did it - when they were in the car they just HAD to prove themselves, or b) they are plain ignorant and don't think they have done anything wrong.
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27 November 2000, 03:17 PM
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Robski,
The idea is that you pull out to have a look a sensible distance back. If you need a run up to make the manouver as you describe, then you ain't got *safely* enough space.
Anyway - thats how the police train there drivers to do it and how all the advanced driver trainers advise as well.
Have a go - you'll find it works well.
Ian P - I hope I NEVER have the displeasure of passing you in a line of traffic with that attitude Sorry, but more chance of a head on when some idiot closes a gap. If you are going to sit in a line of traffic and make no attempt to pass, you should leave sufficient space to allow someone who chooses to do so to pull in without feeling threatened by it.
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The idea is that you pull out to have a look a sensible distance back. If you need a run up to make the manouver as you describe, then you ain't got *safely* enough space.
Anyway - thats how the police train there drivers to do it and how all the advanced driver trainers advise as well.
Have a go - you'll find it works well.
Ian P - I hope I NEVER have the displeasure of passing you in a line of traffic with that attitude
Sorry, but more chance of a head on when some idiot closes a gap. If you are going to sit in a line of traffic and make no attempt to pass, you should leave sufficient space to allow someone who chooses to do so to pull in without feeling threatened by it.D
27 November 2000, 03:31 PM
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Diablo,
My sentiments entirely. It should be possible to prosecute car drivers for travelling in convoy like it is for lorry drivers. There's nothing more disheartening than a lorry ten cars ahead and a queue nose-to-tail behind it. You'd be lucky to get past in a Macca F1. I have no problem leaving a gap for someone in a faster car or someone prepared to take opportunities that I don't wish to. Whenever I see a bike or a porker or the suchlike I leave some room so they can overtake if they want to.
At the end of the day, if someone overtakes the traffic that's holding me up, it doesn't make my situation any worse.
My sentiments entirely. It should be possible to prosecute car drivers for travelling in convoy like it is for lorry drivers. There's nothing more disheartening than a lorry ten cars ahead and a queue nose-to-tail behind it. You'd be lucky to get past in a Macca F1. I have no problem leaving a gap for someone in a faster car or someone prepared to take opportunities that I don't wish to. Whenever I see a bike or a porker or the suchlike I leave some room so they can overtake if they want to.
At the end of the day, if someone overtakes the traffic that's holding me up, it doesn't make my situation any worse.
27 November 2000, 03:39 PM
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Regarding "pulling out to take a look" - one thing which really amazes me is that some cars seem to react to me doing this as if I am some kind of nutter! e.g. sometimes you can see a certain distance, enough so you can pull out safely, but not enough that you can immediately overtake. So you pull out to improve your view, and can then make a safe judgement on whether to overtake or not. Quite a few times when I've done this, then pulled back in, I've been flashed, beeped at, whatever. Would they rather I just pulled out and went for it no matter what? By the way, as Diablo mentioned, this is the way the Police drivers are trained and it recommends the maneouver in their Roadcraft driving handbook, so Vectra-driving reps PLEASE STOP FLASHING ME!
27 November 2000, 03:53 PM
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I reckon this is what happened:
Three Scoobs nursing back home yet another broken TVR with sticky throttle pedal and half a gearbox left. Jumping the first two Subarus, they tried to warn you by flashing you bigtime with the lights. Poor old TVR driver could do nothing - blipped the pedal and it fell off
Then again he could just be a complete wazzock. My next car's a Hum-Vee - Let's see you flash me then, hedge-boy
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Three Scoobs nursing back home yet another broken TVR with sticky throttle pedal and half a gearbox left. Jumping the first two Subarus, they tried to warn you by flashing you bigtime with the lights. Poor old TVR driver could do nothing - blipped the pedal and it fell off
Then again he could just be a complete wazzock. My next car's a Hum-Vee - Let's see you flash me then, hedge-boy
Cheers
Joolz
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27 November 2000, 03:57 PM
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To say that the Roadcraft says that the only safe way to pass a car is to arrive behind it, slow down, and then pull out, only accelerating if clear, is not accurate.
They do advocate the use of momentum to pass, if clear.
We all know the mantra, "postition speed gear accelerate". There is another "Use only the steps that are appropriate". If you are in postition to see clearly, and can see no reason to modify your speed, then you are perfectly correct to overtake using your speed advantage as you approach.
KF.
They do advocate the use of momentum to pass, if clear.
We all know the mantra, "postition speed gear accelerate". There is another "Use only the steps that are appropriate". If you are in postition to see clearly, and can see no reason to modify your speed, then you are perfectly correct to overtake using your speed advantage as you approach.
KF.
27 November 2000, 04:32 PM
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Puff,
I agree with you, if they are driving under the speed limit you had every right to over take.. also if they were doing 50 and only had 3 cars space between each of them, I dont reckon thats enough.. perhaps they were scared of loosing one another!
As for Mr TVR, well doesnt surprise me, I had a pug 205 gti do that to me today and there was about 5 car-gaps between him and the vehicle infront.. gonna change my driving lights for rocket launchers I think
rgds, Alex
I agree with you, if they are driving under the speed limit you had every right to over take.. also if they were doing 50 and only had 3 cars space between each of them, I dont reckon thats enough.. perhaps they were scared of loosing one another!
As for Mr TVR, well doesnt surprise me, I had a pug 205 gti do that to me today and there was about 5 car-gaps between him and the vehicle infront.. gonna change my driving lights for rocket launchers I think
rgds, Alex
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Hope it didn't spoil your day too much Puff. At least we can look back and laugh at an agricultural memory;-)
Let me take an educated guess - was it the red TVR?
I came back along that road later when it was dark and because I didn't know the road I tootled along at 45-50 (naturally leaving a sufficient gap for other to pass me if they were confident;-)
I agree with the sensible comments so far. It is one of the most difficult situations to deal with is overtaking such a stream of traffic that there was last night. There are two hazards apart from oncoming traffic, drivers who would like to overtake but decide not to and consequently are frustrated, and drivers who are unaware of what is happening behind them and the first time they see you is when you pull in in front. More often than not you will get some sort of signal they are not happy.
Let me take an educated guess - was it the red TVR?
I came back along that road later when it was dark and because I didn't know the road I tootled along at 45-50 (naturally leaving a sufficient gap for other to pass me if they were confident;-)
I agree with the sensible comments so far. It is one of the most difficult situations to deal with is overtaking such a stream of traffic that there was last night. There are two hazards apart from oncoming traffic, drivers who would like to overtake but decide not to and consequently are frustrated, and drivers who are unaware of what is happening behind them and the first time they see you is when you pull in in front. More often than not you will get some sort of signal they are not happy.