Steve Fort

Intergrale EVO: Style, Performance, Built on Blue Peter!

Mitsi 3000GTO: Style, Performance, "MAN OVER BOARD"!

Cosworth: Style, Performance, oops me turbos blown.........oops me head gaskets gone........oops somethings squirted oil everywhere.......oops me doors fallen off!

Supra: Style, Performance, Regularly kick my ****!

Scooby: Style, Performance, Practical (Well it is a family saloon!)
Sensible choice!

Mitsi EVO6: Style, Performance, Performance, Bat Mobile, Performance, 4 doors (ideal cab!), Sensible rich persons choice!

Chicken: Style, Performance, regular eggs, good listener, great lovers!!


I seem to have lost it.
Good night!!!!!!!!

[Edited by Steve Fort - 12/11/2001 1:09:32 AM]

MarkJackon

For 12K would a Scooby or a Supra turbo be a better bet, which one would bankrupt me quickest ?

Is the Supra any quicker in the real world?

I say this cos my wife thinks the Impreza is horrible (No accounting for taste) , she says its a boy racer special with no style. The Supra she reckons is acceptable as ageing Japanese cars go. Sunny GTIR met with same dissaproval, the Word Cosworth makes her cringe. I cant win !

chiark

Neither will be cheap to run. I seem to remember one of the early Banzai or Japanese performance magazines running down a list of pros and cons, and the Supra was quite expensive to run, moreso than the Impreza. Remember it's a more expensive car in the first place - this normally leads to more expensive services and parts, too...

Ignore any comments about "show the supra some twisties or a wet road" as it's a damn capable car.

I would hazard the suggestion that the Impreza flatters the driver more than the Supra, too. For example, I think I would be heading towards the scenery fairly quickly in a supra as I'm used to the surefootedness of AWD.

Try 'em both. The supra appeals to me, but I don't trust my right foot enough any more

Z75

I know someone who had 2 or 3 Supras in the early 90s. He tuned them in excess of 600bhp then lost his licence (surprise, surprise). He swears by Toyotas so he may be a bit biased - he currently runs a Lexus SC430 and Toyota Landcruiser Colorado 3.5l. He's been trying to persuade me to buy a Supra ever since I've known him and with the silly prices for Supras these days it is quite tempting. However, the Group 20 insurance and servicing requirements could easily end up doubling the purchase price. Still in his mind there is no competition it has to be the Supra - it is bloody quick. I personally think that the Subaru is the real world practical option with more than enough performance. If you've got a healthy bank balance and want something quite rare try the Supra. It should also be bulletproof being a Toyota.

MarkJackon

600 BHP, Thats McLaren territory, did you get a go in it ?

You could go chasing R1's

DavidRB

Depends on where you do most of your driving. For motorway speed thrills, you can't bet against a 3 litre turbo. For B-road twisties, go for the Scooby.

Looks-wise? One outrageous spoiler is just like another.

RICH WILD

Test Drove a Supra before I bought my Sub and I didn't like it.

Extraordinarily powerful with an amazing noise (sounds like Concorde) but it just felt too big and unwieldy for me. Like trying to drive Wiltshire.

And it could snap out of line very easily even in the dry, with the standard 326bhp, so God knows what 600 is like!

Absolutely superb as a cruiser and in a straight line would waste my car, but I couldn't fling it about like a Subaru.

Z75

No unfortunately he had lost his licence by then. He also recommends the auto boxes because the manuals get shredded by the torque.

600bhp is mad but achievable plus you'll have to spend a lot. These cars are highly tunable. Apparently American kids are ditching their homegrown V8s for these Japanese rockets becuase they can modify them more (any American kids care to comment). Apparently that is the deal with that there film with Vin Diesel, yes I know it's only a film but the cars are based on what tuners can do.

Mad boy has hinted that he might be getting a Supra next year. If he does I'm sure he'll want to exceed what he had before.

Lust4Life

I've got both, a TT Aerotop Supra and I've just bought a Scooby for the winter.

I must say I find that the Scooby is much more fun to drive because it has instant go from normal speeds and the handling is hilarious, you can just take the mickey all day long, however it is nowhere near the Supra in terms of motorway driving (daily commute) and refinement.

The Supra is a superb car but you need to be very careful with it to the point of paranoia in this weather but in the dry it is immensely capable in the right hands.

In terms of running costs they are about the same, regular oil changes are well worthwhile and Supra specialist such as Leon Green only charge £25/hour for their time. They both seem to be low 20's at best in terms of fuel consumption.

I would try both and see which suits you as they really are chalk and cheese but both outstanding cars in their own right.

Also, check out www.mkivsupra.net/bbs for more info on the Supra.

Cheers,

Phil

davyboy

Have you got a medalion and a hairy chest if you have the supra is for you!

brickboy

A friend has run a standard Supra for over 2 years with no expenditure apart from oil, filters and other normal service items. The only financial sadness was when he needed a new set of rear tyres. His is an L-reg UK car, one PO, FTSH.

The build quality is excellent, and providing it hasn't been chipped / bleed-valved to oblivion, has the legendary Toyota reliability. Never driven it, so no idea what it feels like, but it is *VERY* quick ... doesn't take him long to lose me on a straight bit of road :-(

zoog

Get an integrale evolution, style and performance.

mattski2

what about a Mitsubishi GTO thing? bit like a supra but more goodies in it than the space shuttle and that won't be a slouch either? just think... active aero, active suspension, 4-wheel drive, active steering... bat mobile or what!

Z75

what about radio active?

Lust4Life

The GTO is a bit of a nightmare really, far too heavy and complex.

If you want a very powerful rwd Jap missile the Supra is definitely the kiddy

Cheers,

Phil

ski

integrale evolution = front end flex. expensive fix.

bomber

my mate had all these cars befor and i've drove them befor
but to tell u the truth........I HATED THE GTO!!!
and im not offending others GTO owner but my mate had 3 engine blow up
yes......'3'
when he got the car one of the 2 turbo didnt work and on the motorway the engine blew up
the second time was chaseing another car then everything went dead then smoked.....ooooo
3 time is when he was trying to max out the speed and see how fast it will go coz he juz got it fixed but what do u know? blew up right in front of his face
he was lucky to walk away with that coz it did lock up the wheels

maybe its juz him with all the bad luck but i dont think the GTO is gonna do u anygood if ur looking for a car with Scoob handling and power of a Supra in one car

the Supra is great.....on the right day, right weather, right roads.........i loved that car, one of my fav part from the Scoob
i nearly s**t my pants when i boot it.....the power is so great and everything goes into a blur it juz makes u grin and want more!

but it really is upto you on what u want.....i like cars which have a bit of everything ( Scoob ) but my ideal car is like a Supra or a M3
big comfy and powerful

if u are the kinda person who has a bank account which never runs out of money and ur the kinda person who like to mod then the supra is the car for u

but if u are like me with a bank in dept and dont like mod much and want a car who can out run most cars then the scoob is the one for u

also driving style counts too

i like to speed-brake-turn in slower then the scoob-power my way out of bend-chase scoob-out run it

but as i got the scoob now im driving differently

anyway u make the choice

but hope u find the right car for u very soon

take care all

c ya later

bomber

ewwwwwwww
lots of mistakes in the post
hehe
sorry sorry
what i meant was i loved the supra more then the scoob when i said one of my fav part from the scoob
oops!
sorry guys
i'll check befor post next time!

thx

AJbaseBloke

ROTFLMAOHMS @ SteveFort!!

Semi-seriously though, I have driven std and modded versions of all the Japanese cars mentioned (and I own a B4, not a Rex).

Off-topic: GTO - goliath Mitsubishi's attempt to beat the GTR. Heavy, tech-heavy and failure heavy (a m8 who has one is on his 3rd gearbox in a year - and it has been in the shop secretly many times). He also runs 360ps and 44kg/m of torque - the thing is an absolute monster on a circuit, but it is also laughably under braked and eats tyres too. The active aero of the early cars was ditched by the factory in later models coz they could not make it work reliably.

On topic: Supra - bloody quick in a straight line. Some questionable handling traits in corners, but a great mile eater. Not bullet proof if fiddled with as the manual tranny is not the strongest. The heavily modded 450ps midnight runner car (street racer) I tried once was amazingly fast, but even the owner said that twisties were a chore - it was then promptly stuffed into a concrete retaining wall going through a 40km/h corner in traffic The thing snap oversteered, left the driver as a passenger, ABS was AWOL. Lots of broken aero bits was the result.

Rex - nuff said already.

I think you will enjoy any of the cars if you get a good reliable one to be honest. WADR, the Supra just won't have the poor weather margin of safety (assuming the driver is sensible of course).

Cheers

mattski2

SteveFort is one scary dude!

I'll get me coat re: the GTO... now I know why loads of them are for sale

M

boxst

Hello

I had a Subaru WRX STI Type-R, and swapped it for a Toyota Supra MKIV TT.

And as stated in the above posts, it really depends what you want.

The Subura is alot more fun driving around the country lanes as it has alot of grip, and completely manic 0-60mph acceleration times. And in the wet, well, the Supra is just a complete nightmare. I almost killed myself when the winter first came with the Supra.

But the Supra is stylish (in a "I've got a big spoiler" kind of way), usually has full leather, is exceptionally well built, will out accelerate the Subura after about 80mph and has a top speed of 190mph if that's your thing!

Steve.

akshay67

2 of my mates have got standard (i.e. non-turbo) supes, but with nice 18" alloys - forget the std 5 spokes, and all I can say is that those cars get sooooooo much attention - especially when driven together. You will seriously pull tons of women with that beast (if thats your thing!)

And they are fast too - exhaust upgrade and air induction kit give it about 245bhp. The engine sounds great too.

scoobysnacks

How about a Nissan 300ZX? They're the most similar alternative to the Supra with a 3 litres, 6 cylinders, twin turbos (if you go for the turbo version) and rear wheel drive. I know they are top cars and can remember them fairing very well in Performance Car Magazine against much more expensive opposition such as the Carrera and NSX back in the early 90's! A bit older though (not sure when they stopped making them) and probably about the same cost to run as the Supra.... Second thoughts - Get an STI, with proper back seats, similar power and better traction and handling, oh and cheaper costs. How can you lose?

Z75

Both Esses are supposedly afflicted by the Dubai gang grey import scam. Basically the press have reported that some/many of the greys coming into this country from Japan do so by illegal means. They are stolen from their owners in Japan, 'cleaned up' in Dubai then exported to the UK. Apparently some UK owners have had their greys confiscated by the Japanaese insurance companies who paid out for the original loss.

I don't read newspapers because I don't believe a single word of them. However, does anybody have any personal experience of being at the sharp end of this scam. ?

Have to say that the least appealing part of a grey is the fact that there is a chunk of history missing while the car lived in Japan. This is indecipherable because of the cultural/language differences (until I have mastered Japanese that is so any attempt to ring Japan's HPI would be quite fruitless I think.

Z75

I asked my friend about his 600bhp Supra. Here is the reply:

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Hi Andy!

Most definitely SUPRA or may be SKYLINE to get 600BHP plus.

Subaru most definitely not, because you would probably struggle to get 600BHP. Furthermore, you will have reliability problems. You will need to have the Engine rebuild almost weekly basis. So the components used instead standard components to get 600BHP will cost you a lot of money.

However, both the SUPRA and SKYLINE GT could take the load to 600BHP and still maintain pretty good reliability. You could probably do around 20-30K miles without having to rebuild the Engine. Both on SUPRA and SKYLINE you will need to replace the TURBOS after every 20-30K. Normally, tuned the pair of TURBOs could do around 70-100K depend how you drive it. Simple formula if you are going to tune the CAR from standard to double the TURBOS, BREAKS, SUSPENSIONS, and some other components will travel only half the distance or even less.

The company I used back in 1993/1994 was BBR in Oxford. However, BBR no longer tune these car. The company had financial problems and they work as consultants to some racing F1 and Really tuning and specialist component manufacturing.

The company which is even better than BBR is HKS. HKS has tuned one SUPRA TURBO up to 1000 BHP and the cost was around 120K. But to get it up to 600BHP it could cost you around 14-20K. (HKS is a Japanese Tuning Company)

It really depends what you would like to have it done. Engine modifications, tuning, re-chipping, replacing CAMS , etc. around 15-20K. Than they will recommend you to have new suspensions, larger Discs and pads, and ZINC alloys all around to make the car handle 600BHP. For instance, there is no point having 600BHP unless the CAR can handle it.

You will also need a special insurance. A standard insurance company probably will not cover the CAR or the Driver. If the CAR is modified 600BHP the CAR will be rated as very high risk. So you could be looking insurance premium around 3-4K year. In 1993, I paid around £3200.00 but was restricted to do less than 10K miles with £1500.00 Excess.

Lust4Life

Oddly enough, on the Supra BBS we have 600+ BHP Supras insured with Tescos!

It's not a problem for the specialists these days, premium for this sort of power for a 30ish driver is usually £1000-1500 depending on how good a boy, or girl, you've been.

Cheers,

Phil

MarkJackon

Thanks for all the constructive and informative replies, Supra looks favorite as she has dug her heels in further on the Scoob front.

Scoob99

iTrader: (1)

Divorce the missus and get the Scoob........
Colin

akshay67

If you get the right supra, and drive it without the missus, trust me, you will divorce the missus with the amount of attention you will get.

Great~taste~Bloke

Had a simlar problem with what car to buy, however with a slightly greater budget. Mate of mine had a mk4 supra and recons skylines are better.R33 gts or scruffy gtr is within your budget mate of mine has a gts. Better built than any scoob but quick ina straight line but a to b driving on A and B roads the scoobs have it all their own way.
Matthew
Phils r33 gts and my p1


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