carlos30

Man Killed After Car Overturns (from The Northern Echo)

Hope it is'nt anyone off sc

Bug Eyed Peas

My condolences go to his wife and family.
Anthony

speye91

Posted up in TyneTeesScoobies.

WAS QUITE WORRING AS A FEW OF OUR MEMBERS ARE FROM THAT AREA,BUT THANKFULLY IT WAS NOT THEM.

So sad at this time of year too.

Julz1983

Very sad, I thought it was someone off the forum aswell Mick, was worried til I read peoples posts, but none the less it's still awful

clayman

scoobfan

Driving beyond his means no doubt.

At least no one else was hurt.

Rob

Julz1983

Driving beyond his means???

Do you know that for sure, did you see it happen or have you spoke to someone who has all the facts???

No I didn't think so.

Never mind about the driving just now, think of his family and friends.

Shark Man

Remember folks, your car is not as good or as predictable in the twisties as you may think. The roads are not at their best at this time of year. And remember those budget brand tyres that some of you buy could be one step closer to killing you.

So try not to be another statistic.

andythejock01wrx

Condolences to his folks.

AtJ

scoobfan

You don't roll a car into a field driving within your capacity, road conditions and the speed limit.

Like I said, at least no innocents were hurt !!!

Rob

Martin-STI

R I P.

speedymonkey

Blimy what devastating news for his family especially at this time of year

scoobchrissy

iTrader: (1)

R.I.P....

speye91

Well said Julez.

BULLITT

My friend from round that area told me about it earlier today. Tis a shame at any time but more so at this time of year.

I have to totally agree with Shark Man in this instance.

R.I.P. and people, be careful.

Julz1983

Surely you don't have to be driving a devastating speed to roll your car, iirc my Dad rolled a car in to a field and was on a back road not driving at speed, so not everyone speeds to roll/crash a car, everyon just jumps to the same conclusions.........one track mind.

I'm not having a go just stating another fact

I won't be back to answer any crap thrown at me until 10pm

Have a good day and stay safe, it's very icy this morning

BULLITT

I understand what you're saying julz, I've been in a similar accident myself although not quite as bad as that but statistically iirc its round about 90% of all accidents are driver error and lets face it, open country road and an Impreza, your gonna give it some beans aren't you I would I know. I'm not saying that is whats happened but I can see why people would think what they're thinking.

Julz1983

Yeah fair do's, but people judge first before they know all the facts, find out first, at the end of the day, driver error or not it's still awful.

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

Juls, I hear what you're saying, and I feel deep sadness for the guys family and friends.
However, as daft as it sounds, a car does not 'roll' standing still, does it?
A road is a very dangerous place to be if a driver isn't concentrating 100%.
What a find sad, is when peeple blame it on the car/conditions. If the car was new to them, slow down. If it was wet, slow down.

'90% of accidents are caused by driver error'

This is a statistic that we should all wake up to and take notice of.

Tilly

Yes you can so be quiet and show some f*cking emotions I did something similar in my BM while driving within all of the above. I was doing 50 on a 60 road on a straight, slowed down for a corner that I entered at around 35-40 (may I add I was off the brakes before beginning to turn, I never turn and brake where it can be avoided because its dangerous and I was behind another car that was on the way to work so no I wasn't going stupid).

Road conditions... damp but not hurrendous.

Driving within my capacity - yes I was, I drive the same road day in day out to work and back, the escort, astra and merc all happily went round the very same corner in worse conditions at much higher speeds (obviously the merc is the only other RWD out of them though).

The reason my car let go? I had it booked in the next day for warranty problems on the clutch, brakes and rear bushes on what was two weeks prior certified as an "approved used BMW" and that was the soonest they could fit me in so I was driving it steady in the condition it was in as I was not happy with it. DSP doesn't like working properly in the wet obviously because it is a computer and cannot gauge road conditions. Everytime I corrected the slide DSP started cutting the engine in and out making it slide the opposite way with all the momentum and to be fair when you're busy trying to stay on the road and avoid swiping oncoming traffic you dont quite have the time to knock DSP off. I managed to avoid the car coming the opposite way and the car ended up fishtailing but in a pendulem effect gradually getting worse til eventually it span 180 degrees anti clockwise so the drivers side rear wheel hit a curb which tipped the car over through a hedge and onto its roof, luckily noone but the car was injured. With me being a young lad when coppers arrived they wanted to take photos etc of road markings etc and the damage to calculate what I was doing, they too said it was 40 mph max.

My point? stop being so f*cking stereotypical of people

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

So you were driving a car 'knowing' that there was a serious fault with the handling?

Tilly

Like I said, the car had been through a PDI two weeks prior at a BMW main dealer who were perfectly happy to send it out as an "approved used car" with a years warranty blah blah. I wasn't happy with the car but it was in a road legal condition that was MOT'd, tax'd and had been to BMW but I was unhappy with it so was driving slow. I had no other means of transport to work, no public transport in that direction and noone that could give me a lift. BMW insisted the vehicle was fine but if I was worried about it I could book it in to be looked at which I did but they couldn't loan me a car in the mean time or fit me in until the weekend.

colinversion8

i lost my uncle recently in a car accident,its not always the drivers fault,nobody no's wot happen so its very easy for u to sit back and jump to conclusions,it could have been a problem wit the car,turnin sharp to avoide somethin in the road,etc etc,so just give the man and his family a break,deaths not easy to deal wit anytime of the year it'l b even harder this close to christmas,my thoughts go out to the family

matchmaker

I was driving to Inverness on Saturday, wife and kids in the car. Lovely sunny day, perfect driving conditions but a bit frosty. Driving carefully up the A84 near Lochearnhead, I came round a bend onto a long straight. Doing 60. In the distance a car was on the verge, hazards going. Just past it was a police car, hazards going. A policewoman stepped out and waved me down. As soon as I touched the brakes the ABS cut in. I lifted off then braked again. The car twitched, the ABS cut in and also I think the ESP as the car straightened up itself. The road for several hundred yards was black ice. There had been not a trace before that spot, nor was there after. If I hadn't been on a straight I'd probably been off the road.

If I had crashed, driver error?

Tilly

obviously the answer to this is yes because lets face it... we're all expected to be psychic and anyone who has an accident is a bad driver isn't that right?

Shark Man

<self righteous mode>

KNowing that it had been frosty overnight, I would be extra cautious, and drive much slower than the posted speed limit incase a situation would arise where limited grip cuases loss of control. The slower speed will help give more time and ease in regaining control, and if I did crash, the impact speed will be lower and thus reducing injury.

Tilly

sharkman, that is fair enough and a good approach but what if for example there was a diesel spill or something else that isn't relating to weather?

eg. One night on the way home from work me and a colleague (both in RWD cars) were driving down a road that dips through some trees and we always slow down anyway for tree sap because its slippy but one night we both entered the area where it was covered by trees and what looked to be a shadow on the floor from the tree canopy where actually it was a diesel spill, it was only a split second prior to this that you could smell the diesel so not enough time to evade it but luckily we're both into driving and knew how to treat the throttle when we came onto the dry road again where a lot of people would have lifted off resulting in as the name suggests - lift off oversteer. We were both very lucky and it was just fortunate that we had a split second warning to get prepared for it when we smelt the diesel.

Things like this do happen and sometimes it cannot be avoided, people just need to take this into consideration before judging people

matchmaker

I'd already driven 25 or so miles on the same (fairly busy) road with no problems and no hint of an icy surface

If it had been 3am, maybe anticipate ice, but 10.30am?

speedking

These sort of incidents are so few and far between that generally it is safe to drive everywhere without paying attention. On a fairly short journey to work, I must pass hundreds of cars going the other way, any one of which could wander over to my side resulting in a 100mph+ head on crash. But I never give it a second thought.

Condolences to the family, there but for the grace of God etc.

donnas roo

The death of any innocent driver is awful for the family they leave behind, but does anyone actually know that the driver actually owned the vehicle.
How do we know it wasnt ******* out for a joy ride or on the rob at the expense of somebody else.
If the latter is the case and they were thieves, all i say is tuff at least its one less. Hope its the latter as there family must be devistated, doesnt matter what the fault of the accident was some-one has lost a family member at xmas