hey Pete....Pre-Fill your oil filter
15 September 2006, 03:23 PM
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hey Pete....Pre-Fill your oil filter
I just took delivery of a Unipart filter ready for an oil change (already a big Scoobynet faux pas for daring to buy a cheaper brand 
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Now please don't get me wrong, I'm on your side with much of this **** clap trap that is mentioned on here, but this filter had instructions printed on the side.
On intial viewing, I laughed at how on earth could you need instructions on how to fit a screw on filter, admittedly it is only three steps though. But the first step was....
Fill the filter with oil
Well, blow my big ends and push a banana up my tailpipe, the ***** might be right on one or two things!
).Now please don't get me wrong, I'm on your side with much of this **** clap trap that is mentioned on here, but this filter had instructions printed on the side.
On intial viewing, I laughed at how on earth could you need instructions on how to fit a screw on filter, admittedly it is only three steps though. But the first step was....
Fill the filter with oil
Well, blow my big ends and push a banana up my tailpipe, the ***** might be right on one or two things!
and I'm not refering to his colostomy bag
15 September 2006, 04:40 PM
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Still b0ll0x mate...If it's so important, how do fill the filter on a vehicle with centrifugal oil filters, ie bmw, vauxhalls, maxda, etc. etc? And they are usually at the top of the engine! how long before they fill? and they drain everytime the engine is switched off...How do fill a filter which is fitted to the side of an engine..Honda, nissan, some rovers?
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15 September 2006, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by misty
Still b0ll0x mate...If it's so important, how do fill the filter on a vehicle with centrifugal oil filters, ie bmw, vauxhalls, maxda, etc. etc? And they are usually at the top of the engine! how long before they fill? and they drain everytime the engine is switched off...How do fill a filter which is fitted to the side of an engine..Honda, nissan, some rovers?
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15 September 2006, 04:47 PM
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well maybe its something as simple as filters on the bottom of the engine require pre-filling...
im sure they wouldnt go to the cost of printing on the side of a filter for no reason at all
im sure they wouldnt go to the cost of printing on the side of a filter for no reason at all
16 September 2006, 12:32 AM
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It was just a picture. Of course, it could mean just lubricate the seal. But by the looks of the oil can, it appears to be missing the seal and going into the filter 
16 September 2006, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by misty
Still b0ll0x mate...If it's so important, how do fill the filter on a vehicle with centrifugal oil filters, ie bmw, vauxhalls, maxda, etc. etc? And they are usually at the top of the engine! how long before they fill? and they drain everytime the engine is switched off...How do fill a filter which is fitted to the side of an engine..Honda, nissan, some rovers?
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16 September 2006, 07:29 AM
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I used to own a Alfa Sud (1350 ti
) as you may or may not be aware these have a flat four engine.To save a few quid for a good start i'd use a cheap halfords filter,What ever oil was there,then take no notice of any instructions given in service/hayes book.Two oil changes later(8000 mls total - 150mls after second oil change) one completely f$&k flat four crank & one piston
Found out later that the Alfa filter had a non return valve and was only £1.90 more than halfords.A new short engine would have been £850 + labour (early eighties) so being an alfa it went to the scrappy(doo) in the sky.
Sorry for long post but five extra minutes and reading instrutions may well save a lot of money plus you may find if you do an **** change your oil level won't have moved from when you finished
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I used to own a Alfa Sud (1350 ti
) as you may or may not be aware these have a flat four engine.To save a few quid for a good start i'd use a cheap halfords filter,What ever oil was there,then take no notice of any instructions given in service/hayes book.Two oil changes later(8000 mls total - 150mls after second oil change) one completely f$&k flat four crank & one pistonFound out later that the Alfa filter had a non return valve and was only £1.90 more than halfords.A new short engine would have been £850 + labour (early eighties) so being an alfa it went to the scrappy(doo) in the sky.
Sorry for long post but five extra minutes and reading instrutions may well save a lot of money plus you may find if you do an **** change your oil level won't have moved from when you finished
16 September 2006, 07:34 AM
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What a fuss!
I always fill my Impreza filter, takes about 1/4 litre, simple good engineering practice.
Cars with filters 'upside-down' ie MGB's you cannot practically do this, so you don't/ The housing has a one way valve in it to prevent draining over time.
My 911 has a huge filter mounted sideways in the dry sump tank. I saturate the filter ( it swallows a whole litre) till it nearly spills when held sideways and then screw it into place. Porsche tell you to do this, and I think they know better than you or I?
Has never done any harm to help the engine over the 30 years I've messed with the 32 cars I've owned.
I think really you are all baiting PS Lewis?
Graham.
I always fill my Impreza filter, takes about 1/4 litre, simple good engineering practice.
Cars with filters 'upside-down' ie MGB's you cannot practically do this, so you don't/ The housing has a one way valve in it to prevent draining over time.
My 911 has a huge filter mounted sideways in the dry sump tank. I saturate the filter ( it swallows a whole litre) till it nearly spills when held sideways and then screw it into place. Porsche tell you to do this, and I think they know better than you or I?
Has never done any harm to help the engine over the 30 years I've messed with the 32 cars I've owned.
I think really you are all baiting PS Lewis?
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16 September 2006, 09:33 AM
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It really is worthwhile pre-filling the oil filter. It is obvious that it cuts down the time with no oil pressure or feed to the bearings etc when starting the engine initially after the oil change.
Despite all the arguments, how long does it actually take to do the pre-fill anyway?
Les
Despite all the arguments, how long does it actually take to do the pre-fill anyway?
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16 September 2006, 03:25 PM
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The Impreza filter is very very small, and mine takes about 5 mins to saturate, about the time it takes to get the old hot oil into a can to take to the oil dump.
You can fill it 5 times and it will all soak up into the filter gauze, you really wonder where it all goes..
Graham
You can fill it 5 times and it will all soak up into the filter gauze, you really wonder where it all goes..
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16 September 2006, 03:53 PM
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Personally, I would always use an O/E Subaru filter. The cost saving on a Fram or whatever is pennies.
I would suggest you always fill the filter with oil until it will take no more.
If you don't want to, its your choice and nothing to argue about.
Several years ago when I was suddenly offered a slot on the ramp to do an oil change, scheduled for later in the week, I had the oil but not the filter so I used one of the stock motor factor filters already in the garage. Oil pressure on my SPA digital was down a few psi to what I expected. I put the O/E Subaru on two days later and oil pressure was exactly as expected.
I don't know if the after market had a more open filter mesh or more filtration mesh area resulting in lower pressure but I decided to stick with the O/E item from there on.
BTW, the filter will absorb oil for 20 mins or whatever, just like Graham says.
I would suggest you always fill the filter with oil until it will take no more.
If you don't want to, its your choice and nothing to argue about.
Several years ago when I was suddenly offered a slot on the ramp to do an oil change, scheduled for later in the week, I had the oil but not the filter so I used one of the stock motor factor filters already in the garage. Oil pressure on my SPA digital was down a few psi to what I expected. I put the O/E Subaru on two days later and oil pressure was exactly as expected.
I don't know if the after market had a more open filter mesh or more filtration mesh area resulting in lower pressure but I decided to stick with the O/E item from there on.
BTW, the filter will absorb oil for 20 mins or whatever, just like Graham says.
16 September 2006, 04:00 PM
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I always pre-fill my filter .... good engineering practice
I do NOT - as the **** ScoobyNetters do - soak it OVERNIGHT!!
The Subaru Main Dealers do NOT pre-fill ........
My main objection is directed at those **** idiots who remove the crank-angle sensor and tell others that it should be done before starting the engine!
Pete
I do NOT - as the **** ScoobyNetters do - soak it OVERNIGHT!!
The Subaru Main Dealers do NOT pre-fill ........
My main objection is directed at those **** idiots who remove the crank-angle sensor and tell others that it should be done before starting the engine!
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16 September 2006, 04:45 PM
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I do remove the crank sensor and cam sensor when doing a oil and filter change............................................ .............. But only to give them a quick clean as a build up of dirt can affect the readings and did result in poor running on my car. so 10 mins while the oil is draining no problem.
16 September 2006, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I always pre-fill my filter .... good engineering practice
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So whats with the prefill???
16 September 2006, 05:50 PM
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Yay another oil topic
TBH tho the crank sensor thing is a bit iffy tbh.
Prefill is a good idea if like Graham says you can do it.
All this overnight or leave it for half hour stuff is rubbish.
TBH tho the crank sensor thing is a bit iffy tbh.
Prefill is a good idea if like Graham says you can do it.
All this overnight or leave it for half hour stuff is rubbish.
16 September 2006, 08:51 PM
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Pete . .Could you please elaborate as to why its good practice! . . .When I change oil, I drain it . .Fill it 4 litres . . .Turn over the engine for a bit, and then add the final litre! . .
So whats with the prefill???
So whats with the prefill???
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17 September 2006, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
The oil is pumped from the sump-through the filter-and onto the bearing surfaces ........ if it takes 2 seconds to fill the filter before a strong feed is issued to the bearings I would like to reduce that 2 seconds to as close to nil seconds as possible.......and I believe pre-filling it does that.
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