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24 August 2006, 09:54 PM
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Ive always assumed that theyre only serviced as a complete part. This could be a good time to fit less compliant droplinks though... You might consider a stiffer rear ARB with low-compliance bushes too.
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24 August 2006, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Ive always assumed that theyre only serviced as a complete part. This could be a good time to fit less compliant droplinks though... You might consider a stiffer rear ARB with low-compliance bushes too.
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24 August 2006, 10:12 PM
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Less compliant droplinks have less 'give' (the OEM parts are made of plastic which does wonders for NVH but little for the vehicles handling); if the links that mount the ARB to the body have less compliance then they force the anti-roll bar to work harder.
The most popular uprated rear ARB is made by Whiteline and this comes with low-compliance mounting bushes. These are harder than the OEM mounting bushes and again, they have less give which locates the ARB more securely.
Im not sure how much the OEM parts cost, but I wouldnt be surprised to find out that Whiteline droplinks werent much dearer.
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When I say that the rear ARB kit comes with low-compliance bushes; I mean mounting bushes, uprated droplinks are sold seperately.
The most popular uprated rear ARB is made by Whiteline and this comes with low-compliance mounting bushes. These are harder than the OEM mounting bushes and again, they have less give which locates the ARB more securely.
Im not sure how much the OEM parts cost, but I wouldnt be surprised to find out that Whiteline droplinks werent much dearer.
Simon
When I say that the rear ARB kit comes with low-compliance bushes; I mean mounting bushes, uprated droplinks are sold seperately.
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Originally Posted by tony95
uprated whiteline drop links for my 95 saloon were about 30quid less than the standard subaru items iirc
also got adj arb at the same time
also got adj arb at the same time
Just checked out whiteline and it quotes £86.00 per pair before carriage. Does this sound about right? Are the plastic OEM ones dearer than that, even?
24 August 2006, 10:23 PM
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Bob; Ive got a five part Impreza handling magazine feature called 'Rex on Rails' that might interest you. It features Whiteline parts and it makes very interesting reading. Its in five .pdf files; if youre interested pm me your email address and I will send it to you.
Be assured that its the very opposite of Max Power.
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25 August 2006, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Bob; Ive got a five part Impreza handling magazine feature called 'Rex on Rails' that might interest you. It features Whiteline parts and it makes very interesting reading. Its in five .pdf files; if youre interested pm me your email address and I will send it to you.
Be assured that its the very opposite of Max Power.
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Be assured that its the very opposite of Max Power.
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25 August 2006, 10:22 AM
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I ordered the steel rear drop links a couple of weeks back from rally-nuts.com. £31+VAT and delivery...
http://rallynuts.com/motorsport/Suba...preza_2173.asp
Ordered them tuesday afternoon, they arrived at my work wednesday morning and I fitted them that lunchtime.
http://rallynuts.com/motorsport/Suba...preza_2173.asp
Ordered them tuesday afternoon, they arrived at my work wednesday morning and I fitted them that lunchtime.
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26 August 2006, 12:02 AM
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My mechanic, who preps Group N Subaru rally cars, said today:
"Don't do anything about it until you have to at the m.o.t. If I took them off completely, you'd never know they weren't there in normal driving - they do virtually bugger all".
"Don't do anything about it until you have to at the m.o.t. If I took them off completely, you'd never know they weren't there in normal driving - they do virtually bugger all".
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ive not got any intention of hijacking this thread, but just wondering...
if i get some second hand sti suspension (say v3-4) for my 95wrx, what would i do about droplinks for the front and rear. i have intermittently (apologies on spelling!) heard that if you want to put alloy droplinks on the front & rear, sti struts/springs differ, so which droplinks would i go for, say for arguments sake i was getting just alloy droplinks front and whiteline arb/droplinks rear. if that makes sense?
cheers. andy.
if i get some second hand sti suspension (say v3-4) for my 95wrx, what would i do about droplinks for the front and rear. i have intermittently (apologies on spelling!) heard that if you want to put alloy droplinks on the front & rear, sti struts/springs differ, so which droplinks would i go for, say for arguments sake i was getting just alloy droplinks front and whiteline arb/droplinks rear. if that makes sense?
cheers. andy.
26 August 2006, 12:47 AM
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As for not noticing if the rear ARB is connected or not, I certainly bloody would. Noticed a big improvement when fitting the 22mm Whiteline bar with solid steel links, but it was much, much better when I went up to the stiffest setting. To run with no links, and thus effectively no ARB would be a horrible mess of wallowy understeer and puke inducing body roll
As for not noticing if the rear ARB is connected or not, I certainly bloody would. Noticed a big improvement when fitting the 22mm Whiteline bar with solid steel links, but it was much, much better when I went up to the stiffest setting. To run with no links, and thus effectively no ARB would be a horrible mess of wallowy understeer and puke inducing body roll
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Originally Posted by corradoboy
Clicky
As for not noticing if the rear ARB is connected or not, I certainly bloody would. Noticed a big improvement when fitting the 22mm Whiteline bar with solid steel links, but it was much, much better when I went up to the stiffest setting. To run with no links, and thus effectively no ARB would be a horrible mess of wallowy understeer and puke inducing body roll
As for not noticing if the rear ARB is connected or not, I certainly bloody would. Noticed a big improvement when fitting the 22mm Whiteline bar with solid steel links, but it was much, much better when I went up to the stiffest setting. To run with no links, and thus effectively no ARB would be a horrible mess of wallowy understeer and puke inducing body roll
26 August 2006, 02:44 AM
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was that me or bubba sorry
Originally Posted by Bubba po
My mechanic, who preps Group N Subaru rally cars, said today:
"Don't do anything about it until you have to at the m.o.t. If I took them off completely, you'd never know they weren't there in normal driving - they do virtually bugger all".
"Don't do anything about it until you have to at the m.o.t. If I took them off completely, you'd never know they weren't there in normal driving - they do virtually bugger all".
26 August 2006, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by corradoboy
Clicky
As for not noticing if the rear ARB is connected or not, I certainly bloody would. Noticed a big improvement when fitting the 22mm Whiteline bar with solid steel links, but it was much, much better when I went up to the stiffest setting. To run with no links, and thus effectively no ARB would be a horrible mess of wallowy understeer and puke inducing body roll
As for not noticing if the rear ARB is connected or not, I certainly bloody would. Noticed a big improvement when fitting the 22mm Whiteline bar with solid steel links, but it was much, much better when I went up to the stiffest setting. To run with no links, and thus effectively no ARB would be a horrible mess of wallowy understeer and puke inducing body roll
He was probably exaggerating slightly, too.
26 August 2006, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
He was probably commenting on my grandad-like driving, then. He mentioned that the only times they really come into play is when you're cornering really hard.
He was probably exaggerating slightly, too.
He was probably exaggerating slightly, too.
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26 August 2006, 02:20 PM
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Yes, a good road set-up is to retain the OE front ARB and use the Whiteline 22mm on the rear. By reducing rear roll the front wheels keep a better alignment with the road surface negating understeer and greatly improving turn-in and cornering speed. Some say that by stiffening up the front as well you re-introduce the understeer, but really it's the whole car that becomes more twitchy as the weight transfer has to be handled by the tyres in a stiffer set-up. It will turn in better, and faster with the front done, but will break away more suddenly if you've gone in too fast.
Oh, BTW, having just re-read the main points of the thread I realise that Bubba isn't talking about removing the links altogether, but referring to worn bushes. This extra play although not ideal, won't drastically alter his handling, but would be better sorted sooner rather than later.
Oh, BTW, having just re-read the main points of the thread I realise that Bubba isn't talking about removing the links altogether, but referring to worn bushes. This extra play although not ideal, won't drastically alter his handling, but would be better sorted sooner rather than later.
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By the way, the The "Rex on Rails" articles mentioned above can be found on the Whiteline site, worth a read:
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_1.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_2.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_3.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_4.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_5.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_1.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_2.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_3.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_4.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_5.pdf
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Originally Posted by stisye
While on yhe subject where can i find uprated rear anti roll bar links for 04 STI (ball joint type)?
sye
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.My rear pair of alloy drop links (not ball type) were £62 delivered, they even come with bolts, washers, nuts and grease
.Hope this helps bubba po, Wolfie.
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Originally Posted by wolfie28
Demon Tweeks mate. Mention Scoobynet and you should get 15% off .
My rear pair of alloy drop links (not ball type) were £62 delivered, they even come with bolts, washers, nuts and grease.
Hope this helps bubba po, Wolfie.
.My rear pair of alloy drop links (not ball type) were £62 delivered, they even come with bolts, washers, nuts and grease
.Hope this helps bubba po, Wolfie.
Dont think you will find them anywhere else cheaper really droplinks for a classic will be about £32.40 a pair with the discount including VAT. Delivery is fairly cheap.
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Originally Posted by ricardo
By the way, the The "Rex on Rails" articles mentioned above can be found on the Whiteline site, worth a read:
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_1.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_2.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_3.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_4.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_5.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_1.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_2.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_3.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_4.pdf
http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles...on_rails_5.pdf
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