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Old 07 November 2005, 07:10 PM
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Default Newage Modification - Engine Stage 1 (Part 1/2) Launched!

ScoobyNet are proud to present the first of many indepth articles, concerning the modification of the Newage Impreza.

Starting off with Engine Stage 1 modifications, the Official ScoobyNet Articles forum will develop over time to give you information, tests, comparisons and results in detailed comprehensive articles.

It has taken 6 months to produce this first installment and we sincerely hope you enjoy reading it and find the information both useful and informative.

Personal thanks go to Powerstation, ScoobySport and Litchfield Imports, for help and guidance for Engine Stage 1, which without there help this article would of not been possible.

Please see HERE for the article.

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Old 08 November 2005, 07:58 AM
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Hi Shaun

What a good read. Looks like you spent a lot of time to do this and I like the report; very thorough.

I look forward to the next instalment

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Old 08 November 2005, 09:08 AM
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they are pretty useful and a good baseline for further mods,interesting difference in rolling roads between wrc/powerstation!
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surprised you didn't use wheel horse power though - much more comparative!
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Not really
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gives me a base to work with...

out of interest shaun how many miles has yours done????

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Old 08 November 2005, 04:24 PM
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Not really
I would say it eliminates the need to calculate transmission losses - which can be a bit of a variable in itself. And at the end of the day its the power at the wheels that propels the car....
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Warren,
Power at the Flywheel's was used, as this is the common comparator that most people associate power figures with.

Steve,
Just over 21k.

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It's a good read but the pics are too small. Can you make them bigger?
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Just a quick well done for producing such a definative guide to newage tuning (only read stage 1 so far..!)..!

Cheers Shaun, you're a man with a lot of time and patience..!

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Thank you for everybodys comments..... it sure has taken considerable time to produce this 1st article, but I hope it of both use and informative. Above all, I have certainly enjoyed doing it.

SPEN555,
Just click on the images for the full size ones.

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Thank you for everybodys comments..... it sure has taken considerable time to produce this 1st article, but I hope it of both use and informative. Above all, I have certainly enjoyed doing it.

SPEN555,
Just click on the images for the full size ones.

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Clicking on the pics does nothing though, well not on my pc anyway.
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SPEN555,
Works fine for me (have tried it on 4 different PC's). If you hover over a picture your pointer should change to a hand, you can then click and a new window will be loaded with the picture in full size.

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Cheers Shaun,

I am using Firefox to view it and it is blocking it. But works okay using Microsoft Explorer

Thanks for checking for me.

p.s. I want more! when are you gonna get stage 2 done?
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I need a break after this one first! lol

Seriously though.... momentum needs to be maintained and ideas are already being investigated for Engine Stage2 (Stage 3 is in the discussion stage as I type this, so we are certainly not resting on our laurels).

I suspect that Handling Stage 1 will be the next completion though.

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Old 09 November 2005, 10:18 PM
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Shaun

The article is fantastic mate.

Very informative and thorough - testing all different variations. Well done and look forward to more.

Glad to see that you have taken your time to publish a very professional article.

Cheers

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Thank you for your comments.

Edited as I just realised I am repeating myself.

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are you saying that induction kits are total ****e on standard turbos and a panel filter is the way to go?
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Nope, not at all.

But we did find that the specific induction kit we tested in the application we tested against (and perceived remit), gave higher inlet temps and slightly less response and contributed to surge. We also found that for a cost vs gain, the uprated panel filter proved a better modification (again for what we were looking for).

But again, we also noted the positives (potential for higher rpm power due to non-restrictive airflow) of the specific induction kit (including design and build quality) and acknowledged it's potential for later stages of testing (when more BHP is needed) in the future.

Remember...... it's all too easy to say what is expected..... but until you test you will never know.

I hope this helps to make it clearer.

Regards,
Shaun.
Old 12 November 2005, 08:50 PM
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Well done mate!Looks like this is going to be one to keep a eye on.
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> suspect that Handling Stage 1 will be the next completion though.

Oh oh. Pardon my cynicism but does that mean the Scoobysport Nitrons are almost ready for release and due a free plug? It's almost Autosport time again and they were imminent last time! Hope the 12 months testing has gone well and they are as good as expected.

The blatantly biased comments about Scoobysport's exhaust in the engine article made me laugh out loud, completely out of context with all the rest of the article! Fair play to you for all the work in putting the articles together and apologies if this comes across as totally negative but morally I think you should have made it a bit more clear about the ownership of the company making the exhaust. Some if not most readers will assume this is an unbiased assessment of aftermarket bits which it is clearly not. No problem with you advertising your products on your board but if you do so then I feel you should say so.

For total clarity what about a back to back test of Scoobysport's exhaust against another equivalent aftermarket one? Perhaps the one Powerstation sell, not sure what that is so I've got no axe to grind. If it's as good as you say then Scoobysport will have nothing to fear. And judging by the test results, which were truly impressive in terms of +bhp/£, then it is that good and deserves to stand on it's own two feet rather than covert backing in an ostensibly unbiased article.

Thats my views anyway, maybe I'm alone.
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Chelspeed,

Can I suggest if you wish to know anything about ScoobySport products that you contact ScoobySport directly. I (nor ScoobyNet) have no business connection (apart from ScoobySport paying me for banner's and forum Sponsorship) with ScoobySport what so ever, so am not the person to comment.

As regards to Handling Stage 1 - This is not looking at suspension.

I hope this helps to explain your "cynicism".

As regards to your statement of "biased comments"......

What we found regarding the ScoobySport system was fact, plain and simple. Not sure how you can substantiate that as being "biased". True, maybe we could of tested several exhaust systems back to back, but then that was not what this range of articles are about.

I am not advertising my products (ScoobyNet does not have any) on this website at all. Simon (owner of ScoobySport) has nothing to do with the management of ScoobyNet anymore (hasn't for a long time now). I organised and wrote the article, so again nothing to do with Simon. True, ScoobySport helped with advice and gave me the chance to test a prototype system.

This is not about ScoobySport, this is about an informative article for the community that I have personally spent 6 months on creating.

I had also given similar praise to PowerStation and Litchfield Imports, who without their help and dedication the article would of not been possible.

Can I just make this perfectly clear..... these articles are technical articles in essence (giving guidance and help). They are not meant to be comparison tests of all the kit out there.

Regards,
Shaun.
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Seroiusly enjoying this article.

Just waiting for Stage two.
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Originally Posted by webmaster
I am not advertising my products (ScoobyNet does not have any) on this website at all. Simon (owner of ScoobySport) has nothing to do with the management of ScoobyNet anymore (hasn't for a long time now). I organised and wrote the article, so again nothing to do with Simon. True, ScoobySport helped with advice and gave me the chance to test a prototype system.

This is not about ScoobySport, this is about an informative article for the community that I have personally spent 6 months on creating.

Can I just make this perfectly clear..... these articles are technical articles in essence (giving guidance and help).

Regards,
Shaun.
So Simon (Scoobysport) no longer has "Webmaster" status Shaun ?
He is still however the owner of Scoobynet I believe ?

I just wondered, if this is as you state above, a "technical" article why it has to be -

A - Advertised at the very top of EVERY forum and not just technical ?
B - Sticky in every forum.
C - In HUGE BOLD font

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Looks like a great read Shaun and i've already vowed to sit down and indulge in it when i have a spare few hours. It's exactly the sort of thing i'd love to myself but don't have the weight of exposure you can offer companies to negotiate decent rates or even their interest. That's not a dig btw, who wouldn't in your shoes?

I do agree that's it's somewhat ostentatious to have the thread(s) so prominently situated throughout the forum. Asking for suspicion almost, especially as no-one seems to be aware Simon no longer has any ties with SNet. Why not slum with the commoners in the Projects forum?

EDIT: at least make the pics 200px wide. Will still fit on even the smallest resolution screens and it's a PITA clicking.
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Originally Posted by SPEN555
Cheers Shaun,

I am using Firefox to view it and it is blocking it. But works okay using Microsoft Explorer

Thanks for checking for me.

p.s. I want more! when are you gonna get stage 2 done?

I am using Firefox and the pics work fine with me. Try changing your settings.

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Originally Posted by Rannoch
I am using Firefox and the pics work fine with me. Try changing your settings.

Rannoch
I just use Windows Internet Explorer and it works fine in there. I would not know what settings to change in Firefox for it to work.
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Originally Posted by webmaster
I need a break after this one first! lol

Seriously though.... momentum needs to be maintained and ideas are already being investigated for Engine Stage2 (Stage 3 is in the discussion stage as I type this, so we are certainly not resting on our laurels).

I suspect that Handling Stage 1 will be the next completion though.

Regards,
Shaun.
I'd love to see a PE1825 or Zero Sports Twin Scroll put in for Stage 2, simple turbo upgrade that will work with the manifold and exhaust system...

Originally Posted by webmaster
Nope, not at all.

But we did find that the specific induction kit we tested in the application we tested against (and perceived remit), gave higher inlet temps and slightly less response and contributed to surge. We also found that for a cost vs gain, the uprated panel filter proved a better modification (again for what we were looking for).

But again, we also noted the positives (potential for higher rpm power due to non-restrictive airflow) of the specific induction kit (including design and build quality) and acknowledged it's potential for later stages of testing (when more BHP is needed) in the future.

Remember...... it's all too easy to say what is expected..... but until you test you will never know.

I hope this helps to make it clearer.

Regards,
Shaun.
I wonder if the induction kit had been housed in a cold air box if this would have made a difference?
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Who own's what has no relevance on the article, how it was produced and how it has been promoted on these forums.

Andy,
It is placed across all forums, a)because I wanted everyone to know about it and b)I am proud of the article.

STI8U,
While I suspect that a cold air box would of helped the inlet temps, it would not of stopped the surge.

Regards,
Shaun.


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