Clarkie172

bug eye and to be honest i was very dissapointed! having just owned a clio 172, i thought with a 0-60 time of 5.9 the performance would be great! having the perfect salesman, he let me and the girlfriend loose in it for 30 mins on our own!!Cheers fella! but im so gutted. im going to look at another tomorrow to see whether it was a one off or theyre all not that quick. if that is the same, im going to drive a classic! if thats the same, i cant afford an sti etc so cannot have an import i think i will give up driving until im 25!lol

Trap2Terrorist

iTrader: (3)

Hi mate,

I own a bugeye and soon got used to the power available and decided that it wasn't enough compared to what I expected from a scoob (this is my first).

I've just had an ecutek remap done on mine at Powerstation and it has completely transformed the car. Don't be too hasty to write off owning a bugeye.

Instead I would include ~£550 for an ecutek plus a couple of hundred quid for a performance backbox (if it doesn't already have one) and decat centre section in your overall budget and take it straight to somewhere like PS.

As long as you remove the centre cat and fit a performance panel filter (£40) you'll get STi performance. I'm getting just under 260bhp and 347Nm torque now, nice and fast.

scooby_matt

Get a classic mate

Clarkie172

Trap 2, i was thinking that about the chip etc because if i did get one, thtas what i would do, but first impressions were not the best to say the least! the brakes were appauling, the power delivery was boring and didnt really feel like u imagine an 'impreza' to be like. it made me feel gutted getting rid of the 172. i want a subaru-badly! but cant insure a decent one ie import and driving that today has made me think twice.....maybe after the other one tomorrow, or the classic ill be looking at will make me change my mind?! id prob have to drive a modified one too to give me an idea of its potential!

simo

did tell you mate. I would have thought that you would have tried 1 or 2 before selling the Clio. 172 /182's rule Against a WRX the clio is so well matched (read better). A classic will feel & be faster as it is 200kg lighter, same power. New age is better built & stronger thou, you need to save up mate for modding & even more insurance.

Simon

abbiesdad

try a prodrive wrx ... find the right one ,pay no extra but you will notice the difference... they are decieving ,they are faster than they seem..

scoobfan

Don't bother with a lardy arsed newage, get yourself a nice
classic STI and then come back and tell me it feels slow.

Trust me mate you will be blown away.

Good luck with the search mate.

Rob

jazzasti

buy an evo 4/5/6 instead mate,a lot better car and defo worth the money!!they will blow you away,gonna change mine in january for the evo 6,brilliant car!

Trap2Terrorist

iTrader: (3)

Sounds like there may be something wrong with the one you drove, the standard brakes on the newage are pretty good, expecially compared to a classics.

Clarkie172

maybe it was just a crap one? ill look at another and see! cant have a classic sti or an evo im only 22 with 6 points!-the insurance is bad enough on a classic! not to mention if i get a bug eye wrx! £400 extra over a classic!

Trap2Terrorist

iTrader: (3)

I paid £1500 to insure my bugeye WRX, (0 NCD).

Clarkie172

i got quoted £1850 with 3 years NCB @22 with 6 points WRX. for a classic it was £1400

Trap2Terrorist

iTrader: (3)

Are you married? If so, put try putting her on the quote, or try your Mum.

I know it sounds wierd but I saved £200 off my quote by having my ex-wife put on the policy.

The Incredible Hulk

T2T,

I came from an ITR and have to admit I thought, and continue to think, the brakes are pretty ropey on a bugeye WRX, I'm amazed to hear that the classic is even worse. With regards to the thread title, the WRX was never going to be a league ahead of the Clio in terms of performance 'feel' through the seat I'd have thought. You are moving up in terms of size, mass, 4-wheel drive etc so there was never going to be a huge difference with only an extra 40ish BHP. Looks like the things that float your boat aren't really going to come from a standard WRX, test drive an STI and see if that feels more like it - if it does start saving

Kevin

zoney-WRX

who's quoteing you that??????? sounds like dick turpin and co again give tescos a try seem very good with young drivers and the wrx

i had a bugeye WRX and it was very fast the 1 you tried must have been a bad 1

G_Sleigh_STi

Save the pennies for an STI second hand..

Im 22, i have a 333bhp 04 STI, its ****ing amazing LOL, i am so glad i spent a little longer saving for it and didnt get the WRX like i first planned.

flat4_ire

how are they "a lot better"?? id have my sti type r any day over an evo(unless it was a serious monster) and ive been in all types of both imprezas and evos

deco c

did i not see your car in the auto trader flat4

flat4_ire

u did

flat4_ire

.......Aaaaaand???

Trap2Terrorist

iTrader: (3)

I find that I get a bit of fade with them occasionally but other than that they're fine. I've never owned a Classic but having spoken with a lot of people about Classics (including owners and Subaru specialists) they have all said the newage WRX brakes are a massive improvement over the classics.

Stiver3

People do seem to over-estimate the impreza, they have had so much good press over the years that people automatically think they will be the quickest things on earth. In reality, most of the time its the Sti which everyone talks about, the WRX is just a 'warmed saloon' whereas the STi's are monsters.

I have been fortunate in driving both a classic Wrx, and owning a classic Sti, and although i havent driven a bugeye- the difference in the classics is phenomenal, the pick-up,midrange pull and bolt from the turbo are all completely different.

If you have to own an impreza, in my opinion get a STi,PPP etc..

Clarkie172

going to drive another now...ill let u know in a few hours!

phelpsa

The bugeye WRXs are warm saloons. They are civilised family cars with a bit of poke when you want it. Having an STi over a WRX is like a Clio Cup 172 over a 1.8 sport or whatever. The 172 was designed to be a fast Clio, whereas the WRX was designed to be a slower Impreza, so really you cant compare them.

Adam

ru'

Eh? Surely the wrx is a faster sport, and the sti a faster wrx?

Trap2Terrorist

iTrader: (3)

You can't really compare the Sport with the WRX, except in body trim similarities. For a start it's N/A and that's just the start.

However there are also big differences between the WRX and the STi and not just in power gains. There is different suspension, etc.

If you're going out to buy your first scoob and are expecting it to match the power hype and 'legend' that is the Impreza, you have to buy an STi or a modified WRX.

However that doesn't detract from the handling, AWD system, etc. that makes up the standard WRX. It's still a superb car to drive, even in standard form. It may just lack that extra 'insane' power that people expect to get.

At the end of the day, a 0-60mph time of sub-6 seconds is by no means slow in anybody's book. For example, if you consider the qudos that goes with a Volvo T5 and yet their 0-60 time is just under 7 seconds, a full 1 second slower than a WRX.

Frazer

Typical Scooby owner way of thinking....

The Incredible Hulk

Frazer, to be fair to T2T, the thread originator opened the debate with a 0-60 time. I agree that there is more too it, but, possibly the thread originator is really interested in that area as opposed to the other benefits of a WRX? Time will tell.

Kevin

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

My thoughts... go and buy a classic if you want a hardcore driving experience. Sure it looks more than a bit old now, has a poor interior, doesn't handle as well as the new-ages, Barry has one and so on, but that can be lived with and is all part of the rawness that your probably looking for.

The WRX (03 onwards included as the performance is so close to the bug-eye WRX's as to make the differences insignificant in reality) is more refined and more compromised as standard. Sure an exhaust, remap, eibach's and set of performance pads will go a long way towards sorting out your concerns for reasonable money, but you don't sound like you want to tinker with the car much to behonest.

Also is 4 wheel drive a neccessity for you? I know this has turned into the usual bug-eye is rubbish nonsense but maybe you should be looking at Civic Type R's for example? Mate just swapped his 182 for a CTR and said it was much more his cup of tea.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

The only thing i'd say about them is that you do have to use more pressure than you might have to in other cars - but you soon get used to that and yes they are better than classic versions.