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Old 11 October 2005, 12:49 PM
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Default Just a quickie - new WRX Vs. Octavia VRs.

Here is a quick one for you.

I work on a former US air force base and have the luxury of 2 miles of tarmac to play on when ever I like, a colleague has recently bought a brand new Scooby 5 door WRX and has challenged me to a drag race.

My car is a Skoda Octavia VRs, remapped to 220 bhp and 230 lb/ft (front wheel drive)

The Scoob is a brand new 5 door WRX as standard off the shelf without the PPP.

Am I going to get my *** whipped ?

I reckon the key to my success is a good start.
Old 11 October 2005, 12:53 PM
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You'll probably do OK.

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Old 11 October 2005, 01:02 PM
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You should have him, though he will get the jump at the start and you should real him in
Old 11 October 2005, 01:11 PM
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Is that a slow spec scoobie then?
Old 11 October 2005, 01:24 PM
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The stand turbo is called the WRX now, so I reckon you'd probably have the edge in your vRS.

If he had the WRX Sti then he'd have the edge tho!
Old 11 October 2005, 01:43 PM
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if his scoob is new he will also suffer badly from the engine being tight (need >6k miles and more like 12k before giving best) even then if you don't loose out too much at the start (scoobs ace is 0-60) you'll at least stay with him and possibly pull a little.

It sounds like he's one of the many people who buy a scoob (even STI's) and think they'll muller everything else on the road, he's probably in for a suprise. Just be ready for the excuses ('I'd have had you in the twisties..!' lol which he wouldn't if it's standard)

Does he realise your ORS is remapped..?

Should be interesting, any chance you can get it video'd, esp. the guy's face after..!

Keep us informed...
Old 11 October 2005, 01:45 PM
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why is the skoda likely to win?

its 5 bhp + 70 ft/lb down - is it the 2wd vs 4wd (after the initial benefit)

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Old 11 October 2005, 01:49 PM
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Has no-one driven an Octy?

You'll destroy him as long as you get off the line quickly (ie not sat spinning)

Your Octy will have loads more power at the wheels.

BTW Newage Scoob driver

Took a vRS out for a test drive and was quite impressed apart from it seemed a little breathless at high revs
Old 11 October 2005, 02:04 PM
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If it pi**es down with rain your fooked !

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Old 11 October 2005, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobfan
If it pi**es down with rain your fooked !

Rob
lol can't be as bad as a CTR I took out for a test drive
Old 11 October 2005, 02:20 PM
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If its over the full 2 mile you may beat it. Still close though.

Over 1/4 mile I doubt it, if he dials in 5K revs and then lets go of the clutch pedal you will need more than 220bhp to regain the startline distance he has just gained (about 3 car lengths).

Let us know how it goes.
Old 11 October 2005, 02:22 PM
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I just can't see a 220 bhp front wheel drive car getting the edge on a 4wd car
with similar power.

Although the driver input would have alot to do with it.

Rob
Old 11 October 2005, 02:36 PM
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I can only comment on a standard VRS which would have no chance, it runs out of revs too quickly, but I would imagine a remap would be totally different.
Old 11 October 2005, 02:45 PM
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I suspect that gearing may be your downfall. As the previous poster comments, you may simply "run out of revs".

If your gearing is such that you can attain high speeds while still within your power band, you should have a really good chance
Old 11 October 2005, 02:52 PM
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I lost - by 3 car lengths at 130mph. However, I was that confident that I decided to cary a camera operator.

http://www.philgooch.com/octavia/race1.avi

13.3m avi file
Old 11 October 2005, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Goochie
I lost - by 3 car lengths at 130mph. However, I was that confident that I decided to cary a camera operator.

http://www.philgooch.com/octavia/race1.avi

13.3m avi file
You might want to change your 'location' on your details to 'Getting killed by a scooby over 2 miles even with a remap' - if this is too long then just remove the over 2 miles even with a remap or to plaigurise toyota - 'The car infront is a Scooby

I am suprised to see a WRX beat anything powered by anything more than wind power - it appears thay are good for nothing according to the Other Marques section

Liked the vid BTW!
Old 11 October 2005, 03:02 PM
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Nice try mate!!! Excellent video though
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Old 11 October 2005, 03:07 PM
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Nice vid
Old 11 October 2005, 03:35 PM
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Great video - still a surprising Skoda !!!

and it goes to show that a std newage WRX (in this case a wagon) isnt as slow as some people on here would have you believe !!
Old 11 October 2005, 03:44 PM
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Told Ya !!

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Old 11 October 2005, 03:48 PM
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I am surprised The scoobie did not get a good launch by the looks of things, yet still it out pulled you!

Are you sure you have as much power as you think? I really would have thought that you should have at least stayed with him once you got off the line.

Oh well
Old 11 October 2005, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Luminous
Are you sure you have as much power as you think?
Fair point this actually, some of these re-mapping places have been know to be a little on the optimistic side with the power figures....
Old 11 October 2005, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
Fair point this actually, some of these re-mapping places have been know to be a little on the optimistic side with the power figures....
I remember reading somewhere that the turbo on the vRS is only good for 215bhp no matter what the mappers claim. I used to have a Jabba mapped vRS that put out 230bhp....

The butt dyno said it was fast between 30-70

Steve
Old 11 October 2005, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by robertdon777
If its over the full 2 mile you may beat it. Still close though.

Over 1/4 mile I doubt it, if he dials in 5K revs and then lets go of the clutch pedal you will need more than 220bhp to regain the startline distance he has just gained (about 3 car lengths).

Let us know how it goes.

I was close in my guess but i thought the scoob would gain the three car lengths at the start (must be saving his clutch).
Old 11 October 2005, 04:57 PM
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Great video. Nice to see the results even if they weren't in your favour.

Interesting result.
Old 11 October 2005, 05:19 PM
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Great video to watch. People can talk all they want, but when you see it in reality it's much better. Shame you didn't beat him, but good on the WRX!!

I think it's a little more than 3 car lengths
Old 11 October 2005, 05:56 PM
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A chipped VRS might have 220 hp and 230 lbft but it will be making that power over a very small part of the rev range, where as the WRX will be holding its power for much longer.
Old 11 October 2005, 06:11 PM
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Its nice to see for once a new WRX proving a point that us WRX owners already know!!.
Old 11 October 2005, 06:42 PM
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Any chance you can let anyone else onto that airfield???
Old 11 October 2005, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Frazer
A chipped VRS might have 220 hp and 230 lbft but it will be making that power over a very small part of the rev range, where as the WRX will be holding its power for much longer.
Comparing dyno plots of a mapped vRS and a standard WRX they both appear to make 90% of peak power from about 70-75% of their maximum engine speed upwards. If anything the style of a lot of remapped VAG motors is massive midrange torque so the power peaks early and holds a long time. Compression ratio, octane, gearbox, clutch, traction and intercooling are the big limitations, otherwise you could make peak power really early and hold it near its peak almost as soon as you can get the turbo to spool up.


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