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07 July 2005, 02:11 PM
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lost control at 30mph
i was drivering back from southamton after just picking my 1994 subaru wrx wagon up which i brought from japan, about 10 miles from home and got to a set of lights,stopped and when the lights went green took off like normal and got to this corner and i was doing around 30-35mph and the car just went slideing to the left and when i mean slideing a mean from one lane to the other and it was raining but i was shock why it lost control just like that.
got home and found out that it had snow tyres on it is this normal for the handling to be so crap with snow tyres ?
got home and found out that it had snow tyres on it is this normal for the handling to be so crap with snow tyres ?
07 July 2005, 02:15 PM
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Never tried them on a Scoob, but I put them on a Golf one winter, and yes, they loose a huge amount of grip when it isn't snowing / muddy. Make the steering really light too, which suggests how little rubber touches the tarmac
07 July 2005, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pwhittle
Never tried them on a Scoob, but I put them on a Golf one winter, and yes, they loose a huge amount of grip when it isn't snowing / muddy. Make the steering really light too, which suggests how little rubber touches the tarmac
07 July 2005, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LIDDO
Does it snow in Japan???
07 July 2005, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pwhittle
Never tried them on a Scoob, but I put them on a Golf one winter, and yes, they loose a huge amount of grip when it isn't snowing / muddy. Make the steering really light too, which suggests how little rubber touches the tarmac
Sorry but you are not accurate with that post (read that as being wrong
)Winter tyres are designed to cope with all that winter throws at it.
They are exceptional in rain, far more so than your standard summer tyre so I doubt that the type of tyre had any effect on his car control. However, if it was a particularly cheap & nasty tyre, andt they were worn and under/over inflated then it could cause handling probs - But that could apply to a summer tyre!
I still have winter tyres fitted to my car as I've not got around to changing back, and I suffer no bad effects. They're good quality (over £100 per tyre) and were brilliant when driving in the Alps this winter (Could still drive up hills when -18 temps over thick ice/snow).
They have a high silica content which makes them a lot more grippy a low temps (normal rubber in tyres goes hard and has zero grip) and the tread pattern is designed to displace rain and snow very efficiently. They also perform well under normal conditions.
The only down side is that they will wear out a lot quicker in warmer dry conditions.
My Tyre tread:
My post is of no help to the original poster tho!
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07 July 2005, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 4X4BOB
Sorry but you are not accurate with that post (read that as being wrong )
Winter tyres are designed to cope with all that winter throws at it.
They are exceptional in rain, far more so than your standard summer tyre so I doubt that the type of tyre had any effect on his car control. However, if it was a particularly cheap & nasty tyre, andt they were worn and under/over inflated then it could cause handling probs - But that could apply to a summer tyre!
I still have winter tyres fitted to my car as I've not got around to changing back, and I suffer no bad effects. They're good quality (over £100 per tyre) and were brilliant when driving in the Alps this winter (Could still drive up hills when -18 temps over thick ice/snow).
They have a high silica content which makes them a lot more grippy a low temps (normal rubber in tyres goes hard and has zero grip) and the tread pattern is designed to displace rain and snow very efficiently. They also perform well under normal conditions.
The only down side is that they will wear out a lot quicker in warmer dry conditions.
My Tyre tread:
My post is of no help to the original poster tho!
)Winter tyres are designed to cope with all that winter throws at it.
They are exceptional in rain, far more so than your standard summer tyre so I doubt that the type of tyre had any effect on his car control. However, if it was a particularly cheap & nasty tyre, andt they were worn and under/over inflated then it could cause handling probs - But that could apply to a summer tyre!
I still have winter tyres fitted to my car as I've not got around to changing back, and I suffer no bad effects. They're good quality (over £100 per tyre) and were brilliant when driving in the Alps this winter (Could still drive up hills when -18 temps over thick ice/snow).
They have a high silica content which makes them a lot more grippy a low temps (normal rubber in tyres goes hard and has zero grip) and the tread pattern is designed to displace rain and snow very efficiently. They also perform well under normal conditions.
The only down side is that they will wear out a lot quicker in warmer dry conditions.
My Tyre tread:
My post is of no help to the original poster tho!
07 July 2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LIDDO
Why the **** would a JAP car have snow tyres???? Does it snow in Japan???
Where do you think they had the japanese winter olympics was held a few years ago??? on a dry slope?
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07 July 2005, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wrx,sti
Must be a bit of diesel on the road
07 July 2005, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gutmann pug
Where do you think they had the japanese winter olympics was held a few years ago??? on a dry slope?
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07 July 2005, 05:07 PM
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Beat me to it You often find a lot of Jap imports have rubber studded tyres fitted - these would definetly behave oddly in wet conditions!
07 July 2005, 05:38 PM
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Have to say my experience of snow tires is a *lot* less grip in dry / light rain than a conventional sport tyre. They may never aquaplane, but there's just more scope for the tread blocks to move around.
Also found that when my scoob went from S-02's to crappy avons it reduced it to much more mortal cornering standards... tires are a very big part of the 'mental grip' equation.
Also found that when my scoob went from S-02's to crappy avons it reduced it to much more mortal cornering standards... tires are a very big part of the 'mental grip' equation.
07 July 2005, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 4X4BOB
Sorry but you are not accurate with that post (read that as being wrong )
Winter tyres are designed to cope with all that winter throws at it.
They are exceptional in rain, far more so than your standard summer tyre so I doubt that the type of tyre had any effect on his car control. However, if it was a particularly cheap & nasty tyre, andt they were worn and under/over inflated then it could cause handling probs - But that could apply to a summer tyre!
I still have winter tyres fitted to my car as I've not got around to changing back, and I suffer no bad effects. They're good quality (over £100 per tyre) and were brilliant when driving in the Alps this winter (Could still drive up hills when -18 temps over thick ice/snow).
They have a high silica content which makes them a lot more grippy a low temps (normal rubber in tyres goes hard and has zero grip) and the tread pattern is designed to displace rain and snow very efficiently. They also perform well under normal conditions.
The only down side is that they will wear out a lot quicker in warmer dry conditions.
My Tyre tread:
My post is of no help to the original poster tho!
)Winter tyres are designed to cope with all that winter throws at it.
They are exceptional in rain, far more so than your standard summer tyre so I doubt that the type of tyre had any effect on his car control. However, if it was a particularly cheap & nasty tyre, andt they were worn and under/over inflated then it could cause handling probs - But that could apply to a summer tyre!
I still have winter tyres fitted to my car as I've not got around to changing back, and I suffer no bad effects. They're good quality (over £100 per tyre) and were brilliant when driving in the Alps this winter (Could still drive up hills when -18 temps over thick ice/snow).
They have a high silica content which makes them a lot more grippy a low temps (normal rubber in tyres goes hard and has zero grip) and the tread pattern is designed to displace rain and snow very efficiently. They also perform well under normal conditions.
The only down side is that they will wear out a lot quicker in warmer dry conditions.
My Tyre tread:
My post is of no help to the original poster tho!
His car and my car had snow tyres fitted, not winter tyres.
Maybe expensive winter tyres are fab I wouldn't know. Doesn't sound like Mushy's car had those though.
You work for Pirelli by any chance?
07 July 2005, 10:47 PM
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i have these snow tyres on my car have had them since i got it its a jap .. and yes have been sliding in my car . when i first got it .
round a corner at 35 side ways .. and at the time i was telling me misses how safe and good the car was .. lol
its the tyres mate trust me there not much better In the dry ether mine
ad some scary times ..
round a corner at 35 side ways .. and at the time i was telling me misses how safe and good the car was .. lol
its the tyres mate trust me there not much better In the dry ether mine
ad some scary times ..
07 July 2005, 11:07 PM
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My Scoob came over from Japan with Bridgestone blizzark tyres on. I researched and found that they were snow tyres.
In the dry they were fine but in the wet they were ridiculous. If I put my foot down at any speed even on straights I could feel power shifting from wheel to wheel as they lost and regained grip. The car made a snaking motion. On corners I would almost always get oversteer. Roundabouts were a nightmare. I had to crawl round them. I kept these tyres for about 6 months till I could afford to replace them. I didn`t get to find out the true handling capability of the Impreza till I changed all four tyres.
Once I had Goodyears on the difference was unbelievable. It`s like a different car in the wet.
I reccommend that you change tyres as soon as you can afford to. You can get some pretty good prices if you shop about online.
In the dry they were fine but in the wet they were ridiculous. If I put my foot down at any speed even on straights I could feel power shifting from wheel to wheel as they lost and regained grip. The car made a snaking motion. On corners I would almost always get oversteer. Roundabouts were a nightmare. I had to crawl round them. I kept these tyres for about 6 months till I could afford to replace them. I didn`t get to find out the true handling capability of the Impreza till I changed all four tyres.
Once I had Goodyears on the difference was unbelievable. It`s like a different car in the wet.
I reccommend that you change tyres as soon as you can afford to. You can get some pretty good prices if you shop about online.
07 July 2005, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by WRX-MUSHY
i was drivering back from southamton after just picking my 1994 subaru wrx wagon up which i brought from japan, about 10 miles from home and got to a set of lights,stopped and when the lights went green took off like normal and got to this corner and i was doing around 30-35mph and the car just went slideing to the left and when i mean slideing a mean from one lane to the other and it was raining but i was shock why it lost control just like that.
got home and found out that it had snow tyres on it is this normal for the handling to be so crap with snow tyres ?
got home and found out that it had snow tyres on it is this normal for the handling to be so crap with snow tyres ?
Simon
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07 July 2005, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bing_2004
My Scoob came over from Japan with Bridgestone blizzark tyres on. I researched and found that they were snow tyres.
In the dry they were fine but in the wet they were ridiculous. If I put my foot down at any speed even on straights I could feel power shifting from wheel to wheel as they lost and regained grip. The car made a snaking motion. On corners I would almost always get oversteer. Roundabouts were a nightmare. I had to crawl round them. I kept these tyres for about 6 months till I could afford to replace them. I didn`t get to find out the true handling capability of the Impreza till I changed all four tyres.
Once I had Goodyears on the difference was unbelievable. It`s like a different car in the wet.
I reccommend that you change tyres as soon as you can afford to. You can get some pretty good prices if you shop about online.
In the dry they were fine but in the wet they were ridiculous. If I put my foot down at any speed even on straights I could feel power shifting from wheel to wheel as they lost and regained grip. The car made a snaking motion. On corners I would almost always get oversteer. Roundabouts were a nightmare. I had to crawl round them. I kept these tyres for about 6 months till I could afford to replace them. I didn`t get to find out the true handling capability of the Impreza till I changed all four tyres.
Once I had Goodyears on the difference was unbelievable. It`s like a different car in the wet.
I reccommend that you change tyres as soon as you can afford to. You can get some pretty good prices if you shop about online.
08 July 2005, 09:48 AM
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Possible other cause - with Jap imports they may well have been sitting around in some warehouse for ages before coming over, and the tyres have hardened or started to perish.
This happens all the time with import bikes from Japan - the first thing anyone does is put decent new tyres on.
Think the fad for snow tyres in Japan is maybe because they have less grip though ? they're all into that drift racing over there, so maybe that would explain it.
This happens all the time with import bikes from Japan - the first thing anyone does is put decent new tyres on.
Think the fad for snow tyres in Japan is maybe because they have less grip though ? they're all into that drift racing over there, so maybe that would explain it.
08 July 2005, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeCardiff
Possible other cause - with Jap imports they may well have been sitting around in some warehouse for ages before coming over, and the tyres have hardened or started to perish.
This happens all the time with import bikes from Japan - the first thing anyone does is put decent new tyres on.
Think the fad for snow tyres in Japan is maybe because they have less grip though ? they're all into that drift racing over there, so maybe that would explain it.
This happens all the time with import bikes from Japan - the first thing anyone does is put decent new tyres on.
Think the fad for snow tyres in Japan is maybe because they have less grip though ? they're all into that drift racing over there, so maybe that would explain it.
08 July 2005, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeCardiff
Probably worth just swapping them all over for something decent anyway to be on the safe side.
Nobodys' mentioned these lethal tyred imports that are allowed to roam the streets could well be the next thing heading straight for you, sideways!!
However, I thought the SVA didn't allow these tyres on our roads?
08 July 2005, 03:16 PM
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Understatement of the year!
Nobodys' mentioned these lethal tyred imports that are allowed to roam the streets could well be the next thing heading straight for you, sideways!!
However, I thought the SVA didn't allow these tyres on our roads?
Nobodys' mentioned these lethal tyred imports that are allowed to roam the streets could well be the next thing heading straight for you, sideways!!
However, I thought the SVA didn't allow these tyres on our roads?
08 July 2005, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pwhittle
Don't need SVA on 10 year old cars.
09 July 2005, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by WRX-MUSHY
i was drivering back from southamton after just picking my 1994 subaru wrx wagon up which i brought from japan, about 10 miles from home and got to a set of lights,stopped and when the lights went green took off like normal and got to this corner and i was doing around 30-35mph and the car just went slideing to the left and when i mean slideing a mean from one lane to the other and it was raining but i was shock why it lost control just like that.
got home and found out that it had snow tyres on it is this normal for the handling to be so crap with snow tyres ?
got home and found out that it had snow tyres on it is this normal for the handling to be so crap with snow tyres ?
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