Are WRX`s "slow" ???
24 June 2005, 10:17 PM
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Are WRX`s "slow" ???
I ask this with my tongue firmly in my cheek, because I have recently bought a new WRX, and I actually think it`s pretty bloody quick !
I am enquiring though, because I see quite a lot of comments on here like "it`s actually only a WRX, so not that quick", and " a standard WRX won`t trouble much these days anyway".
So, I`ll remind you of my question, and ask you if you really think that it`s "slow", or is this just a bit of snobbery from the STi boys ?
Footnote: Never driven an STi, but would love to.
I am enquiring though, because I see quite a lot of comments on here like "it`s actually only a WRX, so not that quick", and " a standard WRX won`t trouble much these days anyway".
So, I`ll remind you of my question, and ask you if you really think that it`s "slow", or is this just a bit of snobbery from the STi boys ?
Footnote: Never driven an STi, but would love to.
24 June 2005, 10:42 PM
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put this way,people seem to think cars like the civic type R etc are fast cars! your wrx will keep up no trouble at all! the problem is that the sti is breath takingly quick! 
24 June 2005, 10:48 PM
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Car will start to feel slower as you get used to it. Then you mod it a bit. Then you will get used to it and it will start to feel slower. Then you mod it a bit, and you get used to it etc. blah etc. See a pattern emerging?
24 June 2005, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by peachy wrx
put this way,people seem to think cars like the civic type R etc are fast cars! your wrx will keep up no trouble at all! the problem is that the sti is breath takingly quick!
And yes mate, you are correct in that the WRX will keep up with one, and will, in actual fact be quicker in every road situation (certainly that I`ve experienced anyway.) Just be mindful though, IMO the CTR is fast, and a well-driven one would be nobody`s pushover.
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24 June 2005, 11:21 PM
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An STi has more numbers on paper but in reality it might not equate to a WRX on the road. All cars are different - I've been on rolling roads where some cars look, sound and pronounce they are the dogs danglies yet the figures have proved otherwise 
I've an oldish Sti and it's quite commendable numberwise
I've an oldish Sti and it's quite commendable numberwise
24 June 2005, 11:39 PM
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An STi has more numbers on paper but in reality it might not equate to a WRX on the road. All cars are different - I've been on rolling roads where some cars look, sound and pronounce they are the dogs danglies yet the figures have proved otherwise I've an oldish Sti and it's quite commendable numberwise
I've an oldish Sti and it's quite commendable numberwise 
25 June 2005, 12:47 AM
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I think this all stems from a decade ago
10 years ago the impreza was just getting popular, had 208 BHP with a bigger turbo, so when it did kick in, it came with a shove. This was in a time where GTI's of the day were soft and not much to talk about. 208 BHP in a 1200kg car was only matched by a handful of cars - none for the money. It was a cut above the rest, not only blistering performance but flattering to drive.
Nowadays the WRX has a handful more HP, with the excess baggage. It is slower compared to its daddy. But not ony that but the hot hatch market has never been so boyant and competative. So much so that yes, the type R's and clio cups do match in gear acceleration times, for less money.
Not saying that WRX's are slow, because they are not. They still leave most from standstill, but the perception that they are punching above their weight has gone, especially if you judge performace from the 3rd lane of the motorway, where most WRX 'scalps' come from
IMO
10 years ago the impreza was just getting popular, had 208 BHP with a bigger turbo, so when it did kick in, it came with a shove. This was in a time where GTI's of the day were soft and not much to talk about. 208 BHP in a 1200kg car was only matched by a handful of cars - none for the money. It was a cut above the rest, not only blistering performance but flattering to drive.
Nowadays the WRX has a handful more HP, with the excess baggage. It is slower compared to its daddy. But not ony that but the hot hatch market has never been so boyant and competative. So much so that yes, the type R's and clio cups do match in gear acceleration times, for less money.
Not saying that WRX's are slow, because they are not. They still leave most from standstill, but the perception that they are punching above their weight has gone, especially if you judge performace from the 3rd lane of the motorway, where most WRX 'scalps' come from
IMO
25 June 2005, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay m A
I think this all stems from a decade ago
10 years ago the impreza was just getting popular, had 208 BHP with a bigger turbo, so when it did kick in, it came with a shove. This was in a time where GTI's of the day were soft and not much to talk about. 208 BHP in a 1200kg car was only matched by a handful of cars - none for the money. It was a cut above the rest, not only blistering performance but flattering to drive.
Nowadays the WRX has a handful more HP, with the excess baggage. It is slower compared to its daddy. But not ony that but the hot hatch market has never been so boyant and competative. So much so that yes, the type R's and clio cups do match in gear acceleration times, for less money.
Not saying that WRX's are slow, because they are not. They still leave most from standstill, but the perception that they are punching above their weight has gone, especially if you judge performace from the 3rd lane of the motorway, where most WRX 'scalps' come from
IMO
10 years ago the impreza was just getting popular, had 208 BHP with a bigger turbo, so when it did kick in, it came with a shove. This was in a time where GTI's of the day were soft and not much to talk about. 208 BHP in a 1200kg car was only matched by a handful of cars - none for the money. It was a cut above the rest, not only blistering performance but flattering to drive.
Nowadays the WRX has a handful more HP, with the excess baggage. It is slower compared to its daddy. But not ony that but the hot hatch market has never been so boyant and competative. So much so that yes, the type R's and clio cups do match in gear acceleration times, for less money.
Not saying that WRX's are slow, because they are not. They still leave most from standstill, but the perception that they are punching above their weight has gone, especially if you judge performace from the 3rd lane of the motorway, where most WRX 'scalps' come from
IMO
25 June 2005, 01:36 AM
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my WRX is still faster then both my 1.8 mondeo and my trusty mountain bike! 
Originally Posted by Jay m A
I think this all stems from a decade ago
10 years ago the impreza was just getting popular, had 208 BHP with a bigger turbo, so when it did kick in, it came with a shove. This was in a time where GTI's of the day were soft and not much to talk about. 208 BHP in a 1200kg car was only matched by a handful of cars - none for the money. It was a cut above the rest, not only blistering performance but flattering to drive.
Nowadays the WRX has a handful more HP, with the excess baggage. It is slower compared to its daddy. But not ony that but the hot hatch market has never been so boyant and competative. So much so that yes, the type R's and clio cups do match in gear acceleration times, for less money.
Not saying that WRX's are slow, because they are not. They still leave most from standstill, but the perception that they are punching above their weight has gone, especially if you judge performace from the 3rd lane of the motorway, where most WRX 'scalps' come from
IMO
10 years ago the impreza was just getting popular, had 208 BHP with a bigger turbo, so when it did kick in, it came with a shove. This was in a time where GTI's of the day were soft and not much to talk about. 208 BHP in a 1200kg car was only matched by a handful of cars - none for the money. It was a cut above the rest, not only blistering performance but flattering to drive.
Nowadays the WRX has a handful more HP, with the excess baggage. It is slower compared to its daddy. But not ony that but the hot hatch market has never been so boyant and competative. So much so that yes, the type R's and clio cups do match in gear acceleration times, for less money.
Not saying that WRX's are slow, because they are not. They still leave most from standstill, but the perception that they are punching above their weight has gone, especially if you judge performace from the 3rd lane of the motorway, where most WRX 'scalps' come from
IMO
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25 June 2005, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
They are not slow, just not as quick as an STi
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Slow is a vectra diesel!
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25 June 2005, 04:52 AM
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i'm a current owner of a wrx and i dont find it slow but what makes them seem slower is that the turbo doesn't kick in as big as the classic and i think it's to appeal to the wider market i.e. it's easier to drive and doesn't scare the peeps that drive around in scooby's just to say they own one, and not the real peeps that like to know how it works and how to get more out of it, all within the law of course
25 June 2005, 08:10 AM
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UK model's
Now then fella's,
I think people buy the UK WRX model and expect more, standard WRX models imported from Japan have always had a significant increase in BHP, MY 1995 imports had 265BHP as standard which is the same as some of the recent UK STI's.
The standard MY 1997 WRX Japanese imports had 280BHP, quite a big difference compared to the 210 ish BHP of the UK models.
Cheer's,
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I think people buy the UK WRX model and expect more, standard WRX models imported from Japan have always had a significant increase in BHP, MY 1995 imports had 265BHP as standard which is the same as some of the recent UK STI's.
The standard MY 1997 WRX Japanese imports had 280BHP, quite a big difference compared to the 210 ish BHP of the UK models.
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25 June 2005, 09:59 AM
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That new WRX will be as tight as hell to start with, it’s won’t want to rev at all till it’s got at least 2000 miles on it. A WRX is a very quick car in standard form, add PPP and they are really serious; the brakes are the limiting factor….
25 June 2005, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by xpeachyloux
new age wrx's are slower than the sti's due to the power difference! classic wrx's are not......my old MY98 wrx was 276 bhp 242 lb standard! even the MY95 wrx's are 260 bhp!!!!!!
25 June 2005, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dexter
I am enquiring though, because I see quite a lot of comments on here like "it`s actually only a WRX, so not that quick", and " a standard WRX won`t trouble much these days anyway".
Footnote: Never driven an STi, but would love to.
You have to remember that you get used to performance and will always want more, regardless of what level you start from WRX, STi, etc... That doesn't mean that the car is slow though, just that your reference points have been elevated.
The WRX is also designed to be a bit more of a "smoothy" tha the STi, so it delivers its power in a more subtle way and with less drama. This is deceptive though; it's still moving at some pace!
Scooby doesn't have the affordable performance saloon market to itself anymore, so in relation to the other performance cars out there, it's advantages have diminished somewhat - leading to some of the "not that quick" comments. BUT it was doing all this over 10 years ago, when the Type R etc hadn't even been thought of. Even now, it's still quicker than most -if not all- of its competitors on paper. In the real world I still reckon its the best affordable performance car, not just because of the way it goes, but because of its character and the way that the performance/everydays useability criteria have been resolved.
If that doesn't convince you, some fairly simple mods to a WRX will take it to a reliable 270-280bhp.
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25 June 2005, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pimmo2000
no one ever mentions the turbo 2000, is this the same power as a WRX ?
25 June 2005, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JCScooby
yeah i know, iv got a turbo2000 in all, but it rarely gets talked about. i reckon it cant be much slower than a WRX. i love the standard look of the 2000.
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Originally Posted by wwp8
i think mine is quite slow 
my01 you need to keep the revs high to actually feel something
my01 you need to keep the revs high to actually feel something1) A liar/muppet.
2) Has access to some serious kit!
Number two kind of undermines the whole "affordable" rationale though! :-)
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25 June 2005, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wwp8
i think mine is quite slow my01 you need to keep the revs high to actually feel something
my01 you need to keep the revs high to actually feel something