Prodrive PFF7 Replicas??
14 May 2005, 11:49 PM
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Prodrive PFF7 Replicas??
Anyone got these on a classic, and anyone know if they're strong enough to take the forces exurted on them by a Scooby?? i.e the one's from Revolution and Scoobymania?
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15 May 2005, 08:52 AM
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Hello Tiss
Is this what your looking for Rota Redlines.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=425017
Got them through a group buy.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=405212
Hope this helps
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Is this what your looking for Rota Redlines.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=425017
Got them through a group buy.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=405212
Hope this helps
Tony.
15 May 2005, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiss
Anyone got these on a classic, and anyone know if they're strong enough to take the forces exurted on them by a Scooby?? i.e the one's from Revolution and Scoobymania?
Regards
Chris
Regards
Chris
Hi Chris
Haven't seen them on a classic but they will fit with correct tyre size. Put some on my Sti7 last week after doing some searching on Scoobynet. I am very happy with mine. IIRC they are rated at 650kg each. Bought mine from Revolution £959 delivered with Toyo Proxies. They look a different gold to the Redline wheels.
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15 May 2005, 02:25 PM
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A guy from the company whom makes these came on here and testified that they were fully compliant with the regulations governing wheel strength (whatever they are 
) after I expressed the same worries on another thread after a mate of mine had bought some. The logic behind the "PFF" name is the "Flow Formed" bit, which I am told is a process which expells more air from the alloy during casting, increasing strength which allows them to use less material (hence less weight) to gain the same integrity. The copies are made in the old traditional gravitiy formed way, and so cannot be as strong, but are reputedly strong enough.
You pays your money, you takes your chance I guess. I don't recall seeing anyone post with a problem so far though.
) after I expressed the same worries on another thread after a mate of mine had bought some. The logic behind the "PFF" name is the "Flow Formed" bit, which I am told is a process which expells more air from the alloy during casting, increasing strength which allows them to use less material (hence less weight) to gain the same integrity. The copies are made in the old traditional gravitiy formed way, and so cannot be as strong, but are reputedly strong enough.You pays your money, you takes your chance I guess. I don't recall seeing anyone post with a problem so far though.
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If a 5x100 PCD wheel is submitted for VIA & JWL it can NOT be rated at 650kg which suggests to us that this wheel hasn't been tested to these standards, the logos have just been left on there when the wheel was copied from our design. The major problem with doing that though is, as corradoboy correctly states, the original wheel rim is flowformed which gives you a much stronger rim at a lower weight than is possible with conventional cast wheels.
Just spotted something else as well, your tyres look like they are load rated at 88W which isn't enough for an STi, the original tyre has a higher load rating.
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If a 5x100 PCD wheel is submitted for VIA & JWL it can NOT be rated at 650kg which suggests to us that this wheel hasn't been tested to these standards, the logos have just been left on there when the wheel was copied from our design. The major problem with doing that though is, as corradoboy correctly states, the original wheel rim is flowformed which gives you a much stronger rim at a lower weight than is possible with conventional cast wheels.
Just spotted something else as well, your tyres look like they are load rated at 88W which isn't enough for an STi, the original tyre has a higher load rating.
Mike
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18 May 2005, 03:55 PM
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i am just waiting for someone to break a replica and say it is not fair-i skimped on £600 on a £20,000 car,if you are sneaky price of prodrive wheels=£1600 -sidc discount 10%=£1440 -supplying your own tyres at much cheaper price than subaru=money saved and you have the originals and not unproven replicas.when i was thinking about 18" wheels i was offered 20% off rrp by one subaru garage-you have to be daft to pay full price it just depends if you can be bothered
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18 May 2005, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy
Well, that's pissed on your chips 
Weight of Impreza = 1475Kg
Maximum payoad = 405kg
Toatal weight = 1880Kg
divide by 4 wheels = 470Kg
88W rating = 560 KG
People may say that the factor of safety is reduced, and they would be right. But why use a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
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20 May 2005, 07:23 PM
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Are these wheels safe then? Also I presume Mike has something to do with Prodrive as you said when they copy "our" wheels the logo was just left on?
Also anyone got the other wheels in the above pic?
Also anyone got the other wheels in the above pic?
20 May 2005, 10:35 PM
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You need to look on the chassis plate under the bonnet which has the gvw figures on it. The max axle load is over 1000kg (not got an Impreza at home so can't check the figures) The max load on the side of the tyre will be at a high pressure as well such as 50psi wheras you'll be running 35psi max I assume.
The basics are that it's a lower load rating than the std tyre so you need to be sure that it complies with ETRTO regs. I'll dig them out on Monday when I'm in the office.
Whatever the regs say, we have yet to find an 88 load rated tyre that works well on a later Impreza as they can't cope with the cornering loads on the front, our latest tyre for the STi is a 95.
Mike
You need to look on the chassis plate under the bonnet which has the gvw figures on it. The max axle load is over 1000kg (not got an Impreza at home so can't check the figures) The max load on the side of the tyre will be at a high pressure as well such as 50psi wheras you'll be running 35psi max I assume.
The basics are that it's a lower load rating than the std tyre so you need to be sure that it complies with ETRTO regs. I'll dig them out on Monday when I'm in the office.
Whatever the regs say, we have yet to find an 88 load rated tyre that works well on a later Impreza as they can't cope with the cornering loads on the front, our latest tyre for the STi is a 95.
Mike
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Originally Posted by Tiss
Anyone got these on a classic, and anyone know if they're strong enough to take the forces exurted on them by a Scooby?? i.e the one's from Revolution and Scoobymania?
Regards
Chris
Regards
Chris
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FWIW
I will not touch replica wheels after a really bad experience with a set of Alpina replicas for my old E34 M5. They looked great but within a week all 4 had become buckled. I tried to get a refund but was told that I must have hit a pothole (with all 4 wheels!!?). I will now only buy genuine manufacturer's wheels or ones from brand name companies who have a reputation to lose. I just worry about the results of a wheel falling apart during some enthusiastic cornering.
I guess I'm saying that you get what you pay for but is it worth the risk to save a few hundred pounds?
I will not touch replica wheels after a really bad experience with a set of Alpina replicas for my old E34 M5. They looked great but within a week all 4 had become buckled. I tried to get a refund but was told that I must have hit a pothole (with all 4 wheels!!?). I will now only buy genuine manufacturer's wheels or ones from brand name companies who have a reputation to lose. I just worry about the results of a wheel falling apart during some enthusiastic cornering.
I guess I'm saying that you get what you pay for but is it worth the risk to save a few hundred pounds?
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I'm wondering about the legal implications of these replicas....
They have obviously copied directly from a Prodrive wheel (including the JWL and VIA logos) when I very much doubt they have been tested to those particular standards.
I would certainly want to see a copy of the official documentation (to prove strength levels etc) before I would ever consider a set on any car of mine.
Wobbly.
They have obviously copied directly from a Prodrive wheel (including the JWL and VIA logos) when I very much doubt they have been tested to those particular standards.
I would certainly want to see a copy of the official documentation (to prove strength levels etc) before I would ever consider a set on any car of mine.
Wobbly.
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