GREGGYG

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Which is the best all rounder, and how do I know which one to choose? I presume they all have plus and minus points, warranty aside. My car is an 03 STi. I just want a smooth, reliable power/torque increase that is within the design envelope of the engine.

Bartop

PPP will only give you 300 for a start which may rule it out for you - also more expensive and if warranty isn't an issue one of the others might suit better

GRIFF007

I have same car with PPP - absolute rocket on Optimax and perfectly smooth with no lag - dont run on standard or dodgy super as this will affect performance.

Exhaust sounds WRCesque with the window down and very muted with it up. - 1st & 2nd are somply brutal, whilst 3rd, 4th & 5th are just alarming! - Took a couple of friends out tother day (full tank and 45 stone - 5.625 cwt! - of occupants) and their comments were that ' its a fairground ride - a scary fairground ride - not a car - brutal'

Not tried 333, but would like to

GRIFF007

by the wayWRC330 is that the Silverstone conversion? - If so - how much and how long have they been going?

Mog

"Evo" mag did a comparision of those along with the Roger Clark conversion and a few others a few months back, but can't remember which edition.

Mog

Hotpants

Regarding that 'EVO' mag comparison , the TSL333 came tops for what they called 'PPP equivalent conversions' while the 15 grand 'Roger Clark Motorsport' conversion came tops overall with about 450bhp I think. Will hunt out the back issue today and post it up.

GRIFF007

Spoke to TSL tother day - the chap was quite brusk and off-hand to say the least (wasnt the s/w chap) - owner?

SC008Y_MAD

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I too have/read that issue with the shoot out. great read.

Darren

NoCatSTI

I have the TSL 333 mod on my V7 STI it is awsome, i also have the No Cat Group N exhaust which was a 'mistake' by TSL but once i had heard it I couldnt really give it back!! Cost 2.5K Total, but so worth it... and passed the MOT first time at a normal local garage, was a bit worried without the CATs fitted. TSL are super busy people, they turn customers away!! thats how popular they are, but that said they where gents to me, the owner is a bit scary behind the wheel as well, he drives your car with the test engineer looking at your map before they accept your car, just in case there are any dodgy mods on the vehicle... they are thorough, but very professional, i would recomend them,

cheers Paul

p1doc

i had ppp and got 333 much smoother more powerful basically better!
graham is a fast driver and richard is a spot on mapper what more do you want?oh yes you get discounted food at the pub next door
martin

matt-c

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It would be great if someone could scan that article in EVO, I'm a subscriber and i remember seeing it, but didn't have the Scoob then, now i regret throwing the mag out.

Gutmann pug

Is it a UK car that you have? If the answer is yes then ppp is the only way to keep your warranty. If its not or your not bothered about your warranty then the world is your lobster..... I have the 333 and i'm very very happy.

Oh and to the guy who spoke to TSL and thought they were a little off I expect you spoke to Graham, who is trousers Dad and yes he is a little off when it comes to customer service, he also ownes the joint. Ring back and speak to Gavin, that would be my advice.....

Gary

As for comparisons as said read the old EVO mag but to be honest I doubt on normal road use you will find that much difference between all your choices.

Hotpants

Found the issue of Evo magazine that the comparison was in! It's the June 2004 issue and is about 10 pages long. As mentioned a great read & well worth trying to get hold of. I haven't got a scanner or I'd try to post it up !

TSL 333 came top for the more modest packages , while the 15k Roger Clark Engine Rebuild type conversion came out tops for the 'Money no object' section.

LeighF

Myself and MSP1 are of upto WRC Tech to have their 330 package fitted to both our 02 STi's (both now out of warranty) next Tuesday, will post with how we get on.

ProdriveSTI

What have you got at present? PPP or standard?

wrx bill

i didnt bother with any of these i went with some advise from a very wise man sti 8 376 bhp 350 ft/lb and 22 mpg on average
by the hows the car griff found some paper work for u pm us ur address mate will send it down
cheers paul

Gutmann pug

If you already have PPP then dont bother upgrading you wont feel much of a difference. Unless you go for something wild of course, but then reliability will probably go out of the window too

Gary

LeighF

For ProdriveSti, both mine and MSP1's cars are standard STi uk. MSP1 has got a scoobysport back box for sound effects.

wrx bill

the difference between ppp and a 330 bhp remap is noticable a good mate of mine went from ppp to 332 bhp and it felt alot quicker as it held boost alot better as i recall it held 1.5 bar
cheers paul

cookstar

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please humour me and explain what a "333" is. and can i have one. 02 WRX


I just hate being a chimp and not knowing what these things are!

_Meridian_

iTrader: (1)

Look here and scroll down a bit.


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RoRu

The 333 package is based on a STi have bigger turbo/injectors/etc, not saying you could'nt get a wrx upto 330bhp it'll just cost alot more to do so.

martin_oleary

For a WRX package this may be worth looking at?


http://www.wrc-tech.co.uk/subaru-04sti-WRC320.htm

cookstar

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sounds excellent. thats a lot of power.

But the reliability issue pops up, and when spending nearly 4 grand would it be a better option to go for a 2.5 conversion.?

LeighF

tsl motorsport in Notts do a package that takes the UK STi up from 261bhp/ 253 lb ft torque upto 333bhp and 330 lb ft torque. WRC Tech at Silverstone do a similar thing, 330bhp and similar torque. TSL package is around £2100, WRC Tech around £1800. WRC Tech are the new boys on the block but have plenty of experience in this field. TSL are the old hands. As for whether you can have this work done on a WRX probably yes, will it output 330bhp, no, as your starting point is 220bhp, not 261, not sure what a wrx engine will take but it is bound to be in here somewhere

LeighF

doh!!

cookstar

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so the 2.5 option does sound like the way to go.

not sure what the insurance company will say about that though.

RoRu

Even if you go the 2.5 route, you'll still need bigger injectors/fuel pump/turbo/remap etc, if you only want 330 buy all of the above and save yourself the 1500 quid for the 2.5 short engine and use your 2.0.

cookstar

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i would rather pay the 1500 extra and have engine that lasts for years. not saying that the above wouldnt, but suruly its better to have a lighter modified, but larger engine. Than a heavily modified 2.0.

RoRu

But 330 really is not streaching the 2.0 if modded properly, there's plenty of people that have run that sort of power for many thousands of miles.