Bugsie1

I saw on the Dyno page that the Prodrive Performance Pack on the MY99 car is really effective.
Can one of you guys explain what Prodrive do and how much it costs.
Any chance of the US 220HP WRX getting those upgrades when we finally get a Turbo model next year? (maybe not from Prodrive or maybe so - there's a huge market out here for quality upgrades - are you listening Prodrive?)

FYI: I left the UK a few years ago - I never owned an Impreza whilst I lived there, I drive a 2.5RS now in Los Angeles.

Stef

Hi Bugsie.

For the PPP Prodrive basically swap the back-box for a single tail-pipe, change the air filter and also change the ECU.
Whilst it is unlikely you will get this option over there, you will be able to perform a 'diy' version for much less money.
There are a number of different backboxes and exhausts available, including full systems. How these will fare with your strict emmission laws is another matter.
There are also a number of aftermarket air filters available, and an induction kit is another popular option.
As far as ECU's go, there are a few major options....Motec, Unichip, Link, though which of these will be available to you again is another matter.
Once you guys get the turbo though, I don't think it'll be too long before some of your great tuners get to work on it!

Stef.

GaryC

PPP (post 99) consists of new back box and cat-less centre section (2.5" throughout), replaces the entire ECU and fits higher spec intercooler piping. No longer replace the air filter.

DocJock

Don't they also uprate the brake pads to Mintex 1155 or similar ?

Ian Cook

No DJ they dont do the brakes on the PPP.

Chris L

If anyone is interested, check out the 'Private' section, as Sunil is selling his PPP.

Chris

DocJock

I had mine done in sept99 Ian and they did my brakes as part of the package. I'm going to lie down now because I am confused

Simon Lines

Hi Guys

Yes we're listening

The PPP is the ONLY kit that retains your warranty in the UK (and certain other countries)

We are currently looking at a PPP for the new car, this WILL be avialable in the USA (and RoW)

The early (pre 99MY) PPP was back box, ECU, Air filter and brack pads. The 99MY - Kit has ECU, Exhaust and new intercooler pipe-work (we do not change the air filter because there are currently NO air filters on the market that meet the FHI standard for filtration)

Cheers

Simon
(Export Account Manager)

Ian Cook

Sorry DJ i should have put from 99MY onwards i am getting very forgetful lately

Stef

Thanks for the clarification Simon.

Stef.

RichS

Simon,

How much is the PPP?

Do you have any specific recommendations? (like don't have a PPP installed until after the second service etc)

Would I need to bring the car to your premises, or can the PPP be shipped to and fitted by a local Subaru Dealer?


Thanks


Rich


(P.S. - hope these questions don't sound too stupid - I'm still at the ar$e end of the learning curve!)

Roastie

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bugsie1:
<B> Can one of you guys explain what Prodrive do and how much it costs.[/quote]

I just got the Prodrive pack fitted to my MY2000 turbo. Basically the kit consists of:

* Intercooler plumbing (free flow bits, blue, besides working good, they are fun to show off to your mates)
* ECU - Prodrive ECU which changes the boost, fuel and ignition mapping - needs 95 RON fuel
* Exhaust - new mid and rear sections

Results?
I am sooo incredibly impressed! The midrange torque is quite phenomenal. The car used to shove in the first 3 gears and accelerate strongly from there on - now it shoves in the first 4 gears. The torque peak is also lower, so it's a lot more useable and driveable.

Outright speed isn't that much better, 'cos you only get about 20kW (27bhp) extra (240bhp @ 6000rpm).

The sound is incredible. Quiet at steady throttle, a thrummy thunder on boost. From the outside (according to my cousin) - it sounds like a controlled explosion).

I paid R23000, which is about 2300 pounds. Worth it.

STEVECHAPS

Simon,
I too have the same questions as Rich
1, How much for the engine mods?
2, Can they be carried out without visiting
you at prodrive?
3, What are the claimed benefits?
Thanks in anticipation
SteveC

Roastie

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by STEVECHAPS:
<B>Simon,
I too have the same questions as Rich
1, How much for the engine mods?
2, Can they be carried out without visiting
you at prodrive?
3, What are the claimed benefits?
Thanks in anticipation
SteveC[/quote]

They can be fitted by any official Subaru dealer.

On a standard 2000 spec turbo:
348Nm@3500rpm
180kW@6000rpm

GaryC

The Performance Pack can only be done at Prodrive's premises in Banbury.

I was told it can be done from day one (a la RB5 WR sport), but better to wait until 1000 miles+ is on clock (mine was done at 900 miles), cost is c£2k. Claimed benefits are power to c240 (most dyno nearer 250) and torque to c250lb/ft?? Difference on the road is *very* noticable, and gives a nice base for further tuning (apparently )

sunilp

.....and i have one for sale ;-)

RaymondH

Great to have Prodrive posting here

Simon Lines

Hi Guys

In the UK we like to do the fitting here at Prodrive - This is a historic thing, it enables us to make sure the high level of quality and lack of warranty problems continue (Remember - in the UK it comes with full IM warranty cover)

As the export side has grown we have had to let local importers do the fitting, this has led to a small increase in warranty problems, mainly down to communication.

We recomend running in for at least 1K miles before fitting the kit.

Cheers for now

Simon
Export Account Manager

Roastie

Yup Simon, good to see someone from Prodrive here.

Question:
What would be the repercussions of running my car on 93 octane? I assume this will be a very bad idea.

Anil Ootam

Anyone know if you can still get the PPP for a MY97 impreza Turbo?

Anil

sunilp

Simon Lines - what is the warranty postion re second hand Prodrive packs??

Anil, apparently the PPP wasnt all that up until 1999 so you might be better off with a Link ECU or Unichip etc.

S

Ian Cook

Sunil only the 98 PPP had a problem on a few cars, the pre 98 ones were great apparnetly, in fact the 96 ones with the big turbo were amazing !

DocJock

And a MY97 is pretty good too...
Smaller turbo spools up very quickly for earlier torque peak making it very drivable especially out of medium speed corners

Anil, should be possible I only had my MY97 done last year

DJ

Imago

Would somebody be kind enough to explain why it is better to do 2,000 miles before fitting the PPP.

I have a RB5 WrSport and as such have had the PPP fitted from new.

Can I expect future problems or is my car not performing as well as it should be?

Thanks
Mick

simes

Imago,

I can't really answer your question, but I know they do a good 50 miles to roadtest the pack, so presumably if it's run in they can thrash it a bit more...

Now there's a job, road testing PPP upgrades.

Cheers

Simon

Ian Cook

You wont suffer with problems with the pack, its just better to have the car run in when its done.

DavidG

Ian - were there problems with a few cars with the MY98 pack, or was the pack for that year's cars simply not very good? I'm interested because I have a MY98 car and would consider the PPP if I thought it would be any good.

Thanks.

Ian Cook

It only appears ot have been a few cars, several people were very unhappy with the performance they got, but there seemed to be a lot of people that were very happy with it. Best bet is find someone that has the PPP on a 98MY and see if they will let you have a go, or get a passenger run in it. Only way to get piece of mind i guess.

Tang

Simon,

Had a PPP and a DEP fitted from new. Absolutely fantastic, you guys are gods.

Roastie mentions that the car should be run on 95 RON fuel. Is this the case, I've been running mine on 97 RON? Is the remapping done with a view to the lower octane? Or does it matter at all?

Also you mention that you are working on a PPP for the new car, do you mean the MY2001?, will you also be doing a "P2"?

Thanks for all the entertainment.

Tang

Tang

Originally posted by Simon Lines:
Hi Guys

Yes we're listening

The PPP is the ONLY kit that retains your warranty in the UK (and certain other countries)

We are currently looking at a PPP for the new car, this WILL be avialable in the USA (and RoW)

The early (pre 99MY) PPP was back box, ECU, Air filter and brack pads. The 99MY - Kit has ECU, Exhaust and new intercooler pipe-work (we do not change the air filter because there are currently NO air filters on the market that meet the FHI standard for filtration)

Cheers

Simon
(Export Account Manager)[/B][/QUOTE]

Simon,

Roastie mentions that he runs his car on 95 RON. I have a 2000 MY with PPP and DEP fitted from new, and have religiously run it on 97 RON. Should I be doing as Roastie suggests? or does it matter at all?.

Also, you mention that you are develooping a PPP for the new car - do you mean the 2001 MY? If so do you have any plans for a "P2"?

Thanks for your time.

Tang

P.S. Your web site doesn't invite queries, is this deliberate? It also doesn't give any detail on Subaru mods, I know this is probably because you have bigger fish to fry, but we love this stuff, couldn't you bend the rules a bit for us? Or would you rather just post here?