WRX STI vs WRX STI PPP
20 July 2004, 08:02 AM
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WRX STI vs WRX STI PPP
Recently test drove the WRX STI with about 2000 miles on it and I was left feeling dissapointed, could have been that it was still tight and maybe had wrong fuel in it but it seemed well off the pace to what I was expecting.
Anyway, last weekend test drove the WRX STI PPP It had 8500 miles on it and the prodrive pack was fitted at 1000 miles. Felt every bit all of that, With the turbo coming in at 2700Rpm it was quick off the mark too without having to ride the clutch much at all. Books at 4.6 sec to 60, wouldn't be supprised if that is true either. Absolutely mint, go test drive one if you can or better still go upgradt your STI now. This is such a different car to drive with the PPP fitted. felt more like 100BHP difference and so much more drivable.
Anyway, last weekend test drove the WRX STI PPP It had 8500 miles on it and the prodrive pack was fitted at 1000 miles. Felt every bit all of that, With the turbo coming in at 2700Rpm it was quick off the mark too without having to ride the clutch much at all. Books at 4.6 sec to 60, wouldn't be supprised if that is true either. Absolutely mint, go test drive one if you can or better still go upgradt your STI now. This is such a different car to drive with the PPP fitted. felt more like 100BHP difference and so much more drivable.
20 July 2004, 08:23 AM
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Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday... ..Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday. ....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursda y.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thurs day.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday
My STI is going in on Thursday for PPP fitting
If anyone else says anything good about the PPP for the STI I think I might just burst with excitement!
My STI is going in on Thursday for PPP fitting
If anyone else says anything good about the PPP for the STI I think I might just burst with excitement!
21 July 2004, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyTot
Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday... ..Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday. ....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursda y.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thurs day.....Thursday.....Thursday.....Thursday
My STI is going in on Thursday for PPP fitting
If anyone else says anything good about the PPP for the STI I think I might just burst with excitement!
My STI is going in on Thursday for PPP fitting
If anyone else says anything good about the PPP for the STI I think I might just burst with excitement!
Love it...!
21 July 2004, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyTot
And yes, the std STI is as bad as that. It doesn't get any better with miles.
Completely gutless, and then WALLOP!
Completely gutless, and then WALLOP!
Std STi's should be made ileagal 
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21 July 2004, 10:02 PM
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I like my std STi, and have no problems with the low boost at 2700 rpm, I don't drive it that low !
Thats why its got a six speed box
Will get the PPP one day, but just bought a Celica GT4 for the same money as a run about.
Thats why its got a six speed box
Will get the PPP one day, but just bought a Celica GT4 for the same money as a run about.
22 July 2004, 01:20 PM
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2 P or not 3 P - that is the question.....
Originally Posted by ShyTot
And yes, the std STI is as bad as that. It doesn't get any better with miles.
Completely gutless, and then WALLOP!
Completely gutless, and then WALLOP!
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I test drove an 04 STi standard too and was disappointed. My classic [ with mild mods ] is faster and much more fun to drive... Told the dealer this and after his initial surprise he did agree. Speaking to him later the car had been PPP'd and he said it was now much better - more power throught the rev range etc etc.. - though never got round to testing it.
23 July 2004, 07:44 AM
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STI - PPP a proper slow car as well now!
To say that there is a big difference between the STD STI and PPP STI is huge is an understatement.
Let me list all of my non PPP STI gripes and tell you what changes with the PPP: -
Start up the Std STI from cold and for the first mile or so it splutters, jumps, hops and is generally not a happy car. With the PPP, (admitedly with only 1 cold start so far) it appears to be no different at all when its cold.
The std STI is a fast car, no question, but it is also a Very intimidating car because below 3500 rpm it is a very slow car. What this means it if you come up to a junction end and see a gap in the traffic, you really have to give it death to fit in the gap, and that can be very uncomfortable for passengers. Similarly, if you pull up along side someone, and think "Oh Ill just sneak in front of him when the lights change", well yes you probably can, but not without a big "Bog Down" followed by an uncomfortable wallop in the back.
With the STI-PPP, this all changes. Gone are the Bog Down starts, gone is the absolute requirement to raise the revs so far in advance of releasing the clutch. The car now pulls so strongly in low revs, in particular the 30-40mph kind of revs, that it is just a pleasure to drive slowly.
If you are caught in the wrong gear in the Std STI, then you have no option but to change down to accellerate. This is the same in the PPP STI, but (and it is a BIG BUT), 2500-3000rpm is all that is required in the PPP STI to get a strong pick-up. You can, and normally would drive around town within that rev range, so the torque is always there immediately ready. Hence the title "A proper slow car" - It s now a pleasure to drive slowly, in low revs.
The sound from the exhaust is just beautifull! I wouldn't mind it a little louder, but I think it is a good neighbour friendly compromise. My windows have been down ever since I picked it up.
Other interesting noises - the fuel pump sounds like it means business!, and something else which surprised me is the VERY faint sound of the Turbo spinning up and down - I never heard that before and it completes the PPP experience for me.
In summary, the PPP has turned a car that I was struggling to live with day to day in to a car that I NEVER want to sell. Absolutely Awesome!
I would like to give the guys at Prodrive a Great big round of applause for what is unquestionably very impressive engineering.
Was it worth all that insurance hassle - No question!
Was it worth £2000 - Absolute bargain - I'll keep the car now.
Would I buy another standard UK STI - not in a million years - dreadfull car
Would I buy a PPP STI - Oh God YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me list all of my non PPP STI gripes and tell you what changes with the PPP: -
Start up the Std STI from cold and for the first mile or so it splutters, jumps, hops and is generally not a happy car. With the PPP, (admitedly with only 1 cold start so far) it appears to be no different at all when its cold.
The std STI is a fast car, no question, but it is also a Very intimidating car because below 3500 rpm it is a very slow car. What this means it if you come up to a junction end and see a gap in the traffic, you really have to give it death to fit in the gap, and that can be very uncomfortable for passengers. Similarly, if you pull up along side someone, and think "Oh Ill just sneak in front of him when the lights change", well yes you probably can, but not without a big "Bog Down" followed by an uncomfortable wallop in the back.
With the STI-PPP, this all changes. Gone are the Bog Down starts, gone is the absolute requirement to raise the revs so far in advance of releasing the clutch. The car now pulls so strongly in low revs, in particular the 30-40mph kind of revs, that it is just a pleasure to drive slowly.
If you are caught in the wrong gear in the Std STI, then you have no option but to change down to accellerate. This is the same in the PPP STI, but (and it is a BIG BUT), 2500-3000rpm is all that is required in the PPP STI to get a strong pick-up. You can, and normally would drive around town within that rev range, so the torque is always there immediately ready. Hence the title "A proper slow car" - It s now a pleasure to drive slowly, in low revs.
The sound from the exhaust is just beautifull! I wouldn't mind it a little louder, but I think it is a good neighbour friendly compromise. My windows have been down ever since I picked it up.
Other interesting noises - the fuel pump sounds like it means business!, and something else which surprised me is the VERY faint sound of the Turbo spinning up and down - I never heard that before and it completes the PPP experience for me.
In summary, the PPP has turned a car that I was struggling to live with day to day in to a car that I NEVER want to sell. Absolutely Awesome!
I would like to give the guys at Prodrive a Great big round of applause for what is unquestionably very impressive engineering.
Was it worth all that insurance hassle - No question!
Was it worth £2000 - Absolute bargain - I'll keep the car now.
Would I buy another standard UK STI - not in a million years - dreadfull car
Would I buy a PPP STI - Oh God YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23 July 2004, 07:48 AM
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Doh - silly me.
It is noticably faster as well, but to be honest I couldn't give a dam about that. That is not what I bought PPP for.
It fulfills every requirement I wanted with abundance, and I would be just as happy if it had exactly the same power as the original 265PS.
Infact insurance might be easier then.........
It is noticably faster as well, but to be honest I couldn't give a dam about that. That is not what I bought PPP for.
It fulfills every requirement I wanted with abundance, and I would be just as happy if it had exactly the same power as the original 265PS.
Infact insurance might be easier then.........
23 July 2004, 07:59 AM
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Hi ShyTot. Well what can I say.........Told you so !
I will be ordering my new STI in about 10 weeks and will be ordering the PPP at the same time so I can fit it at the first service. Although I love the STI and have wanted one for years I was so disappointed when I test drove it. The PPP though is totally a different car and I can't wait to get it and think I will keep it for many years.
I will be ordering my new STI in about 10 weeks and will be ordering the PPP at the same time so I can fit it at the first service. Although I love the STI and have wanted one for years I was so disappointed when I test drove it. The PPP though is totally a different car and I can't wait to get it and think I will keep it for many years.
23 July 2004, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyTot
To say that there is a big difference between the STD STI and PPP STI is huge is an understatement.
Let me list all of my non PPP STI gripes and tell you what changes with the PPP: -
Start up the Std STI from cold and for the first mile or so it splutters, jumps, hops and is generally not a happy car. With the PPP, (admitedly with only 1 cold start so far) it appears to be no different at all when its cold.
The std STI is a fast car, no question, but it is also a Very intimidating car because below 3500 rpm it is a very slow car. What this means it if you come up to a junction end and see a gap in the traffic, you really have to give it death to fit in the gap, and that can be very uncomfortable for passengers. Similarly, if you pull up along side someone, and think "Oh Ill just sneak in front of him when the lights change", well yes you probably can, but not without a big "Bog Down" followed by an uncomfortable wallop in the back.
With the STI-PPP, this all changes. Gone are the Bog Down starts, gone is the absolute requirement to raise the revs so far in advance of releasing the clutch. The car now pulls so strongly in low revs, in particular the 30-40mph kind of revs, that it is just a pleasure to drive slowly.
If you are caught in the wrong gear in the Std STI, then you have no option but to change down to accellerate. This is the same in the PPP STI, but (and it is a BIG BUT), 2500-3000rpm is all that is required in the PPP STI to get a strong pick-up. You can, and normally would drive around town within that rev range, so the torque is always there immediately ready. Hence the title "A proper slow car" - It s now a pleasure to drive slowly, in low revs.
The sound from the exhaust is just beautifull! I wouldn't mind it a little louder, but I think it is a good neighbour friendly compromise. My windows have been down ever since I picked it up.
Other interesting noises - the fuel pump sounds like it means business!, and something else which surprised me is the VERY faint sound of the Turbo spinning up and down - I never heard that before and it completes the PPP experience for me.
In summary, the PPP has turned a car that I was struggling to live with day to day in to a car that I NEVER want to sell. Absolutely Awesome!
I would like to give the guys at Prodrive a Great big round of applause for what is unquestionably very impressive engineering.
Was it worth all that insurance hassle - No question!
Was it worth £2000 - Absolute bargain - I'll keep the car now.
Would I buy another standard UK STI - not in a million years - dreadfull car
Would I buy a PPP STI - Oh God YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me list all of my non PPP STI gripes and tell you what changes with the PPP: -
Start up the Std STI from cold and for the first mile or so it splutters, jumps, hops and is generally not a happy car. With the PPP, (admitedly with only 1 cold start so far) it appears to be no different at all when its cold.
The std STI is a fast car, no question, but it is also a Very intimidating car because below 3500 rpm it is a very slow car. What this means it if you come up to a junction end and see a gap in the traffic, you really have to give it death to fit in the gap, and that can be very uncomfortable for passengers. Similarly, if you pull up along side someone, and think "Oh Ill just sneak in front of him when the lights change", well yes you probably can, but not without a big "Bog Down" followed by an uncomfortable wallop in the back.
With the STI-PPP, this all changes. Gone are the Bog Down starts, gone is the absolute requirement to raise the revs so far in advance of releasing the clutch. The car now pulls so strongly in low revs, in particular the 30-40mph kind of revs, that it is just a pleasure to drive slowly.
If you are caught in the wrong gear in the Std STI, then you have no option but to change down to accellerate. This is the same in the PPP STI, but (and it is a BIG BUT), 2500-3000rpm is all that is required in the PPP STI to get a strong pick-up. You can, and normally would drive around town within that rev range, so the torque is always there immediately ready. Hence the title "A proper slow car" - It s now a pleasure to drive slowly, in low revs.
The sound from the exhaust is just beautifull! I wouldn't mind it a little louder, but I think it is a good neighbour friendly compromise. My windows have been down ever since I picked it up.
Other interesting noises - the fuel pump sounds like it means business!, and something else which surprised me is the VERY faint sound of the Turbo spinning up and down - I never heard that before and it completes the PPP experience for me.
In summary, the PPP has turned a car that I was struggling to live with day to day in to a car that I NEVER want to sell. Absolutely Awesome!
I would like to give the guys at Prodrive a Great big round of applause for what is unquestionably very impressive engineering.
Was it worth all that insurance hassle - No question!
Was it worth £2000 - Absolute bargain - I'll keep the car now.
Would I buy another standard UK STI - not in a million years - dreadfull car
Would I buy a PPP STI - Oh God YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please report back on fuel figures and ride comfort and if you are going to get the PPP handling kit
cheers
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what if, you can have the PPP fitted from day 1!
I am torn between keeping the warranty and getting the PPP, as i dont know how long to keep the scoob for. Or get the 333 as i have firestorm, and other bits so would be a more cost efficient way, unless something went wrong.
Reading posts like this just make it harder to decide!
I am torn between keeping the warranty and getting the PPP, as i dont know how long to keep the scoob for. Or get the 333 as i have firestorm, and other bits so would be a more cost efficient way, unless something went wrong.
Reading posts like this just make it harder to decide!
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Well i`ve a standard MY03 STI and find it easy to live with on a day to day basis.
I`ve also driven a PPP`d STI and didn`t think it was worth the 2 grand asking and increase in insurance.
I`ve got Prodrive Springs on and Vortex Backbox but the best mod so far has been the Eagle F1`s making the ride and handling loads better. I couldn`t believe the difference should it really have this positive effect to the ride and handling??
I`ve also driven a PPP`d STI and didn`t think it was worth the 2 grand asking and increase in insurance.
I`ve got Prodrive Springs on and Vortex Backbox but the best mod so far has been the Eagle F1`s making the ride and handling loads better. I couldn`t believe the difference should it really have this positive effect to the ride and handling??
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