gatty

i have a mate looking to buy either one of these jap or uk i need to know the genral performance differences , ect.... which is best for the money ?
thanks!!!!!

subaru-impreza.org

STi V5 Type R WRC Ltd Edtn

http://www.subaru-impreza.org/subaru...opic.php?t=968

Prime

gatty

cheers mate seems the jap version has the edge, for the money7 i heard some where that the reiability wasent so good as uk cars.?

simb 2

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Aslong as you look after it your be fine. Stick to good fuel (optimax + octane booster) and invest in a knocklink.

simb

stevie boy

go for the type r mate, i did.

p1 nice motor but quite a bit more expensive than the higher specced non compromised type r.

insurance costs no more, plenty of parts available and a good choice of specialists mechanical dudes about, the main reasons in the past for paying the premium on a uk models

stevie

Brian the Sn@il

agree fully i also owned a type R vs 5.

Far better gearbox than the P1.

Only downside it thats its gear down far more. ITs not a fast crusing motorway car.

How i see it,

If you want a scoob to blast about in on the back lanes and keep localish go for the Type R

If you do more miles on dual carrigeways go for the P1, as youll use less petrol.

Both cars are the best ever made.

The P1 has God like status with it, the Type R is the choice of the driva.

With Diff control, Group N Gearbox and automatic intercooler spray. its has far more to offer

fatmanscooby

And electric mirrors air con etc on my second Type R now wouldnt have a P1. Not worth the extra money when you get so much more in a Type R

gatty

no p1 drivers out there to defend there corner? by the way which sti type is daddy , RA? version 1,2,3,4,5,6?

FASTER MIKE!!

get the type r and the money you save from buying the p1 you could have the type r remapped for uk fuel the difference in the price of p1's to type r's is quite alot anything upto £5000 so that should tell you alot. your probably best getting either a verion 5 or 6 as they can be teked and saves you having to got for an after market ecu

mike version 5 type r owner

T-gro

I believe the type-r's and ra's have stronger driveshafts, hubs and bearings as well.

The central rev-counter is better too, in my opinion.

Tchort

I have a P1 but don't feel i need to defend it as everything has been said so many times on here.

If your mate can afford the extra dosh then I would go for a P1, if not get a type R. I looked at both before buying (also looked at an M3) but went for the P1 , mainly because it was F**king brilliant.

Get either one and you won't be dissapointed, just don't get an M3.

STi5_TypeR_VLtd

I bought my v5 Type R V Limited at the end of May and am very pleased with it. Blisteringly quick when needs be but a gentle giant with it. I like the extra's like DCCD, water spray etc. after all its something a bit special! You need to run it on Optimax with Octane boost (I use Millers Octane+) but I guess you would run the P1 on Optimax so only £3 a tank more
Mine is stock apart from the Full Scoobysport Decat exhaust and the gauge pod and knocklink. All 3 a must have I reckon, exhaust for great sound and the odd pop and flame! and the gauges and knocklink to make sure the engine is safe.

Rob

ben44

Why do all type R owners have to have a pop at p1's whenever possible. Is it a jealousy thing?

ScoobywagonGl

How can it be a jealosy thing when the type r is clearly superior to a P1

Sonic Blue Type R

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It's not the fact that we're having a 'pop' at P1's in general, it's just the fact that the Type R V5/6 has so much more to offer and are a lot cheeper.

But the main advantage of the Type R is the spec. one of the main features being the Group N Gearbox and the DCCD, also the I/C spray.

Having driven both I found the P1 to be a little slower, possibly that's down to the gearing/diffs, although cosmeticly I do like the P1, it has some nice touches to it, like the front bumper (nice), the rear spoiler, but I do prefer the rear cluster on the Type R.


So basically the Type R (V5/6) is a better car,.........bye

FASTER MIKE!!

not having a pop its a fact after all a p1 is just a version5 type r

mike

talizman

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I have never owned a Type R nor a P1, so I am qualified to give an unbiased opinion

The Type R is far superior purely as it is the base car on which the P1 is designed.

The P1 is "watered" down for the UK market, whereas the Type R has all the toys the P1 has, and more.

I appreciate that the P1's gearing and suspension have been adapted for UK roads, but I'd trade them both for the heaps of goodies the Type R boasts.....
DCCD
Elec. folding mirrors
Climate control
Roof vent (on Ltd's)
Quicker gearing
Centre rev counter

As long as the correct fuel and additives are used, or the car has been re-mapped for UK fuel, there is no comparison IMHO.

gatty

funny that mate i went from a m3 to a sti ppp (03) and now a spec c subaru forever!

Brian the Sn@il

The Type R vs 5 would leave the WR1 standing from a standing start.

With a Remap the Type R has the most rapid acceleration i have ever experienced from a scoob.

No you dont have to destroy the clutch to pull away quickly in a type R

you have to hit 4K revs and slip the clutch on a WR1 to pull away quick

T5NYW

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Gatty,
Peccy was selling a 2.5ltr StiV6 very

SEE HERE would have bought it myself for a plaything but ain't got the spare cash at the MO.

Tony

gatty

wow some car tony i can only show my mate these pics i think it might be out of reach . some kind of car though! how are you any way ? any meets locally soon?

T5NYW

iTrader: (4)

Very nice though

I OK hopefully get my Car back Friday and theres a Worcester meet to Weston Super Mare on the Sunday 18th

Tony

terryb

The only reason anyone would buy a Type R is because they can't afford a P1....end of story

It's like someone saying they'd buy a Seat Leon Cupra R instead of an Audi S3 because it is better.......bullsh*t.....it's bacause they couldn't afford an S3.

talizman

iTrader: (1)

terryb,

Try looking past the snobbish attitude and give us hard evidence as to what is better about a P1 than a Type R?

A Type R is the better car regardless of price. The fact that they can be got cheaper is simply a bonus.

Anyway, P1's have dropped to circa £15k these days, and even main dealers have them for £16-£17k, so "affordability" isn;t really an argument.

Personally, I recently got rid of my £30,000 STi PPP and bought a mint RB5 and a Civic Type R, so I can certainly "afford" a P1.

I'd still buy a Type R first though.

gatty

yes, i heard about castle coombe......... fairplay you had a go!

gatty

brave man! your having a laugh aint you.

terryb

I'm not really a snob - just standing up for myself and other P1 owners and can't really think of any other arguement - mind you it took only 7 minutes to generate a response...LOL

I suppose the P1 has a carbon fibre insert in the rear spoiler too - another great reason to buy one...

I've never driven a Type R - I must admit that a version 6 does look the nuts - I like the front lip spoiler - probably better than the P1s too. Mind you they all look the same from a distance if the Type Rs are in sonic blue...

talizman

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IMHO, IM and Subaru fcuked up with the P1 when they commisioned an STi for the UK market.

When the Type R's were sent to Prodrive for conversion into P1's, they shouldn't have watered them down.

The body mods are cool by me, unique splitter, spolier, badging, even wheels make it stand out as a special.

Suspension mods - although I'm not convinced they were entirely necessary, but maybe I am just spoilt with the quality of roads round these parts!

Gearing - The modification to the gearing does make it much more motorway friendly, so I'd be happy to live with that.

However, I'd have left in the DCCD at the expense of ABS.
The electric folding mirrors and climate control should have been left in also; they are standard for JDM but taken off of ours. Why?
Another thing, why move the speedo into the middle where the rev counter should be?

All of the mods to make the P1 what it is, are backward steps IMHO.

terryb

Mind you since the P1, haven't all UK scoobs been watered down jap versions??

I suppose I'm a bit lucky with mine as I have the full WR spec - 18s, bigger brakes, etc - which apparently makes it a better handling car than the stock P1.

I have driven a few newer scoobs - STI8PPP, WR1, Type 25, but the car that came closest to the P1 in terms of the way it feels on the road was an EVO8 FQ300.

From Subaru UK's point of view and in order to sell 1000 P1s then they had to be made more "UK friendly" - I mean what actual percentage of P1 owners are real enthusiasts that frequent this and other sites?? I won't argue that a Type R isn't a better drivers car (I can't as I haven't had that pleasure) - but I dare say that only real driving enthusiasts (nay, obsessives) would prefer the Type R.

I'd be very interested in driving a SPEC C though...

talizman

iTrader: (1)

Yes you are quite right.

This is the very reason why I'd rather a Spec C or even a JDM STi GL over an STi Type UK, any day of the week.



I'd say that anyone who paid £37,000 for a WR P1 when new, is an "enthusiast"! therefore everyone who bought a P1 new was an enthusiast.
Furthermore, had they taken the Type R and merely it the body mods and badges and called it the P1, they'd still have sold, even though sales did slow towards the end of the 1000 run.
I don't think it was the "watering down" for the UK market that make the car appealing.