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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 11:37 AM
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After going to the 'Ring for the first time 6 weekes ago and going again in 2 weeks my opinion of what "a good car is" has dramatically changed.

Who has been to the Ring, what do you drive and what cars surprised you or impressed you on the day??

My conclusion was simple....."BHP means ****" !!!"
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 11:41 AM
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Light, fast and German seems a good way to go.
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 11:46 AM
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Been in my STi and my 205GTi...Enjoyed the 205 the most other than the long up hill sections where its underpowered.

Always amazed by the ability of the local drivers in Golfs and Polo's.

911's are always the ultimate order of the day over there though ...other than M3 CSL's of course

Oh and im going back with Senior AP and Davy boy in under two weeks
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 11:48 AM
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BHP is great if you can remember which way the next blind corner goes
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ian_sadler
BHP is great if you can remember which way the next blind corner goes
Of course power means quick but a lighter, more balanced car will positively w&nk all over any power house.

The quickest cars there on the whole were 215bhp. I won't say what they are but I will say that a balanced car built for that environment was quicker than 90% of other motors.
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 12:06 PM
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Would love to have a go someday - if we're talking about the full monty circuit here.

Incidentally - if you need to learn the track, it's going to be in Gran Turismo 4...
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Would love to have a go someday - if we're talking about the full monty circuit here.

Incidentally - if you need to learn the track, it's going to be in Gran Turismo 4...

The "Nordschleife" which is the North Loop translated. Its 13.8 (ish) miles long, up and down, blind corners, off cambers etc etc. Been there once and found it the best exerience ever.

Ever!!
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Incidentally - if you need to learn the track, it's going to be in Gran Turismo 4...
Where have you been? We've been playing for months on end on Project Gotham Racing on Xbox. Everything from scoobies to Enzo's to GT1's.

And for anybody who thinks the GT1 handles unrealistically well in the game, take a look at this video and you will see if anything it is an underestimation of how a real race car handles the ring. You have to register, and will need broadband, but it's one of the best videos I have ever seen, and makes me understand that I could never be a racing driver.

http://www.fastdrive.org/download.php?view.224
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Don't forget good old fashioned driving ability, I've passengered MattOz in his old Beemer 330 Diesel and we whooped a fair bit of ***. You can't beat a bit of good driving ability and track knowledge for a smoother, faster ride

Would love to go round in a GT3 someday
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Originally Posted by scoobychick
Don't forget good old fashioned driving ability, I've passengered MattOz in his old Beemer 330 Diesel and we whooped a fair bit of ***. You can't beat a bit of good driving ability and track knowledge for a smoother, faster ride

Would love to go round in a GT3 someday
The most important of them all. If I was in a GT3 (for arguments sake) and Michael Schumacher was in err....a Golf GTI I am confident he would kick my ar$e.
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Do you lot not go on the Nurburgring?? Prefer to stick to the 'twisties' of the UK??

Some of you must have?? Or do you stick to the 'Real World'???
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It's a long way to drive to show off your dump valve/neons/flamer kits AP.
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
The most important of them all. If I was in a GT3 (for arguments sake) and Michael Schumacher was in err....a Golf GTI I am confident he would kick my ar$e.
Been around it on a couple of superbikes in years past. Pretty scarey stuff. Porkies and Ferrari's doing you on tight bends and then you find yourself up the back end of an old VW beetle whilst doing a tonne. I even saw a mini moke driven by a mad dutch guy once. I think he spent the same amount of time on two wheels as i did.lol
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Originally Posted by rdkr
Been around it on a couple of superbikes in years past. Pretty scarey stuff. Porkies and Ferrari's doing you on tight bends and then you find yourself up the back end of an old VW beetle whilst doing a tonne. I even saw a mini moke driven by a mad dutch guy once. I think he spent the same amount of time on two wheels as i did.lol
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That's the spirit !!!!!

The place is great. Though I must say, I didn't see any Ferrari's there. People that have Ferrari's tend to prefer rubbing their ***** on them rather than driving the fooocking things.
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Originally Posted by davyboy
It's a long way to drive to show off your dump valve/neons/flamer kits AP.


BwwoooooOOOAAAAAARPPPPPPP ChhhhhHIIIIISSSHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Lexus rear lights anyone????
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Most impressed by:
locals in Mk1 Golfs
MattOz's 330D Sport
Ulf and Anders' GT3's

Would most like to have a go in:
GL's Ferrari F40 - just for the hell of it
The M5 with Sabine

Would most like NOT to have a go in:
The ring mini - cos its daft

Came nearest to dying in:
Felly's westie
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I would love to have a lap in one of the local boys Audi 80 or 100''s ..... they are the fellas that do the majority of the lap sideways ........christ they can drive
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 10:21 AM
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I did 3 laps in succession. Got my tyres nice and hot.....tyre pressures up to well over 40 I would think just so I could show off on some of the corners by going sideways in a RWD Porker.

Sad - yes

Fun - YES!!!!
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Askew
The M5 with Sabine
She took us out in our hire 525, still fitted with winter tyres

That was FUN
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Handling and brakes are very important there as well as knowledge. BHP is secondary. I was passed by a VW Bora with suspension mods and HUGE tyres. He wasn't quick on the straights but left me for dead in the twisties

All these scoob tuners on here who pay big bucks for horse power and then stick crappy springs on their cars as a token jesture to handling, have got the balance badly wrong IMHO.

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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd
Handling and brakes are very important there as well as knowledge. BHP is secondary. I was passed by a VW Bora with suspension mods and HUGE tyres. He wasn't quick on the straights but left me for dead in the twisties

All these scoob tuners on here who pay big bucks for horse power and then stick crappy springs on their cars as a token jesture to handling, have got the balance badly wrong IMHO.

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But most who spend big bucks on BHP are more interested in quarter mile times and pub talk as opposed to blasting round the ring (not all)

It's been mentioned many times on here that scoobys have amazing grip but this doesn't equate to a good track car. It's not often that a 4WD rally car is going to be as quick round a track as well set up RWD and possibly FWD car with similar or even less BHP.

All IMHO of course and not wanting to offend anyone

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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 02:45 PM
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Scoobs are cr4p as an overall package for track work.
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 02:49 PM
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The quickest cars there on the whole were 215bhp
One of these? http://images.fotopic.net/?id=5207887&outx=645&oq=0

Do you lot not go on the Nurburgring?? Prefer to stick to the 'twisties' of the UK??
Some of you must have?? Or do you stick to the 'Real World'???
I'd love to go, but it comes down to cost. And not working means it's out of the question at the moment.

It's a long way to drive to show off your dump valve/neons/flamer kits
Ever thought of being a politician Dave?
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Craig - I'd love to see the black car out there

Editted to say not the M3.. t'other black one

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[QUOTE=CraigH]One of these? http://images.fotopic.net/?id=5207887&outx=645&oq=0


EXACTLY!!
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:22 PM
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Proper car
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Originally Posted by CraigH
Proper car













































NOT!!
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Whatever
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Originally Posted by CraigH
Whatever

CraigH - you are spot on. The way those things handle is worth 100bhp on its own. They are better quality than most cars available and are just...well....they f$cking rule!!!!
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Sounds like you wanna buy one....

I know of a mint 91h 215hp car, 72k miles etc

Handling of these is a different league to a Scoob
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