RB5Caterham

Mate of mine is considering an STi Type R (probs. V5 or V6), he's a bit put off buying one because it doesnt have ABS and he will use it, on the odd occasion as transport for his family.

I know that ABS is not going to stop the car any quicker but help to steer past rather than crash into things.

Opinions please from STi Type R owners?

Much apprecited.

Old_Fart

I've no ABS or airbags in the 22B. I am running uprated brakes (Prodrive 330mm) but can honestly say that I have never locked up on the public road. However I can imagine in a 'tractor in the road past a blind bend' blind panic scenario that the probability of my running into problems is increased due to lack of ABS...though brake feel is soo good I like to think I wouldn't
You *can* get ABS equipped type R's...some WRX RA v ltd's had them at the expense of the DCCD..at least they did in the STI4 generation.
Rgds
Chuck

chrisp

yep on the classic the DCCD and ABS couldnt co-exist on the car so it was either or.

My MY00 WRX RA LTD has abs but no DCCD, must say teh ABS has only cut in twice in over 3 years off ownership.

[Edited by chrisp - 1/15/2004 1:11:06 PM]

BlackR

ABS? ABS is for wimps!

Seriously, I could have done with ABS this morning - the roads were slippy and the front wheels locked as I was braking from 60mph.. Then again, it all adds to the fun - plus you get the DCCD to play around with.

johnfelstead

try adding some diff lock in the wet, it helps to stop the front wheels locking in slipery conditions.

I prefer a car without ABS. All the STi versions of the TypeR/RA have DCCD, its the non STi WRX version that doesnt.

greasemonkey

I wouldn't give it that much credit. All it really does is protect drivers from the "sh*t yourself and mash the brake pedal" reflex that some suffer from when things start going pear-shaped...

I don't miss it. The non-ABS braking systems have more feel through the pedal (provided your footwear is appropriate), which makes the onset of lock easier to feel and avoid anyway.

Plus, the fact that it ain't there in the first place means I don't have to worry about disabling it if I'm driving in the woods, or if there's snow around...

As John says, if the car is a bit grabby under braking, just turn the diff up a bit, or change to a more suitable pad compound.

[Edited by greasemonkey - 1/15/2004 3:19:24 PM]

scooby_si

init you just watch the number of how do i turn off ABS threads that appear as soon as there's a wiff of snow on the ground get a type R & invest in a Don Palmer type day so you can learn the limits & how to control them if yer really worried about that
Si

what would scooby do

If you know how to drive then you don't need ABS

From a Type R owner who only once managed to lock up and look a bit silly at a junction LOL

BlackR

I test-drove a Type R V Ltd which had ABS but no DCCD.

Thanks for the tip John.

johnfelstead

it wasnt an STi then. pleasure.

[Edited by johnfelstead - 1/15/2004 3:36:48 PM]

Adam M

John,

I have also test driven such cars.

Think you will find that you cold spec them when new to exclude some of the good bits, int he same way that you could spec a non wrx type r to have a dccd if you wanted one.

Has your friend considered a P1 as that has what he is after.

RB5Caterham

Chees for the replies guys.

Adam, thanks mate, good P1 just a little bit more on the cash front, hence he was looking at Type R's which I'm made to believe from here, are faster etc.

peccy

...faster and lots more fun

sharp76

Had a uk turbo(95) before with abs, thought it was a shi#t thing to have, felt really rough when it kicked in, recently bought a V4 STI and has no abs, feels so much better, never knew they didn't have it before i bought it but glad it doesnt.

Steve Whitehorn

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Agree far prefer a car without ABS.
If my next scoob has it then I will take it out.
Steve

sg72

Have a STI 5 Type R Ltd.
No ABS. But AP 6 pots .
This IMHO is the best brake system you can have on these cars.

Tried various brake pad combinations on standard brakes.
Learnt through smoking/not stopping that this is the way to go.
Another £1500 on budget.You won't regret.

Steve.

SUBTYPER

I prefer the car without ABS and if the family is in then you drive extra careful so you shouldnt need ABS rememebr ABS aint going to stop you any quicker and the thought is you swerve to avoid something that you were braking for and go head on into a vehicle coming the other way.

RB5Caterham

Its all making sense now.

I will let m8 know what you guys have said.

Thx again.

Gambit

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thread revival of such....but could you get a version 6 Type R WITH ABS?

this comp car is throwing me a bit
https://mckinneycompetitions.com/com...ns/live/?id=21

1509joe

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Has to be a V Limited with ABS also it has no DCCD.

MattyB1983

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V6 was available as a normal STI Type R or a STI Type R Limited. Both cars came without ABS and both had DCCD.

1509joe

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I doubt that car has been face lifted. I knew there was one with ABS and no DCCD cause I was going to buy one once but decided against it after viewing.

https://www.type-ra.com/impreza-my98...e-r-v-limited/

MattyB1983

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That's an earlier car, not available in my2000.

1509joe

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As said above I doubt that car has been face lifted and looking were it's from it could be the car I was looking at cause it had a v6 bumper. It also has single pot rears so the competition has listed it incorrectly.

MattyB1983

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It also has earlier style seats in it.

LewisScoob

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ABS and DCCD didnt co-exist in classics.

A WRX Type R non STI would not have DCCD but would have ABS. Thats what I think that car is/was.

The seats, rear lights, front bumper etc could all be swapped. The dash clock doesnt have RPM in the centre indicating it not being STI.

To be fair its not advertised as an STI...

Gambit

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That's because its been updated

rev counter is a good spot! main thing is its not a year 2000 car i dont think

1509joe

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Sliding single pot rear calipers only came on the v3 type r sti with an r180 diff also the discs where solid not vented. The link I put up is a v4 which I have not come across with vented rear discs and single pot calipers I suspect it has an r160 diff.

stockcar

the non DCCD cars always had the R160 diff also (hence sliding rear calipers on all variants) - think of it as a 4door STi in a 2door shell running gear wise...........

1509joe

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Never thought of it that way Alyn R180 wouldn't be called for with no DCCD