Jay_bee

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Just a quick one...

...I picked up MY99 a week and a half ago, its totally standard and a friend of mine has just got his ITR and reckons he's gonna give my Scoob a good seeing to. Cant see it really but I know they are pretty quick but has anyone had a run in with one? (obviously trackside)

alcazar

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Had a go with a couple when I had my '98 as a standard car.
In the wet, no contest, scoob wins hands down.
Handling: it's down to who's the best driver, or who is plain stupid!
In the dry, not a lot in it, depends on the launch, but they are quick.
I tried one out before I got the Scoob, and couldn't get my head round there being nowt below about 4000 revs. It was a shopper's car at that sort of engine revs:
I've not had a go with one since I got decat, and LINK, but would kill one now.

Alcazar

Jay_bee

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Cheers Alcazar

Knew its gonna be a close one in a stright line once underway, wasnt sure about the launch ability of them...
...anyway, it makes for a good bit of banter in the boozer

SJ_Skyline

Used to own a Modified MY00, now own an unmodified DC5 Integra.

In the Dry:
Scooby feels quicker 0-30.
Integra feels quicker 30-upwards.

In the Wet:
Scooby feels quicker hands down.

Power:
Unmodified, pretty mych the same - In the region of 220bhp

Handling:
Scooby on original Bridgestones felt fine.
Scooby on PZeros felt like it was on rails for first 2.5K miles then it felt crap.
Integra on original Bridgestones felt like it had no suspension!
Integra on Toyo T1-S's feels like it is on rails.

Internal Styling:
Integra wins, no contest! IMHO

Exterior styling:
Each to their own!

What lets them down?
Integra? - I miss the scooby rumble
Scooby? - Internal styling

Jay_bee

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Thanks SJ_Skyline

Im on Toyos, not sure what he's running. I havent seen an interior on the Integra but I have been in a CTR, which I thought was crap IMHO

J

SJ_Skyline

not a brilliant photo but: http://www.sjskyline.com/view_image....ageID=DSCF0016

Jay_bee

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I prefer mine TBH, the leather Momo in mine is much classier and Im really not sure about the red stitching either

greasemonkey

At end of day this is a largely pointless discussion. The result of any "run-in" is far more likely to be determined by your relative abilities as drivers and willingness to take risks rather than any performance difference in your cars.

As you say, it's good fodder down the boozer, but it's not as though either of you's going to win a prize, is it?

Jay_bee

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Maybe not but at the end of the day it was more out of interest rather than anything else. In other words, if the cars were driven by equally capable drivers, would the Integra be capable of giving the Scoob a good seeing to.
I understand that you could come up against someone in a 911 Turbo but if they cant drive it, then they might as well be driving a a 1.1 fiesta!
So I wouldnt say it was pointless.

Diablo

I've had both, I'll find the posts and come back to you.

Basically, in the dry, over 30 mph there is nothing in it.

In the wet, over 60 mph, nothing in it.

On track, Teg would toast a standard scoob. Period.

D

Jay_bee

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Thanks D

So there's nothing in it even in the wet???

Blimey, wasnt expecting that!! Oh well never mind, I'll have to get mine seen to then

Appreciate the you looking into it, dont think I'll tell my mate what you said tho

BTW, if you've had both, which do you prefer and wot u drivin now?

J

Diablo

Jay, in the wet the scoobs traction will overwhelm the Integra, but the 'Teg understeers less and has as much wet road grip as far as cornering is concerned.

AT speeds where traction is not an issue, the teg will be marginally better.

But please bear in mind that the differences are pretty small and generally there would be nothing in it unless on track with equal drivers.

Many will go on about how difficult it is to extract the best from a Teg power wise.

Its different, sure, but the usable power band is the same as the scoobs, just higher up.

For what its worth, I miss my scoob more than I miss my 'Teg, but not by much

Sleep easy in the knowledge that the MY99 was the best classic UK scoob (IMHO)

D

here's the link

http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...threadid=11576

Jay_bee

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Thanks D

Mucho appreciated. My mate has been absolutley ravin about his ITR and he's had it longer than I've had the Scoob so I've had to put up many conversations about it being the best car in the world

I wasnt suggesting that it wasnt a top motor, I fully appreciate VTEC madness but I prefer the looks of the Scoob.

By the sounds of it, most people on the board dont keep them standard for long. When I first picked her up, I said to myself I was gonna leave it totally standard (for better eventual re-sale value?) but not so sure now. Any thoughts?

J

RB5Caterham

Jay_Bee

Tell your mate, "yeah you probably would beat me".

Be modest because EVERYONE reckons their car is quicker than a Scoob.

Trust me!

Jay_bee

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Cheers RB5

I generally try to TBH, my usually response is "...yeah yeah, well done..." In a slightly patronising tone

Interestingly (or not) enough, another friend of mine has just bought an ITR and pretty much has the same thing to say as my other mate with on. Almost made me think I should have taken one out b4 a purchased the Scoob.....
.....on second thoughts.. nah, I love the Scoob and I have a massive grin on my face the second anyone mentions anything Scoob related.

J

Jay_bee

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Must apologise for all the typo's on my postings.

Diablo

Jay,

The way I see it is that they are both great cars.

Performance wise they are very similar - just a different take.

I suppose you could say that the Scoob is more road going rally car in its basic concept and the 'Teg is more road going race car. For me that sums it up.

Your mate will, however, be way ahead on running costs (as in much cheaper) but you can mod for, comparatively, buttons compared to the teg.

It will cost you hundereds for 50 BHP and him thousands for the same increase.

D

Jay_bee

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D,

Just read the thread you dug out for me. Gotta say that it really is an excellent comparison, totally objective, unbiased and informative. Cheers.

With regards to what I said about leaving mine standard, any thoughts?

J

Diablo

Mine was standard - as a company lease I was unable to do anything, but on the mods front I'd spend my money on brakes/suspension geometry/maybe a set of 17 inch wheels before going down the performance mods route.

D

Jay_bee

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Suspension geometry? What product would that be and what would be the advantage of that? Dont think I would want to make the suspension and harder/stiffer, it seems pretty damn good at the mo TBH.

My main concern was how it would affect the re-sale value. I was under the impression that the generally fetch better money when they have been untouched. Not that Im thinking of selling now or the near future but I always try to think ahead

J

Type R

My experience the Teg is quicker in virtually every scenario (Std V std)on road, on track, ther isnt a lot in it, agree, disagree it doesnt matter driven both. My 1.6 CTR used to be quicker than standard Scoob.

Jay_bee

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Type R

I used to find my VR6 was as good as any standard CTR, absolutely nothin in it at all. At the end of the day they're all top motors, reckon its just gonna come down to individual opinion. Without getting all of them alongside each other on a track with equally good/bad drivers, its just gonna be impossible to seperate them I would say, from what I have been seeing since making the original post?


J

cjaffray

I have an ITR and have pi**ed on many a standard scoob, if you are going head to head standard v's standard on a dual carriageway, not twisties because that wont proove out and out speed, the scoob will loose, once the ITR hits 60 it will start to leave you, guaranteed, id get a ss exhaust on your scoob then race your mate

SimonGT

as a Former MY00 Turbo and a 1998 ITR owner those 2 cars are so different its hard to compare them,
the ITR is a whole lot of fun but the Subaru offers more fun cause of the 4wd, but if we had a track in Iceland im not sure if i would ever have sold the ITR but im workin for a Subaru Dealership in iceland and i like to have some fun on gravel roads near Reykjavik...
But if i lived in UK, i would choose Subaru..

Jay_bee

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cjaffray

Pi**ed on??? Seems a bit extreme ? Could the people you were "racing" have been giving it everything they had or did you blast pass them on a dual carrigeway and wonder why they never quite caught you up? 90,100... 130 MPH is the same in any car. In two pretty equally matched cars, if you get the jump on the other car, its going to be quite hard for them to make ground on you no?

If you havent already, take a butchers at this thread...

http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/thread.asp?threadid=11576


J

Jay_bee

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SimonGt

Cheers M8

Hows the weather in Iceland?

J

cjaffray

I am not one of these who fly by someone and say "I smoked you no bother" im talking side by side go for it, The ITR pulls a fair bit away from the scoob during its 3rd gear and not much more after that, Pi**ed on might have been a bit extreme but Ive raced the Quarter mile (in the dry)and never been beaten by a standard scoob, usually win by about 1 and a half- 2 car lenghts.

[Edited by cjaffray - 1/9/2004 2:20:07 PM]

Jay_bee

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Fair play m8

Just out of interest, was yours totally standard at the time?

J

Diablo

Jay, stick a post in suspension or (dare I say) general about geometry mods and you'll get loads of responses.

As standard the scoob understeers - changing the geometry (really just setting it up differently) can make a big difference.

Do a search on bump steer - scoobs are qiute bad for it - there's a mod which can be done to prevent it - makes the car more stable when cornering by reducing front wheel deflection under suspension movement.

Happy searching

D

Jay_bee

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D

Thanks for your help. I must admit, I have found the understeer a tad unnerving having been used to FWD cars where the understeer is more controllable (certainly on my VR6 anyway), I thought it could have been down to tyre choice (got proxy's on at the mo).
Not sure it'll be appreciated if I start a thread in General on this one

J

[Edited by Jay_bee - 1/9/2004 3:56:17 PM]