fast bloke

Shaun - you have got to be kidding......... There are 33000 members her. There are about half a dozen complete *******. TK was not one of these. Sure she got involved in some heated debates, and possibly did not handle these in a constructive or completely mature manner, but it seems to me that, in particular two people have a major problem with TK. It is unfortunate for TK that these people happen to hold positions of power. I have never met any of you, so don't have a 'side' but what you have done imho is complete crap. I am sure there are many many others who would agree.

I have been around scoobynet for a long time - the craic is usually brilliant, with the odd 'high tension' day, but I am surprised that it has come to the point where someone gets banned for the reasons given.

What I have posted here is simply my personal opinion based on observations of the board, so I would ask that you don't delete or lock this thread. To do so would simply be an admission that I am correct and you have no valid arguement.

I would also ask that anyone else who thinks the ban is unjust post their support for TK here and then refrain from further posting until the situation is settled in a fair manner.

[now steps over the line]
Shaun - based on my observations yourself and Redkop have a personal issue with TK, and it is this more than anything else which has led to the ban. Feel free to delete this paragraph if you deem it necessary, but once again, to delete it without defending your position is tantamount to an admission of guilt.

[steps back behind the line and hangs up posting boots for the foreseeable future]

Luke

Her ban is not the answer.

Chip

Maybe if she'd read this then things would be different.


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Spoon

Well, as said before elsewhere, the decision stinks.

If there are personal issues too with the key-holders and TK then I think it stinks more than I thought and should lead to their downfall on Scoobynet followed by public humiliation by way of egging in stocks then dipped in feathers and made to live on an Ostrich farm till they die.

Right, off to Exotica.

Barbara Hannah

Quite strange that TurboKitty is banned and yet the king of flame, pslewis is allowed to continue posting his inflammatory comments ad nauseum with the express intention of starting flame wars at every opportunity.

StickyMicky

how do u know hes the king of flame if u only have 3 posts?

always suspect when a "newbie" makes such claims

CharlieWhiskey

TK is the victim of a hate campaign, she is usually justified in her defence. By banning her you are pandering to the wishes of the abusive antagonistic prats who insist on winding her up[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

There are far too many antagonistic annoying prats on here who break the rules every time they post [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

WHY DONT YOU BAN THEM?

My strike starts now

ex-webby

Fast Bloke,

The fact that TK has been banned, is certainly a last resort policy. Something, that any of the Scoobynet Team certainly do not take lightly.

The banning became the only solution, after direct warnings and advice had been totally ignored on countless occasions (both on and off-line). Please remember, this has been going on for many many months, so any argument that we havent tried everything else, is certainly not applicable.

While not many people in the history of Scoobynet have ever been banned (which again, bolsters up the rarity of such a decision), neither has any one single person had so much help and advice to try to stop this end action being taken.

Unfortunately, time and time again, TK was involved in disruptive arguments (as well as breaking forum guidelines) on Scoobynet, which on many occasions have runined threads in there entirety. This was the main reason for the ban, as this has been happening over several months. What makes this even more of an issue, is the fact that TK had been repeatedly directly commented to on both her unacceptable behaviour and also warned of the outcome.

I think the major point here, is that we had been contacted by many individuals from the Scoobynet community concerning her behaviour.... certainly more so, than any other individual, since I have been a part of the team (which has been for about 3 years).

You remark that what we have done is c**p. I certainly do not ever relish in being involved in the processes of banning someone, again, this truly is the last resort, but after many warnings (of this kind of action), which TK has ignored, I am rather puzzled what else we were meant to do. You must appreciate, this has not come out of the blue, as it has been after a lengthy process of both advice and warnings.

Community members do cross the boundarys of either the forum guidelines or the general community spirit. As with any other member, if these lines are crossed the individual will be approached, advised and/or reprimanded if needed. If this continues, over a period of time, and advice and warnings are totally ignored, the only action left is for that individual to be banned. Luckly, 99.9% of community members that are approached take heed of the advice and warnings, sadly for TK this was not the case, time and time again.

If you read again my post in the other thread, you will certainly see without doubt that I certainly do not have a personal issue with TK. The reason why TK was banned, was not a overall decision made by myself. It came about by the reasons stated above, and even then was discussed between all 20 moderators before this final action had been taken.

No one single person instigates a banning, in fact, this is the first person I have ever banned myself in 3 years.... surely a far cry from assuming I am using/abusing my position of power.

I hope this helps to clarify why and the processes involved, highlighting especially that this was not a trigger happy reaction, as in fact it was an issue that had been ongoing for many months.

Regards,
Shaun.

Chip

Come on guys, let show a bit of support for the Mods. They give up hours and hours of their own unpaid time then get slagged off for taking action against someone who has clearly not heeded the warnings that have been given to her.

I for one fully support them in what they have done and publicly thank them for all the effort that they put in to keeping this BBS going like it has done for the past 5 years.

Chip.

talizman

iTrader: (1)

I don't think there is anything "secret" about it!

If a regular member wants to express an opinion form an anonymous standpoint, then the norm is to register another username and do so, hence the "newbie" ID.

Its certainly what I'd do if I wished to post anonymously....

With regards to the topic, I must have had my head in the sand recently as this is all news to me.....

Or does it mostly take place in the Muppets? as I don't go in there.....

[Edited by talizman - 11/16/2003 11:52:33 AM]

Gridlock Mikey

Break the rules, again and again, you should get sent off!

Mikey

talizman

iTrader: (1)

If that were the case, we'd have no players on the park, cos I've witnessed some behaviour that, in your example, would cause lots to be banished!

Gridlock Mikey

Maybe that should be what happens then! It would certainly tidy up the "Customer Base"

I've not been an Angel in my time on scoobynet, but there are folk on here that i have been forced to "ignore" Remember Imah? Was funny, went mental, calmed down, went abusive and then dissapeared. Turned up a few weeks later, different ID but better behaved.
PS Lewis, another who has calmed down/gotten bored. I never did find his deliberate flaming "Funny" but he and his fan club did. I learned to live with it because how dare anyone challenge him and if you did, you were a fool for "Falling for the bait"
TK was another user that used to make me wince at the directness of some of her comments and sometime wholly inappropriate input.

Alot of folk go on about how the quality of scoobynet has taken a dive, well I for one believe that the membership has too many of this type of person and something needed doing. TK has taken the hit because she pushed it too far. If it were a lesser known member of the community, do you think all this would be being discussed? Can't have rules for TK and rules for everyone else.
I hope that positive things comes out of this. 1)TK comes back and is "sociable" and 2)people who are deliberatley antagonistic, think twice about posting

Mikey

Barron

33,000 members? it always seems to be the same names over and over, it should say 33,000 people have registered,
mods out turbo kitty in

SiDHEaD

Well done mods, as chip said.

Have a nice "strike" whiners Anyone heard of cutting nose of to spite face?


Andy

Chip

TBH TK has never bothered me as I dont stray into the Muppets area because of all the stuff that goes on in there. Just feel that the mods should be shown a bit more support in this instance.

chip.

Daz34

Another vote for the mods.
I think people jump on their backs far too quickly.

uksti

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In at Number one -
Family
Everyone has enough to eat
Everyone has enough water
Everyone enjoys good health

Middle:
Wealth
Scoobies

Bottom:
Is VBH fat ?

Sub-Zero:
Internet BBS

Sub-sub Zero:
This subject

Baz (who has done all he can for the important points and would prefer not to waste anymore of his bandwidth on this one)

EvilBevel

Hmmmm... so you don't care, but feel the need to post about it...

Weird

FWIW FB, I don't really have an opinion (I hate banning) but then again it's a temporary ban if I'm not mistaken ?

What I dislike - but maybe I just don't understand the reasons - is why this had to be announced in General by the webmaster. Public flogging ?

Don't we have email and Scoobynet Policy for "events" like this ?

StickyMicky

shes banned, there not gonna change there minds becuase sum people winge about it (if they do there gutless )

get over it people, if u dont like it then dont use scoobynet, if u do use scoobynet then pls dont winge about how its taking a dive or sum other wingey topic.

if shes been warned and continiued to flaunt the warnings then tuff titty imo

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

bring back TK
i thought i was worse than her!!

Crapaud62

On balance I'm with the mods on this one.

Of course the mods aren't perfect and I personally dislike the inconsistencies between different mods and the manner in which some appear to allow their personal opinions to override the the forum guidelines (mostly Redkop who appears to be the least "mature" of the mods).

Like many who post a lot in Muppets I may have crossed the line once or twice and had the odd thread edited. Also it can be fun to deliberately wind people up at times just to get a discussion going.

However, the key element is humour. I never noticed any humour in any of TK's posts, just shoot from the hip abuse. Many times someone would post an innocent opinion (not always in Muppets where the mild do not enter) and be ripped apart with abuse from TK. This adds nothing to Scoobynet and devalues the overall quality of the board.

I would like to know what the supporters would do if they were mods? Would they just let the board decend into chaos? Seriously, what do they propose as an alternative to anyone who totally disregards the basic guidelines repeatedly.

I have never complained about any of TKs posts. As soon as she entered a thread you knew that it would just desend to personal abuse so there was no point in reading on. Hit the back button and leave. The trouble with this approach is that the board becomes just a forum for slanging matches.

A minority vote of support for the mods.

Luke

tt

MadMark

This is all very sad and very silly - I know that everyone needs to take a stand at times - on both sides, but this is crazy!

Snake

Bring back TK.

There are loads of peeps in this forum who do/did far worse than TK ever did.....just look in CWE. There are loads of racist examples there!

Snake.

Sith

I agree with the mods.

MadMark

So why is Chaos not getting the same treatment - he seemed far worse to me!