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23 October 2003, 09:18 PM
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Buy a sh1te old banger and use that instead or prepare to damage your wheels when you slide into a high curb.
Not that I'm talking from experience or anything
Not that I'm talking from experience or anything
23 October 2003, 09:29 PM
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This is a popular topic on here in the winter, just wait for the first snow falls and see the 'how bad is my ABS' threads appear
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23 October 2003, 09:35 PM
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daveydog , had mine for the first winter last year, and in the ice a 'young lady'did a 'Torvil and Dean' infront of me and ended up at 90 degrees to the curb .I was a long way back from her but trying to stop the Scooby on an icey road was very scary , it was like trying to stop a super tanker, some on here suggest taking out the ABS fuse , perhaps try a search on ABS over last winter .
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23 October 2003, 09:38 PM
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i was wondering about this last nite
is the ABS really that bad? or is it just that the 4wd system places to much beef, on a car trying to slow down in slippery conditions?
is the ABS really that bad? or is it just that the 4wd system places to much beef, on a car trying to slow down in slippery conditions?
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23 October 2003, 09:39 PM
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Never mind the snow, I've 360'd on a pile of bloody leaves this afternoon. Thankfully 'twas a quiet car park, and I was just 'SEEING IF IT WOULD...'
23 October 2003, 11:06 PM
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ABS doesnt work well on snow or ice, the car itself should be ok, if you drive it properly in the bad condtions (ie according to the conditions, so slowly) but drive it too fast and you will come unstuck
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, excellent fun , good ability shame about the drivers sometimes (biggest cause of accidents, putting all their faith into the car and not their own skill.....)
Tony
PS, when it snows, find a deserted car park and have some fun, no need for the handbrake as a quick flick will get the rear out, then control on the throttle
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, excellent fun , good ability shame about the drivers sometimes (biggest cause of accidents, putting all their faith into the car and not their own skill.....)Tony
PS, when it snows, find a deserted car park and have some fun, no need for the handbrake as a quick flick will get the rear out, then control on the throttle
23 October 2003, 11:25 PM
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Listen to TonyBurns - lucky enough to have a huge car park at work and get on there every opportunity in the snow and ice - fookin' fun or what ?? Prepares you for the road 
Drive accordingly - lots of cars have ABS !!
Drive accordingly - lots of cars have ABS !!
23 October 2003, 11:43 PM
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There are acutally several huge carparks at work, and when it does snow most people cant get in to work (good job i had the scoob with me that week eh! )
Its actually nice to know how easy it is to control your car in a situation where you have lots of space, the scariest part is actually having 215/40/17 tyres which dont give you alot of grip on snow, and you feel every bit of ice on the road too
Tony
)Its actually nice to know how easy it is to control your car in a situation where you have lots of space, the scariest part is actually having 215/40/17 tyres which dont give you alot of grip on snow, and you feel every bit of ice on the road too
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23 October 2003, 11:48 PM
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Spot on there Tony
I have 225/35x18's and they're lots of fun in the snow and ice !! But, even they can be controlled if you know what you're doing - you can only get that experience by putting your car into a slide and correcting it - still great fun tho' eh ??
I have 225/35x18's and they're lots of fun in the snow and ice !! But, even they can be controlled if you know what you're doing - you can only get that experience by putting your car into a slide and correcting it - still great fun tho' eh ??
23 October 2003, 11:54 PM
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think of us with Type-R's - no ABS and RWD handling
LOL - guess who'll be grinning come ice and snow
LOL - guess who'll be grinning come ice and snow
While you generally are better off without ABS, the importance of this pales into insignificance compared with the amount of grip your tyres are capable of generating. Modern, wide "summer" tyres are sh*t on snow, and no unstudded tyres grip properly on ice, so expect another rash of broken Scooby sob stories if the roads do turn white.
thought there might be a way to drive out of it with 4wd
If you're this concerned, some proper winter tyres will help a lot. The narrower they are, the more open the tread pattern and the taller the sidewall the better.
Tony is right, a deserted car park for practice and constant respect are the orders of the day.
[Edited by greasemonkey - 10/24/2003 12:01:35 AM]
24 October 2003, 01:10 AM
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Do not remove your fuse for the ABS system. Anyone telling you that ABS does not work on snow-ice has no idea what they are talking about. This may have been true 10+years ago when ABS first came about on road cars, but it is not true any more. Having spent alot of time in Norway and Sweden I have seen many demo's on the advantages of ABS and also using winter tyres. I would never dream about disableing my ABS in winter.
A good set of winter tyres would be a good idea. I had no problems using my Old Escort RS4x4 with winter tyres, that thing would go fine in snow. The only problems you will have is when it get upto the axles. Then you are stuffed.
[Edited by stiler83 - 10/24/2003 1:13:16 AM]
A good set of winter tyres would be a good idea. I had no problems using my Old Escort RS4x4 with winter tyres, that thing would go fine in snow. The only problems you will have is when it get upto the axles. Then you are stuffed.
[Edited by stiler83 - 10/24/2003 1:13:16 AM]
24 October 2003, 09:04 AM
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This may have been true 10+years ago when ABS first came about on road cars, but it is not true any more.
What's the scoop with winter tyres then ? If you want narrow, high sidewall tyres presumably that means different rims, and that those of us with big brakes are just scr*wed ?
24 October 2003, 09:15 AM
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Hmmmm, well i can definately tell you that ABS on snow or ice hinders your stopping ability.
ABS works when the wheel looses grip, it then pulses the braking system on and off so that the wheel doesnt lock up, now the fact is, on ice you have no chance of stopping, with or without ABS, on snow, due to the low levels of grip, the ABS is constantly working, ok this seems like a good idea, but in fact, with snow the only way to stop is to have it build up infront of your wheels, something ABS doesnt let you do as it keeps releasing the brakes so it takes LONGER to stop
As i have stated before, ABS and snow dont mix.
Studded winter tyres would be a good idea with ABS as you would have grip but they only use them in countries where they have lots of snow, possably what you have seen??
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ABS works when the wheel looses grip, it then pulses the braking system on and off so that the wheel doesnt lock up, now the fact is, on ice you have no chance of stopping, with or without ABS, on snow, due to the low levels of grip, the ABS is constantly working, ok this seems like a good idea, but in fact, with snow the only way to stop is to have it build up infront of your wheels, something ABS doesnt let you do as it keeps releasing the brakes
so it takes LONGER to stop As i have stated before, ABS and snow dont mix.
Studded winter tyres would be a good idea with ABS as you would have grip but they only use them in countries where they have lots of snow, possably what you have seen??
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24 October 2003, 10:02 AM
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To be honest Scoobs arn't the only cars that suffer, all new cars with ABS are generaly the same... As most use the same suppliers for the ABS logic... That said my last car a 330 BM ran on 18's and with 255's on the back was undrivable in the snow... and I mean it simply would not move! If you stopped on snow it didn't have enough grip to even get the car rolling even on the flat, even in 3rd without the TC. It was just dangerous with i lite snow fall it couldn't get out of my drive and the slope is barely noticable. I'm hopeing for better things this year and have kep the original golds that came new on the car, i may even slap some of those Vredsteieieieieien things on its gotta be better! 4wd the sticker in the window says!
24 October 2003, 10:11 AM
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I'd say that as long as you can cadence brake then the ABS is not an issue. Certainly that's what I did during last yrs snow and didn't have a problem. I think too many people forget to drive according to the conditions and assume that driving an AWD car somehow makes them invincible. It doesn't.
24 October 2003, 10:18 AM
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If you ran a scoob with winter tyres, you would have a "slight" advantage over a fwd/rwd car, but due to the low ammounts of snow, most people dont want to splash out on winter tyres (and a big brake kit can get in the way )
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24 October 2003, 10:28 AM
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I've just splashed out on a set of 17's with 205/45 Snowprox for the winter. Type R's can be fun in the snow but got sick of bouncing of kerbs
24 October 2003, 10:55 AM
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My point is that if its no worse than my old FWD cars then I'm happy....FFS snow and ICE is slippery stuff so I expect to slide no matter what?? Anyways we hardly get snow down here in the sarf and if we do I can always stay in and relax in the warm!