talizman

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My next Scoob (when I get rid of the current!) will probably be a P1...

However, recently I've been considering getting a V6 Type R instead.

I don't want to start a P1 Vs Type R debate, but I am after your opinions on what one will be easier to live with. (please also state of you own one of the contenders so I know if oyu are biased! )

As far as I'm aware, the Type R has the adjustable centre diff and folding mirrors, whereas the P1 has a friendlier suspension set-up and a UK friendly ECU in its favour. Other than this are they pretty identical, cosmetics aside?

Obviously the P1 will be easier(?) to insure and will be serviceable by Subaru, but then again, the Type R is still an appealing option, especially since a Version 6 (W reg) is circa £2k cheaper than a P1.

Your thoughts?

Davey P

iTrader: (1)

I was in the same position as you a little while ago and I chose the P1.

The reason's for this are the ones you have listed above things like petrol and servicing

Mickle

And warranty on the P1.

MorayMackenzie

Type R can easily be ECUTEK remapped and springs can easily be changed to, for instance, a set of Eibachs. This would still leave you with a big difference between the prices.

The type R would be more of an entertaining driver's car than the P1.

I have neither. If I had to choose, it would be type R.

ScoobyKev

I had the choice and went P1 for warranty issues

what would scooby do

I chose the Type R as it's better value and much more fun than a P1

They are NOT cheaper to run or easier to live with BTW

JayCole

I went for the P1 but it's now for sale so consider mine if you go for P1's

greasemonkey

A lot would depend on what sort of driving you do. If you spend lots of time on the motorway, the Type R's ultra-short gearing may eventually get on your nerves, as well as cost even more in fuel.

However, if the question is which is the better "driver's car", irrespective of other parameters, it'd be the one I'd have...

talizman

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With regards to warranty issues, if I were to go for a P1, it'd be about a W or X plate, so the warranty may have expired or be soon to expire so this isn't really a factor.

Greasemonkey, I travel a stretch of the M8 for about a 10 mile round trip each day, going to and from work. All my other driving is about town.

Do you think the Type R would get on my nerves with such few M/way miles?

Keep the opinions coming guys!

Triple X

iTrader: (1)

I wouldnt say the gearing is ultra-short. Nowhere near like the gearbox in my bro's V2 Type RA. I expected the Type R to be similar but was shocked to find it wasnt at all.

greasemonkey

Talizman, 10 miles is what, 6 to 8 minutes without traffic problems? I'd imagine the grin factor will outweight the annoyance if that's all you're doing.

If you want to simulate the experience on a UK car, try driving on the motorway in 4th, as this is about the same (actually slighly longer) than top in a Type R.

Triple X - The gearing on the Type R's should be the same as a Type RA of equivalent age, so something odd going on there. Later ones should be 18.5mph/1000rpm in top, unless you're talking about a V-Limited with the longer 5th. Don't know enough about the earlier cars to know whether they're any shorter.

[Edited by greasemonkey - 8/20/2003 5:07:55 PM]

Mickle

So what's the top speed in a Type-R? P1's can get off the clock at 160+

Gedi

You will save more than £2000 by getting a TypeR and you will get much more car for your money.

I was in the same situation as you. I drove both P1's and TypeRs befoe I made my decision. The TypeR deffinelty put a much bigger smile on my face than the P1 did.

A few things to take into account:
- As said, the ECU can easily be remapped, this map will be better suited to the actual car than any std P1 map.
- There is absolutly nothing wrong with the suspension on the TypeR. I see no reason to make it any softer at all !!
- You get the adj diff which is great fun on a wet road.
- When I imported mine, it came with a FULL 1 year warranty which is fully extendable.
- I do use the motorway. For this reason, I opted for the Limited edition model which had the higher 5th gear.
- as for servicing, whether I had a P1, TypeR or a UK wagon, I wouldn't take it to Subaru for the servicing anyway. It would always go to a specalist. (have you seen what the mechanics at dearlership do to the cars???)

Putting all this down on paper I had to go for the TypeR.

Don't get me wrong, the P1 is an amazing car, and an icon in its own respect, but the only place it stands above the TypeR is the fuel map (see above) and the Insurance. My insurance quotes were £1500 for a P1, and £1800 for a TypeR with Tesco car insurance at 23 years old.

Which ever you choose, your gonna have some fun

CavT

I thought the Type R's shorter gearing limited it to 120mph? Unless of course its sixth gear is extremely long!

greasemonkey

With 18.5mph/1000rpm and a 7900rpm rev limit, the top speed would be around 146, not accounting for tyre expansion.

The P1 may theoretically go off the clock, but the Type-R's gearing makes it much more "usable" at real road speeds

CavT - the 120 (112mph actual) limit on JDM cars is nothing to do with the gearing. The limiter is a compulsory electronic device that can be removed/circumvented.

[Edited by greasemonkey - 8/20/2003 5:05:24 PM]

john banks

Don't drive your Type R in top gear at 7900 RPM. This is classic blow up territory - far too much engine load for too long with inadequate octane and no relief from steadily rising charge temperatures. Airflow through the scoop is not so much the issue but more that you are holding the engine at full power for a long time. Road intercoolers are designed to not be under this extended load and want to have some cruise off maximum power to get rid of the heat.

Adam M

greasemonkey.

early type rs were far shorter, doing close to 115mp at 7k in top.

late ras were similar to the type rs which came from version 3 onwards.

top gear is 19.6mph/1000rpm not 18.5 and red line on the sti versions is 8250, but hard redline on gauge is at 8k.

the gearing is by no means tiresome, and is the same as on a 205 1.6 gti or a mk 2 golf gti 16v etc etc.



People are forgetting abs.

the P1 has abs. this is not somethign that can be retrofitted easily, but am sure some bright spark could figure it out.

the suspension talk is nonsense. the type r is far from uncomfortable, and as for running costs. Both will be expensive and if you are counting the difference, then neither car is for you.

Performance and fun factor wise its the type r any day. My main reason would be due to the quick steering rack which is about £1200 to put on the P1.

Closely followed by the dccd, which is a great tool if you know how to use it.

I do in theory but havent had enough road access to get used to it.

CavT

Do the Scooby speedos get their readings electronically or is it all through a manual speedo cable?

dhorwich

P1's are £18-20K

WRX STI-5/6 TYPE R's are £13-16K

Alot of difference in price, will the warranty and insurance make up nearly £4-5K..??? And how much warranty would an £18K P1 have on it..?? If you get the type R just get a new ecu or remap for £1000 max and a knocklink £150.

Plus if you want a type r there are a few colours to choose from other than blue.... i.e white, black, yellow, grey, silver e.t.c


********DCCD******** this would be so cool or those large round abouts in the wet..!!!!!

Dan

scoobynutta555

Regards the warranty questions here. Seems to me that few people if any know about the extra 2 year warranty u can get from Subaru for circa £500 on UK cars.

With the amount of big end threads about sti type Rs the moment i think you would easily recoup circa 4-5 grand youd spend on a P1 if the engine went on the sti. Also all things being equal when u sell the car you would expect to get a good deal back of your extra spends.

I sold my sti5typeR and bought a P1 and have never looked back, i doubt if there have been many from a P1 to an stitypeR

chrisp

My RA was 9K less than a P1 when I had it new, I doubt its worth 9K less than a P1 now .

16vmarc

Is the Type-R a v6 then?

scoobynutta555

Whos comparing what your car was new to a P1 Im simply saying what the situation is now Re Talizmans requested age of car, x y reg. As both cars have had most depreciation taken out of them, and given that they should depreciate equally from now on, then although the P1 is more expensive to buy, youll recoup a great deal of this difference when you come to sell.

chrisp

I did when I brought it that was my choice and the RA was 9K cheaper .

chrisp

marc there was a v6 type r (v=version not v6 engine)

they started from version 3

16vmarc

Ah right! so is the Type-R similar spec to P1 then?

dhorwich

The P1 is just a type R but without the toys..!! and a bigger price tag...

scoobynutta555,

There are a fair few P1's that go bang too... I mean they both have the same engine... and after all its mechanical failure...

All you have to do is spend a litte on the ECU and you have a car as reliable as a P1... hence the 4-5K saving..

Just my 2p worth.. I love both cars but the type r is a drivers car with the DCCD e.t.c and with all the scooby oversteer problems it may come in handy..

Dan

16vmarc

wot toys u get with Type-R??!!!

dhorwich

Driver control centre differential

In automatic mode, the computer varies the front/rear torque split automatically depending on driving conditions and driver input. In manual mode, the DCCD system allows the driver to vary the front-to-rear torque distribution for different driving conditions. Using a small control wheel on the car's center console, the driver can set the system to transfer as much as 65 percent of available torque to the rear wheels to increase handling agility

electric folding mirrors e.t.c

Dan

16vmarc

Cool serious piece of kit then!!!