TON3

I have a totally std sti7, and my m8's gtir whips mine 2 40mph, after that he can foget it but its annoying when every short set of lights we get 2 he canes off, is this normal? the lag i get seems unreal!

RB170

Give it more revs

TON3

I gave it 3grand!

RB170

try 5

TON3

5 eh, ok i will im gonna get the smell of sweet burnin clutch?

KnobbySP1

Mine was the same until the PPP went on.

Revs have to be really high to get any power on the std STi7 and then it dies off again before the end of the rev range.

If not PPP then aftermarket mods can fix the problem for less money as well. Check the tech threads for more info.

RB170

Ton3 m8 don't do it

I'd live with it or get a PPP and ecat the whole thing then we'll see who's quickest up to 40

[Edited by RB170 - 5/27/2003 11:17:57 AM]

andrew420

what has your mate done to the datsun?

TON3

Cheers guys, £1900 4 the ppp i will have 2 save, my m8's car is pretty much std apart from the decatted system he's got! I did pass him at 80mph like he like he was going backwards!

TON3

One more thing i was thinking of getting an hks system, i know i'll void the warranty but it sounds fat, is there a chip that is as good as the prodrive one? I dont want 2 go mad on power either just the same results as a ppp would be fine!

clubby

TON
I have an Euro import STI7 with a full decat (Magnex freeflow system) and Ecutek remap. On the rolling road at Power Station a few weeks back I got 314bhp.
The remap was £650, and the exhaust was on the car when I got it.

TON3

314bhp! thats more like it clubby i bet it sounds fat wiv the system, where u not bothered about the warranty?

andrew420

Hmmm u do realise you mate can still wind the boost up and with a filter will be lookin at around 300 BHP.


But yes i'd say full decatted system plus filter should help your car come on boost earlier

Markus

There is the consideration that the GTiR is smaller and therefore a bit lighter than the WRX, so this may well have a ratehr large factor in your *** being grass.

clubby

TON3
Mine is a 2002 Euro Import so only came with a years warranty anyway. Litchfield Imports added a two year Warranty Holdings warranty> (Litchfield and Power Station did the mods). The warranty says that it covers the mods as well - but from what I've heard about Warranty Holdings it's probably not worth the paper it's written on.

So far I havent really needed the warranty. It's a March 2002 car now with 11k on the clock, no real problems to speak of.

Only problem I had related to the OBD box, which is no longer on the car.
I love the car, it's magic.

A7NTY

Simple - The GTi-R is a very very quick car, a total pocket rocket.
Apparently they are faster than a Mclaren F1 in 1st gear!?!?
Having driven them and many other sports cars, I was very impressed with their lunatic performance. I am sure an STI Type R would spank a standard GTiR, but they are very quick and I have seen them keep up with big power skylines no problem around a track.

Anthony.

simb 2

iTrader: (3)

Sorry to hi-jack the thread, Clubby where did you get the Ecutek done?

simb

jameswrx

iTrader: (4)

and?, whats the problem there

pure and simple the GTi-R with decat and 1bar is the king (bang for buck)

Flame suit on

Carl2

Take it he has a standard Gtir then?

I doubt they are faster than a Maclaren F1 in first.

nisr227

OK, as an owner of a 300bhp GtiR (unichip mapped etc) I can tell you that the jump from a standard one to a decent setup one is rather large.

A standard R has 220bhp and does 13.9 sec 1/4 miles, decat it and with an induction your looking at 240bhp and 13.6/7 1/4 miles. I can tell you that a few years back when mine was standard I was the same as a P1 upto about 60mph and then he pulled out and overtook me (on here as P1 enthusiast),so the mods began...

.....run 1 bar with a decent fuel correct setup (very important!) and your looking at prooven 12.7sec 1/4 mile with 300bhp, far far quicker than standard. and quicker than even PPPs, but then a 300bhp R weighing just 1250kilos (less if lightweight without a/c etc) does have a power per weight ratio off about 244bhp per ton so you would kinda of expect that.

I know of a person who has done a 12.5 running 1.2bar standard internals at the pod, and another with 1.2bar but with Motech and still standard internals (says he runs 310bhp but I think its more like 330) who has run a 12.3 run as driven my Skidmarcus on here, so they can be very quick off the lights for the power outlay.

There's also a white one (lex) now with high top end power kicking ar*s with 500bhp Slylines well above 100mph+....don't believe me?...just read Jap UK meets forum and the Skyline owners.

So for such a small car then can fly, especially when setup well.

They don't grip so well as Sti but with the correct whileline and bumpsteer mods they certainly can.

Defiant STI

I saw a Pulsar having ago on the M27 with a brand new Porsche 911. It was unreal how it was sticking to the Porker's rear. If I hadn't seen it myself I wouldn't have believed it. If only I had my digital camera on me. I didn't see how it started or ended as the 1.1 Micra I was in couldn't keep up

Great stuff!

nisr227

.....I had a go with a Silver 996 Porshe in my Pulsar, and was even surprised myself to stick right on his tail from 80mph - 120mph all the way in 5th before slowing down, and he was trying becuase I was (cough) very close.
Also an RS4 had a go a few weeks back and I managed to pull a few car lengths away from a rolling start, and he was trying too.. saw the whole car's suspension shift under the gearchanging inthe rear mirror. No doubt if we ever got to really big speeds they both would beat me, but I normal slow down before then. So you can surprise some decent cars.

[Edited by nisr227 - 5/28/2003 12:01:21 AM]

DreXeL

I believe they are quick cars from all these stories, but from the experiences I've had with them they didn't seem that quick. First time was on the road when my car was standard and there was absolutely nothing in it between mine and his car, he wasn't pulling away and I wasn't gaining on him. The performance was exactly the same. Well on the straight anyway, when it got twisty I was all over him. The other time was on the Track at the CCC action day at castle coombe last month. A light blue GTI-R went out during the same session as me, and I totally wiped the floor with it, I was up his @rse through the Bobbies then I went past him on the straight with ease. My car is not massively tuned, Just de-cat/indution kit/dawes@1.2 bar, Prodrive suspesion pack, Bumpsteer mod, around 270bhp.

All I can put it down to is the first one couldn't have been running right (my UK MY97 was completely standard then), and the one on the track must have been standard (220bhp) compared to my 270bhp.

Either way they didn't impress me, I'm sure one will, but I've yet to see it.

TON3

Yeah like a said it seems incredibly quick to around 40mph, but from then on he was drifting further and further behind by the time we were up to 130mph he was way down the road!

Thx 4 the replys guys, next time ill give it 5grand and see what happens!

A7NTY

"I doubt they are faster than a Maclaren F1 in first."

I agree - but thats what someone told me?!? Maybe its bo11ocks but its not totally unbelieveable.

Anthony.

nisr227

No problem, any scoobs who want to take on some GtiRs your welcome to have race at Santapod this saturday (RWYB) and Sunday (Redline Hot hatch day), there maybe be a few of us there. Come over and say Hello, all friendly banter.

Re the track days, I was at castle Combe during Japfest and was on the track for the first ever time in very wet condtions, it was all new to me and I drove very easily...probably too slow but it was my first ever go...has it ever occured that others could be doing the same? I've seen Saxo's overtake Scoobs on tracks in the past....that doesn't mean scoobs are slower it just means the driver is taken it very very easily.

If you think an Sti is faster, even after 40mph, then fine, I have to disagree on my recent experience. I've come accross a few and I've had no problems on the straights. Obviously in standard trim the corners are different, but with mods they can be as quick. It has to be said there are many dogs examples of GtiRs out there, some not running as well as they should, they are old now after all.

My brother sold his original shape WRX (an early sti) for a Gti-R too, and admits his car, or be it with some mods (forged pistons) is far quicker, even quicker than his mates new Evo8 FQ300 on the straights, and although behind on the corners a bit, the Evo8 does grip damn well.

Pulsars are now old cars, but IF modified and setup correctly (fuel) they are quick. And, as mentioned, if you think they are slow at higher speeds like in 4th gear(i.e110mph+) then look out for a ivory White one, you'll be surprised.

I'm not dissing scoobs, they are fine cars, just backing up Pulsar owners.

10 of the best this year could be fun, Scoobs V Pulsars, friendly banter.

DreXeL

If you re-read my post You'll notice I wasn't on a track the first time, it was on the road and my car was standard. Like I said, the Pulsar couldn't have been running right, because our cars were exactly the same on the straights, nothing in it.

The one I met on the track may have been taking it easy, maybe his car was standard agianst my 270bhp, either way I blew him away.

I'm not doubting they are quick cars, I saw one keeping up with a Skyline at Japfest, but my personal experience of them hasn't been that impressive, I obviously haven't come across the right ones.


[Edited by DreXeL - 5/28/2003 11:54:18 AM]

Paul_M

No chance! Not unless the traction is totally crap allowing the AWD to gain a massive advantage. The McL has over 600BHP and weighs less than 1150Kg and no turbo-lag (since it's NA). It also has 335 width tyres on the rear so if it's dry the McLaren will have completed the 1/4 before the GTiR is even outta first

These things are bloody quick, totally outta the league of almost all the Jap turbos. I seen one destroy a highly tuned Supra on the 1/4m strip. Specs are:

Top speed 231 mph
0-60 mph 3.2 sec.
0-100 mph 6.3 sec.
0-150 mph 12.8 sec.
0-200mph 28.0 sec.

So in the time taken for a well-driven standard GTI-R or Scooby to complete the 1/4 mile the F1 will be doing 150MPH. That's a phenomenal difference.

polarbearit

Going back a couple of years a mate of mine had a 280 ish bhp (1bar, breathing mods, remap etc) GTiR, at the time I had a similarly modified Scooby (again running similar power)... My car was generally quicker! His car much scarier - brakes not up to much and there wasn't the grip the scooby had!

Still great little cars and loads of fun, but my mate wished he had a bought a scooby as the GTiR used to do about 15mpg and cost him a fair bit to straighten!

nisr227

polar - GtiRs are moving on very quickly these days, people are learning how to tune correctly and use the best aftermarket products, instead of just wacking up the boost. I know of a 310bhp one thats pretty quick (12.3 1/4 miles)for its power.

Re the Mac F1 comment, when they are moving there is nothing much that can live with one, but very High powered 4wd drive cars like Skylines will launch better with power and can therefore cover faster 1/4 mile times. Only the very extreme Puslars will have any chance over a 1/4 mile and it will be overtaken at speed at the line!

Tuned examples:
Mac F1 is 11.1secs @134mph
UK Sumo Skyline has recorded 10.5secs (i've heard)
UK Norris' Evo 10.99secs and getting quicker
Fastests UK Pulsar is 11.01secs on an airfield.