( R6 CDW )

Have seen the 0-60 of the 03 wrx with ppp being "QUOTED" at 4.8 sec, And a top speed of 157mph.
Can this be true ?.
Is a wrx ppp as fast as a bogo sti ?

Or are the figures being beefed up slightly ?

Could i ask for sencible answers please, THANKS!!.

CHRIS.

P S how long from ordering does it take to have ppp fitted ?

T5NYW

iTrader: (4)

Yep a MY03WRX PPP will whop a Std MY03STi in the real world too according to pair of army guys who have one of each over our way

so save on car, save on PPP, save on insurance and then buy some Prodrive Springs and PDf18" wheels Better handling and save on unsprung weight. Then wait for Prodrive ATD system and bobs your uncle a very capable car and still cheaper car IMHO

PPP could be available tomorrow at certain delars if are in stock or a few weeks or so if you order Just depends

Tony

[Edited by T5NYW - 5/6/2003 12:17:51 AM]

BlueSimon

Hmmm,

Maybe my cars a 'lemon' but, i was behind a WRX 03 STD and followed him passed another car and i could only just creap up on him, no more (was about 40 - 90)

Simon (WRX 03 PPP)

PS. I've got the Prodrive wing, but you wouldnt think that had much more drag than std.

spanner75

yep it true my dealer told me bit of an own goal for subaru, sti performance for about 2k less .
i have got 0-60 in 4.8 secs out of the demo one i was lent , feels and drives very well have it done if you can afford it
gareth

( R6 CDW )

HMMM

Toonman1

"i have got 0-60 in 4.8 secs"

The same way the Mags do it? 2 up, half a tank of juice, and an average of the 2 times in each direction? Oh yes, and with £5Ks worth of Datron gear stuck on the side of the car...?

Boyakasha

iTrader: (2)

Lets keep it reel, 0-60 is fine if you are sitting on a drag strip but out on the road/track is where you will notice the difference. There is a lot more to getting a WRX to perform to the same level as a STi. If you uprated everything to the same standard using after market parts it would cost you a lot more than than the £25k of the STi.

Remember the PPP WRX STi is 0-60 in 4.6, that whole 0.2 of a second is huge

forest172

The stats also for the WRX PPP only beat the standard STI on two things 0-60 and the 1/4 mile. Lets face 0-60 and 1/4 mile is a clutch killer all the other times are in the real world.

0-100 the STI is quicker and every in gear time is still better in the STI. Look at the charts on Subaru`s web site.

Diablo

Every in gear time is quicker in the STI than the WRX PPP

Doubt that VERY much.......

Thought the STI was "gutless" below 4000 rpm.

D

forest172

look at the stats on subaru website all the in gear times of the standard STI are quicker than WRX PPP. Some figures by quite abit.

raggy

Don't forget 1 less gear change in the wrx ppp to 60mph being a 5 speed box to the STi's 6 speed.

MikeWood

Chris

In answer to your original question, yes the figures are realistic and accurate. I did them myself using Datron GPS measuring equipment and the figures quoted aren't even the best ones I recorded.

Ref comparisons with std STi, remember the STi has lower intermediate gear ratios.

Regards

Mike

chrisp

Surely the extra weight of the STI will have an affect as well ?

MikeWood

Weight is a small issue but more importantly the WRX PPP gets going about 1000rpm earlier.

To answer Chris's other questions, top speed will not be as high as 157mph although we didn't actually test what the difference is. In any case there is a limiter at 250kph!

Ref lead times, the parts are available from stock at Subaru so lead times will be minimal and probably dictated by when your dealer can fit you in.

Mike

Diablo

Urban, was referring to the previous posters comments that the WRXPPP was not faster in gear than the NON PPP STI - which I don't believe.

Unless he meant PPP STI, which would be different.

D

Steve777

iTrader: (8)

This thread is only relevant on a smooth drag strip. Full Stop

How many of you actually race on drag strips every day ?

I have just driven my Sti8 (Standard apart from exhaust) back 100 miles on a very familiar piece of road and the car was far superior to my previous Uk300 PPP in handling and drive ability turn in turn out etc.

I would have thought the 0-60 times are totally irrelevant given the nature of driving we actually carry out on the day to day basis.

I would have thought that WRX owners would benefit far more day to day by improving the handling and braking on their cars than the performance of the engine.

In hindesight when I had my previous car I wish I had spent the money there in the first place.

I have driven cars that have had suspension and braking mods only and they have been far more pleasurable to drive than the one I had with PPP.

You will gain tens of feet over a propoer distant this way rather than a few feet on 0-60 bursts (Few and far between)

In answer to the original question I would agree with M.W's reply.

( R6 CDW )

I take your point steve about brakes and sus mods doing more for day to day driving,BUT!!, It was only a question.

I did not post it to provoke this type of responce, I was looking for some figures not long winded dragstrip heatsoaked retorsions.

cheers chris

Steve777

iTrader: (8)

That wasn't how it was mean't. Merely an opinion with experience and that the whole package should be considered.

Appologies if I have offended you, but there are threads on Scoobynet that appear that don't consider all of the facts and I don't mean this one.

But yes I agree the WRX PPP is a quick car and as statistics go is faster than a standard Sti in 0-60.

It is nice to see a reply from an expert (MW), so the thread must be worth reading

Cheers

Steve

urban

iTrader: (1)

Diablo

Yeah, I did mean that a WRX PPP would probably be faster than a non PPP STI.

I still believe that with both cars in PPP form the wouldn't be too much difference in gears 1,2 & possibly 3, but I honestly believe that in the higher gears, the STI PPP would be a fair bit quicker.

The PPP on the STI DOES make a lot of difference, just ask anyone who has one fitted.

Mine is an STI7, and incase Mike pops back in again, Thanks a lot, and I haven't forgotten what I said I would do, just haven't managed to get around to doing it.

Shaun

MikeWood

Steve

How many times have we all heard that the chassis on the std car could now handle more power??

The Performance Package is the answer, but it doesn't mean that individuals may not want to look at improving the vehicles performance in other areas to suit their personal needs or tastes.

Regards

Mike

Steve777

iTrader: (8)

Mike,

Point taken. I intend to do both!

When will the spring kit be available for the Sti8 ?

Steve

MikeWood

03MY STi springs are due in about 8 (German!!!) weeks.

Mike

chrisp

Mike the engine output performance figures for the PPP are they done on a rolling road or an engine dyno, just curious ?

Blue

Whilst you're here Mike - when can we have some MY03 WRX springs?

MikeWood

The power and torque figures have been measured in several different ways to verify their accuracy, although we have not had each different specification on an engine dyno.

We are currently working on various suspension packages for the 03MY cars and hope to have some details available soon.

Regards

Mike

( R6 CDW )

Thanks all for taking the time to express there views on the matter.
As i said it was just a question, And it has been answerd in several differant ways.
I have taken on board what you have said "STEVE" and i do agree in genral on what you have said.

When i have recoverd from the £20,000 & £1600 hit(s), I think i may invest in some springs & and some extra stopping power.


Thanks for your input also "MIKE"
I forgot to mention a new uk300 spoiler which gets fitted on monday.

thanks again "ALL"

CHRIS

[Edited by ( R6 CDW ) - 5/7/2003 2:15:38 PM]

[Edited by ( R6 CDW ) - 5/7/2003 2:47:04 PM]

alanp

Based on information from the Subaru website.

Roughly speaking the difference in performance (on paper) between the STi PPP and STi std. is about the same as WRX PPP compared with WRX std. To get accurate figures you need to take account of the differences in torque, kerb weight, gear ratios, final drive ratios and tyre rolling circumference. Ideally the frictional and aerodynamic losses should also be accounted for. Because we are comparing similar cars these losses should hopefully not vary much.

The STi PPP gives from 10% to 20% more accelerative force per kg than the WRX PPP. The STi PPP scores particularly in lower gears 1st (16 to 32 MPH) and 2nd (38 to 50 MPH).

This does raise some questions as to the acceleration times particularly:

STi std. vs. STi PPP 3rd gear 40-60 MPH. Data sheet shows no improvement at 2.4s but this corresponds to about 3800 to 5700 RPM on the STi where the PPP is 10% to 15% better than the STi std. About 0.3s improvement would be reasonable here.

STi PPP vs. WRX PPP 2nd gear 30-50 MPH Data sheet shows STi PPP at 1.9s and WRX PPP at 2.0s , a 5% improvement. But the STi PPP shows from 10% to 35% more accelerative force per kg over this range.

Acceleration times or torque curves; which are right? Not sure whether the specs. are realistic but they don't quite seem to be consistent.

I have this information, including graphs, in an Excel file which I will gladly share here if someone can help me to get them on to the BBS.

Alan

MikeWood

Alan

Maybe one of the figures are wrong for that particular increment, looking at the numbers it's probable that there is a typo and the std STi 40-60 in 3rd should have been more like 2.6 seconds. The other numbers do bear out that the figures are similar in gear WRX PPP compared to std STi. One interesting thing to note is that the WRX is quicker in 4th than the STi is in 5th, even though the gearing is similar

Mike

alanp

Mike

Yes I agree with the 4th/5th gear comparison. That's mostly because many of the times start at low RPM (<2500 RPM)where the WRX PPP scores over all the other cars, even STi PPP. I have driven the WRX PPP and I would say that the performance is very accessible, even around town, much more like Imprezas used to be. But for ultimate thrust its got to be the STi PPP, even if it takes a bit more work thru the gears to get the best from it.

By the way I would be interested to know why the figures for the MY02 STi PPP and MY03 STi PPP are identical. There have been some minor changes (fuel consumption reduced for the MY03) so would perhaps expect some performance differences.

Alan

wrx bill

yes i totaly agree dropin them both off a cliff would prove the sti to be quicker then fit one ppp / predictable possing prat and of course his is longer thicker and slicker than yours. i just wish i could get my 0-60 down by 0.1 of second more than u. lol
just enjoy wat u got and make the most of it. classic, bug eye or the new 03 they are all scoobs and all fun to drive