Would you sell your scoob if..........?
21 January 2003, 01:35 PM
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... you had a MY99 with 86k and had replaced a gearbox in September 2002 
and it's now at dealers for zero compression in cylinder 3 (VISA crusher on the way) (presumed burnt valve/ring at best or holed piston or whatever) and that's after other 'smaller' repairs (MAF's, wheel bearings.............etc)
Yes it's out or warranty as dealer said it wasn't worth extending it as .... I quote "these things are bombproof" [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Yes it's been driven 'spiritedly' but seldom abused, no trackdays and always warmed up cooled down and with FSSH.
My point being.... that after a new gearbox and probable bit of hefty engine work (if not a complete replacement), would you be tempted to keep it and be hopeful that the worst has passed or bin it and cut your considerable losses?
Oh....and any tales of woe from peeps who have had even worse luck would sure make pleasant listening
and it's now at dealers for zero compression in cylinder 3 (VISA crusher on the way) (presumed burnt valve/ring at best or holed piston or whatever) and that's after other 'smaller' repairs (MAF's, wheel bearings.............etc)Yes it's out or warranty as dealer said it wasn't worth extending it as .... I quote "these things are bombproof" [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Yes it's been driven 'spiritedly' but seldom abused, no trackdays and always warmed up cooled down and with FSSH.
My point being.... that after a new gearbox and probable bit of hefty engine work (if not a complete replacement), would you be tempted to keep it and be hopeful that the worst has passed or bin it and cut your considerable losses?
Oh....and any tales of woe from peeps who have had even worse luck would sure make pleasant listening
21 January 2003, 01:44 PM
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Nope wouldnt sell it.. would mend it..
Could always get someone to mend with secondhand parts..
David
Could always get someone to mend with secondhand parts..
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21 January 2003, 01:52 PM
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Nightmare scenario .... man I feel for your bank balance 
Just a thought, what is the car worth in it's current state? Would the dealer who is having a look at it take it as a trade in on another Scoob he has?
If he would, then personally I'd rather spend 4K or so on getting another car than 4K putting the one you have back on the road. I suppose it's how you feel about the car.
I once had an XR2i (I know, I know ) .. it came with a stack of bills, low mileage, one owner etc .. in the space of 6 months it spent more time in one garage or another than on the road (immobilizer problems - car wouldn't start when hot, clutch problems on at least 3 occasions etc etc). I had all the problems fixed but couldn't wait to get rid of it. Sold it to a local dealer. By all accounts the next owner had no problems with it.
Should I have kept it .. errrrm, no .. I'd never have any confidence in the car.
IMO sell up, get a new scoob that you have no bad history with, you should get at least 1 yr warranty with it? So you would hope any major issues with your 'new' car would be fixed FOC.
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Just a thought, what is the car worth in it's current state? Would the dealer who is having a look at it take it as a trade in on another Scoob he has?
If he would, then personally I'd rather spend 4K or so on getting another car than 4K putting the one you have back on the road. I suppose it's how you feel about the car.
I once had an XR2i (I know, I know
) .. it came with a stack of bills, low mileage, one owner etc .. in the space of 6 months it spent more time in one garage or another than on the road (immobilizer problems - car wouldn't start when hot, clutch problems on at least 3 occasions etc etc). I had all the problems fixed but couldn't wait to get rid of it. Sold it to a local dealer. By all accounts the next owner had no problems with it.Should I have kept it .. errrrm, no .. I'd never have any confidence in the car.
IMO sell up, get a new scoob that you have no bad history with, you should get at least 1 yr warranty with it? So you would hope any major issues with your 'new' car would be fixed FOC.
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21 January 2003, 01:52 PM
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How did that happen SiPie? I thought you were one of the "Monitor everything to the nth degree crew"
I'd keep it and get it fixed...what's the worst that could happen
. If you got another, you'd only be worried about summat breaking on it again.
Mikey
I'd keep it and get it fixed...what's the worst that could happen
. If you got another, you'd only be worried about summat breaking on it again.Mikey
21 January 2003, 01:52 PM
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I know your knowledge is pretty vast on the world of all things scoob so can I ask another question if you don't mind....?
Not got facilities or knowledge to do big jobs myself and relatively dependant on local dealer... so in your experience what are the likely future things to go bang that may cost a fair bit?(apart from consumables)
I fully appreciate that this was never going to be the cheapest car to run if driven hard, but if it's going to carry on costing me thousands a year in repairs then need to think again... unless I pay for your plane fair and you come and fix it when it breaks
I know your knowledge is pretty vast on the world of all things scoob so can I ask another question if you don't mind....?
Not got facilities or knowledge to do big jobs myself and relatively dependant on local dealer... so in your experience what are the likely future things to go bang that may cost a fair bit?(apart from consumables)
I fully appreciate that this was never going to be the cheapest car to run if driven hard, but if it's going to carry on costing me thousands a year in repairs then need to think again... unless I pay for your plane fair and you come and fix it when it breaks
21 January 2003, 01:54 PM
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Tough one I guess, if only they came with 3 year warranty and crystal ball
I know the situation, bought my UK 95 with 80k miles but it had just HAD engine rebuild, clutch, Turbo hence the reason I bought it. However, now I think the clutch may be on it's way, who knows what the gearbox is like etc etc.
I've always been with the "Mend it, keep it" lobby but then it's not small money we're talking about.
Trouble is, if you sell it you'd take a hit on the price you get to account for repairs required and also, there can't be much else to go after this...can there??
Paul
I know the situation, bought my UK 95 with 80k miles but it had just HAD engine rebuild, clutch, Turbo hence the reason I bought it. However, now I think the clutch may be on it's way, who knows what the gearbox is like etc etc.
I've always been with the "Mend it, keep it" lobby but then it's not small money we're talking about.
Trouble is, if you sell it you'd take a hit on the price you get to account for repairs required and also, there can't be much else to go after this...can there??
Paul
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21 January 2003, 01:57 PM
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Had same catalogue of errors with my last car, a saab 900 turbo. Gearbox went the day after I bought it and it was downhill from there.
Keep it...if you a buy another one, whats to say that one wont have the same problems? Or trade in for a newer model with warranty.
and it was downhill from there.Keep it...if you a buy another one, whats to say that one wont have the same problems? Or trade in for a newer model with warranty.
21 January 2003, 02:00 PM
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Cheers m8, been thinking along those lines but dealer maybe not too happy to take as a trade in...
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I think the same mate, but hence my naive question above to David, cheers
Cheers m8, been thinking along those lines but dealer maybe not too happy to take as a trade in...
Kempo
there can't be much else to go after this...can there??
21 January 2003, 02:05 PM
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SiPie ... would have thought the dealer would be OK about it (unless they are generally arsey) .. I mean it's a Scoob, he's a Scoob dealer.
They can fix your car, sell it on and probably make some money on it .They will be selling you another car and making some money on it
Seems the general concensus is to keep it and you have new engine/gearbox .. (how many miles has your clutch done ?)
Me, I'd cut my losses, find a new 'good feeling' Scoob and keep my fingers crossed
Doofus.
They can fix your car, sell it on and probably make some money on it
.They will be selling you another car and making some money on it Seems the general concensus is to keep it and you have new engine/gearbox .. (how many miles has your clutch done
?)Me, I'd cut my losses, find a new 'good feeling' Scoob and keep my fingers crossed
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21 January 2003, 02:12 PM
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Cheers, the clutch was replaced in Sept along with the gearbox (labour saving, as was just about to go ) so only around 8k miles on it
I'm tempted by the warranty/newer scoob idea but feel gut-sick paying the dealer's mark up when he'll be offereing me crap money for mine
Cheers, the clutch was replaced in Sept along with the gearbox (labour saving, as was just about to go
) so only around 8k miles on it I'm tempted by the warranty/newer scoob idea but feel gut-sick paying the dealer's mark up when he'll be offereing me crap money for mine
21 January 2003, 02:19 PM
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Now now saxo How are you m8?
I do care by the way, but like SiPie said, I've got the wrong guy
I don't wish engine failiures (sp?) on anyone by the way If mine goes then that's my problem and my wallet.
Mikey
How are you m8?I do care by the way, but like SiPie said, I've got the wrong guy
I don't wish engine failiures (sp?) on anyone by the way
If mine goes then that's my problem and my wallet.Mikey
21 January 2003, 02:22 PM
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My scoobylife is great, my work life sucks and my personal life is scaring me, its that fcuked up
I still maintain you should have had a boost gauge sipie, just as the first indiation that it might be over/under boosting. Also cause they look
I still maintain you should have had a boost gauge sipie, just as the first indiation that it might be over/under boosting. Also cause they look
21 January 2003, 02:29 PM
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But Kenny
Hindsight's a great thing mate but felt something wasn't right a few weeks ago and it didn't take a boost gauge to tell me that it was the flat spot at 4k that indicated it. If I hadn't been so lazy and taken it to the dealers there and then and hadn't wasted time thinking that it was just plugs [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img], then this tale may have had a different outcome
Maybe on the next one m8
Must go as have to work, to keep job, to earn money, to pay garage bills, to keep scoob
Hindsight's a great thing mate but felt something wasn't right a few weeks ago and it didn't take a boost gauge to tell me that
it was the flat spot at 4k that indicated it. If I hadn't been so lazy and taken it to the dealers there and then and hadn't wasted time thinking that it was just plugs [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img], then this tale may have had a different outcome Maybe on the next one m8
Must go as have to work, to keep job, to earn money, to pay garage bills, to keep scoob
21 January 2003, 02:32 PM
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SiPie,
What's going to make you feel sicker, the extortionate amount of money he going to charge for a rebuild .. or the extortionate amount of money he's going to want for a trade in?
Suppose you just have to weigh the figures up and do the sums. When were you going to change your car? Do you have 'bits' to sell/move over if you wanted to change?
If I had your luck, and with a wife and wee one I'd be out of the Scoob family .. hello Corsa diesel or something like that
Here's hoping you get a reliable Scoob one way or another
Doofus.
What's going to make you feel sicker, the extortionate amount of money he going to charge for a rebuild .. or the extortionate amount of money he's going to want for a trade in?
Suppose you just have to weigh the figures up and do the sums. When were you going to change your car? Do you have 'bits' to sell/move over if you wanted to change?
If I had your luck, and with a wife and wee one I'd be out of the Scoob family .. hello Corsa diesel or something like that
Here's hoping you get a reliable Scoob one way or another
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21 January 2003, 02:43 PM
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It's a difficult question.
On the one hand, having stumped up all the money you're tempted to keep it rather than have anyone else benefit from the money you've spent. And you know that the engine and gearbox are OK -- who knows what state they'd be in if you got another car.
On the other hand, you might want to cut your losses and get perhaps a cheaper Scoob so you're not out of pocket.
Personally, if it happened to me I'd sell the Scoob afterwards and get something non-Scoob, but I've owned mine for over three years. The most I've spent in one go (so far) is about £1700 for 4 new tyres, new discs and pads front and rear, oil change service and a new clutch. I was very tempted to sell up after that, but now it's just water under the bridge. I realized that if I bought another car, in a couple of months it could end up needing new tyres, new brakes, new clutch, etc.
But engine and gearbox is a bit more money. Have you considered getting a recon engine fitted, rather than the existing one rebuilt? OTOH IIRC Roger Clark Motorsport are pretty competitive for engine rebuilds.
On the one hand, having stumped up all the money you're tempted to keep it rather than have anyone else benefit from the money you've spent. And you know that the engine and gearbox are OK -- who knows what state they'd be in if you got another car.
On the other hand, you might want to cut your losses and get perhaps a cheaper Scoob so you're not out of pocket.
Personally, if it happened to me I'd sell the Scoob afterwards and get something non-Scoob, but I've owned mine for over three years. The most I've spent in one go (so far) is about £1700 for 4 new tyres, new discs and pads front and rear, oil change service and a new clutch. I was very tempted to sell up after that, but now it's just water under the bridge. I realized that if I bought another car, in a couple of months it could end up needing new tyres, new brakes, new clutch, etc.
But engine and gearbox is a bit more money. Have you considered getting a recon engine fitted, rather than the existing one rebuilt? OTOH IIRC Roger Clark Motorsport are pretty competitive for engine rebuilds.
21 January 2003, 02:45 PM
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Cheers Doofus.... Diesel Corsa ain't happeneing - just yet
In all reality I could with something with far fewer miles, so may get grovelling to the dealer... as long as he doesn't try and give me one of those 'bug-eye' things......
In all reality I could with something with far fewer miles, so may get grovelling to the dealer... as long as he doesn't try and give me one of those 'bug-eye' things......
21 January 2003, 02:52 PM
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Have you had it from new? If not, you don't know how it was treated before you got it.
I'm starting to get a bit worried now (MY00, 83k, but I've done all the miles and always warmed up, cooled down properly, etc.)
I'm starting to get a bit worried now (MY00, 83k, but I've done all the miles and always warmed up, cooled down properly, etc.)
21 January 2003, 02:57 PM
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Carl..
Debating all options at the moment mate... but will wait until final word comes back from dealer on Thurs when they have had a chance o open it up and do more than a compression test.
Took that option with the gearbox when they said they would re-build the old one at great cost so sourced one from a rolled WRX with 9k on the clock, and that turned out to cost @ £1700 fitted (including new clutch) So will prob go down similar route with engine - hopefully Rally Col can provide if needed
Edited to say that I bought it with 62k on the clock (ex fleet car - all motorway miles) and I totally grilled the guy who owned it previously and it had a full AA inspection
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[Edited by SiPie - 1/21/2003 2:58:36 PM]
Debating all options at the moment mate... but will wait until final word comes back from dealer on Thurs when they have had a chance o open it up and do more than a compression test.
Took that option with the gearbox when they said they would re-build the old one at great cost so sourced one from a rolled WRX with 9k on the clock, and that turned out to cost @ £1700 fitted (including new clutch)
So will prob go down similar route with engine - hopefully Rally Col can provide if needed Edited to say that I bought it with 62k on the clock (ex fleet car - all motorway miles) and I totally grilled the guy who owned it previously and it had a full AA inspection
Cheers
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[Edited by SiPie - 1/21/2003 2:58:36 PM]
21 January 2003, 03:14 PM
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Maybe another thing to factor in to your sums .... what's would be the trade in value of your car when repaired ? The same as it would be without a recon engine ?
If you were thinking about trading it in for a lower mileage car would it be best in the long run to do it now ? Rather than take the hit for fixing it and then the hit trading it in in a few months?
I'm just an average joe and would be wary of buying a car with a new gearbox, clutch, engine .. I know not much else can go wrong and I'm not saying you don't treat your car well but if you put yourself in the average mindset you're going to be thinking what the hell has the driver done to the car to have all that done
Can you convince the next possible owner/dealer that you've just been a bit unlucky?
... and heaven help you if you end up with one of those slow bug-eyed things .. Corsa diesel on boost will see off one of those
Doofus.
If you were thinking about trading it in for a lower mileage car would it be best in the long run to do it now ? Rather than take the hit for fixing it and then the hit trading it in in a few months?
I'm just an average joe and would be wary of buying a car with a new gearbox, clutch, engine .. I know not much else can go wrong and I'm not saying you don't treat your car well but if you put yourself in the average mindset you're going to be thinking what the hell has the driver done to the car to have all that done
Can you convince the next possible owner/dealer that you've just been a bit unlucky?
... and heaven help you if you end up with one of those slow bug-eyed things .. Corsa diesel on boost will see off one of those
Doofus.
21 January 2003, 04:45 PM
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If you do get your engine rebuilt then the mileage on your car becomes less relevant if you decide to keep it. It'll have a good condition engine, nice new gearbox and clutch and the bodywork is fine. Provided its treated correctly and assuming the diffs don't pack in there isn't many big things left to go wrong. Piece of mind driving if you ask me
21 January 2003, 05:13 PM
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Agreed Kenny
But................. hence my question to David
I agree with your thinking mate but I need to be relatively free of massive bills for the next year at least, as I would be cheaper taking up crack cocaine, alcholism, heroin and ferrari ownership... than running this thing at the currrent rate
But................. hence my question to David
so in your experience what are the likely future things to go bang that may cost a fair bit?(apart from consumables)
as I would be cheaper taking up crack cocaine, alcholism, heroin and ferrari ownership... than running this thing at the currrent rate
22 January 2003, 12:12 PM
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Personally, I would pursue the trade-in route with the Dealer.
How much does anyone reckon a new engine would cost to a Dealer?
They would have a much better chance of selling the car with a new engine than you would with a re-con. Afterall a new engine should be more appealing to someone than one with 80K on it.
I would be worried about something else going on the car after it was repaired as well as trying to sell it later down the road.
Even if it cost me a couple of grand in the long run, I would be much happier with another car (with a warranty).
Stefan
How much does anyone reckon a new engine would cost to a Dealer?
They would have a much better chance of selling the car with a new engine than you would with a re-con. Afterall a new engine should be more appealing to someone than one with 80K on it.
I would be worried about something else going on the car after it was repaired as well as trying to sell it later down the road.
Even if it cost me a couple of grand in the long run, I would be much happier with another car (with a warranty).
Stefan
22 January 2003, 12:28 PM
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oops that will teach me to reply and not look in the thread again..
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It all depends on how you drive the car in my opinion..
If you rebuild the engine, with second hand pistons, a gasket set etc and a general clean up, (replace seals etc)
then you could kill anotherbox, turbo could go...
exhaust could drop off.. rocker cover gaskets, head gaskets..
Depends on the boost etc..
I would worry more about the clutch or the gearbox going, everything else can be done easily enough..
Get a knocklink and oil temp and oil pressure gauges?
Its a 1 million dollar question.. anything could fail.. cv joints.. wheel bearings...
They all require effort to fix, and if your not doing it yourself then it gets expensive.
HTH
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It all depends on how you drive the car in my opinion..
If you rebuild the engine, with second hand pistons, a gasket set etc and a general clean up, (replace seals etc)
then you could kill anotherbox, turbo could go...
exhaust could drop off.. rocker cover gaskets, head gaskets..
Depends on the boost etc..
I would worry more about the clutch or the gearbox going, everything else can be done easily enough..
Get a knocklink and oil temp and oil pressure gauges?
Its a 1 million dollar question.. anything could fail.. cv joints.. wheel bearings...
They all require effort to fix, and if your not doing it yourself then it gets expensive.
HTH
David
22 January 2003, 12:39 PM
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David... thanks for your advice
The gearbox and clutch were replaced in August so hopefully no worries there but as you say it could be turbo next week followed by whatever else
Stefan
Caught in two minds mate, if damage relatively small then patch up and go, but if whole new engine needed then I'll plea to the dealers better nature on Thursday re trade in and a zero % finance deal and warranty until 2042 on a new STI8 with my old classic bonnet scoop stuck on!!!!!
The gearbox and clutch were replaced in August so hopefully no worries there
but as you say it could be turbo next week followed by whatever else Stefan
Caught in two minds mate, if damage relatively small then patch up and go, but if whole new engine needed then I'll plea to the dealers better nature on Thursday re trade in and a zero % finance deal and warranty until 2042 on a new STI8 with my old classic bonnet scoop stuck on!!!!!