my03 STI VS EVO7 FQ300
14 November 2002, 02:56 AM
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i know its prob been done before buts just a question to see which you guys pefer,
of cause it be the scooby but aint the evo a great car too??
in overall package if you had £30000 right now which would you go for??
of cause it be the scooby but aint the evo a great car too??
in overall package if you had £30000 right now which would you go for??
14 November 2002, 03:56 AM
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Uh well, considering we have much less info on the MY03 Than we do of the Evo 7, and the fact that MY03s arent even able to be purchased yet
It is kind of hard to tell. But judging from the one review that i have read (apexjapan) it seems like the MY03 has been completely and utterly ironed out. I would most definetly buy the Impreza, but of course that is just my extremely biased opinion
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It is kind of hard to tell. But judging from the one review that i have read (apexjapan) it seems like the MY03 has been completely and utterly ironed out. I would most definetly buy the Impreza, but of course that is just my extremely biased opinion.TheScooby
14 November 2002, 04:19 AM
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Well to be honest mate, and this is coming from a true subaru nut, i would prefer the evo. I'll tell ya after the test run ive got in a FQ300 tomorrow, hopefully. I think subaru would really have to pull something out of the bag to beat this evo.
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14 November 2002, 09:58 AM
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Would you care to elaberate as to why it was a nasty experience? Was it the exhaust note which some complain of or the ride? Or were you just scared of a fast car
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Would you care to elaberate as to why it was a nasty experience? Was it the exhaust note which some complain of or the ride? Or were you just scared of a fast car
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14 November 2002, 01:46 PM
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I test drove a FQ300 a couple of months ago.
Wasnt a long test drive but was quite impressed.
I will definately consider it when I purchase in a year or so.
One guy on here (steve the vet) I think, bought one from new and had a terrible experience. He ended up getting all his money back and bought a STI7. Part of it sounded like poor dealer service as well.
Jas
Wasnt a long test drive but was quite impressed.
I will definately consider it when I purchase in a year or so.
One guy on here (steve the vet) I think, bought one from new and had a terrible experience. He ended up getting all his money back and bought a STI7. Part of it sounded like poor dealer service as well.
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14 November 2002, 02:15 PM
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ice man,
I think you should keep your expensive sexual perversions to yourself
Personally, with £40k I suspect you'd buy a Noble
On the original question, who can say without having driven both? The MY03 isn't out yet so nobody can offer an answer based on fact, just emotion and personal guesswork/prejudice.
Also, I didn't think that they were directly comparable on price? The FQ300 being £30k (?) and the STi somewhere between £25-27k....
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[Edited by mutant_matt - 11/14/2002 2:16:57 PM]
I think you should keep your expensive sexual perversions to yourself
Personally, with £40k I suspect you'd buy a Noble
On the original question, who can say without having driven both? The MY03 isn't out yet so nobody can offer an answer based on fact, just emotion and personal guesswork/prejudice.
Also, I didn't think that they were directly comparable on price? The FQ300 being £30k (?) and the STi somewhere between £25-27k....
Matt
[Edited by mutant_matt - 11/14/2002 2:16:57 PM]
14 November 2002, 04:21 PM
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the sti will be about 27k for 261 bhp
the evo 7 fq300 30k for 300bhp,
it kinda works out the same price range,
nobles are nice but wots with the ford mondeo rear lights??
why is subaru trying ti make there car mean with the big parcel bonnet scoop??new front?? isnt it more towards to driving experince instead and not those big up scoops and stuff??
the evo 7 fq300 30k for 300bhp,
it kinda works out the same price range,
nobles are nice but wots with the ford mondeo rear lights??
why is subaru trying ti make there car mean with the big parcel bonnet scoop??new front?? isnt it more towards to driving experince instead and not those big up scoops and stuff??
14 November 2002, 04:28 PM
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ermm... why buy an FQ300 ????? You all mad ?
my 7 cost me 25k and for FQ300 money I can have for example the Xtreme 2.3 strokerr kit, 350bhp and 400ft/lb, and some change left over for a set of front AP's.
I wouldn't even call the FQ300 "mildly" tuned. And I know that owners are changing the PE exhaust that comes with them cos its very loud but all in the wrong places ... i.e. very boomy.
as someone said on eth lancer board, 7k is a lot of dosh for a backbox and a strip of carbon fibre
my 7 cost me 25k and for FQ300 money I can have for example the Xtreme 2.3 strokerr kit, 350bhp and 400ft/lb, and some change left over for a set of front AP's.
I wouldn't even call the FQ300 "mildly" tuned. And I know that owners are changing the PE exhaust that comes with them cos its very loud but all in the wrong places ... i.e. very boomy.
as someone said on eth lancer board, 7k is a lot of dosh for a backbox and a strip of carbon fibre
14 November 2002, 04:36 PM
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shout out to you jackal hoe you mate, i agree with you completely, your black evo7 is soo sexy man, especially when you first got and post those extremly shiny pics of your car,
just using a fq300 as an example though,sumthink you can buy straight from showroom, like a my03sti without ppp option,
and scooby boys, i said 30k not add 10k for a noble, 30k guys,
just using a fq300 as an example though,sumthink you can buy straight from showroom, like a my03sti without ppp option,
and scooby boys, i said 30k not add 10k for a noble, 30k guys,
14 November 2002, 08:27 PM
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Why not buy something really quick and save 14K. Spotted this 4WD on pistonheads for sale :
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http://www.pistonheads.com/ads/displ...?advertId=6463
14 November 2002, 09:10 PM
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To be honest I am not overly keen on either. The STI would have it as for 30K you could get one with a PPP so power wise it would be very little in it. Living with an STI would be much easier day to day on UK roads. The EVO are setup a lot firmer so it can be a bumpier ride. Best way is to drive them both, its your money .
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14 November 2002, 09:33 PM
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My bad experience had little to do with the merits of the actual car and more to do with Mitsubishi UK.
The (brand new) car was delivered with numerous faults, annoying enough, but the way in which Mitsubishi responded to this was pretty bad. Very little interest in trying to sort the problems from either the dealer or Mitsubishi UK.
After weeks and weeks with no joy the final straw was a conversation I had with a guy in the technical department at Mitsubishi UK. When I complained to him about the fact that I had owned a NEW car for about 2 months and it had spent more time in being fixed than being driven by me he said "what you have to understand is that these cars are new to us as well as you". Doesn't give you huge amounts of faith!
I still believe the FQ is a fantastic car and it still pains me that I had to return mine, but I would be very wary about purchasing from Mits UK again. I am sure there are some really good Mitsubishi dealers out there (not the one I dealt with), but Head Office was very disinterested in my problems also.
If I were to buy an Evo again I think I would save money up front and get the cheapest import I could. The UK warranty did not help me at all.
By the way, my FQ300 cost £31 495.
Steve.
The (brand new) car was delivered with numerous faults, annoying enough, but the way in which Mitsubishi responded to this was pretty bad. Very little interest in trying to sort the problems from either the dealer or Mitsubishi UK.
After weeks and weeks with no joy the final straw was a conversation I had with a guy in the technical department at Mitsubishi UK. When I complained to him about the fact that I had owned a NEW car for about 2 months and it had spent more time in being fixed than being driven by me he said "what you have to understand is that these cars are new to us as well as you". Doesn't give you huge amounts of faith!
I still believe the FQ is a fantastic car and it still pains me that I had to return mine, but I would be very wary about purchasing from Mits UK again. I am sure there are some really good Mitsubishi dealers out there (not the one I dealt with), but Head Office was very disinterested in my problems also.
If I were to buy an Evo again I think I would save money up front and get the cheapest import I could. The UK warranty did not help me at all.
By the way, my FQ300 cost £31 495.
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14 November 2002, 10:03 PM
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"If I were to buy an Evo again I think I would save money up front and get the cheapest import I could. "
yes in my view thats the way to buy an evo.. dont rely on any dealer stuff. just get teh cheapest import you can find and dont bother with any warranty... soon as you decat it its worth zilch
only other way is to get an extreme from ralliart as it has warranty and is already uprated
yes in my view thats the way to buy an evo.. dont rely on any dealer stuff. just get teh cheapest import you can find and dont bother with any warranty... soon as you decat it its worth zilch
only other way is to get an extreme from ralliart as it has warranty and is already uprated
15 November 2002, 02:47 AM
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you scooby guys mite not like it but the evo7 is a really smart looking car with sharp styling rather than round edges,
too be honest im starting to like the bugged eye scooby but now they changed it i have to get used to it again,
imo these cars are worth the money paid and are practical and fun cars,if i were to buy any i would go jackals route and buy imported, i brought my tommi mak from a evo specialist and not mitsi uk and got exceptional service, try them if you want,
they deal with scoobys too, they are experts,
roger clark motorsport tel 01455 828610
too be honest im starting to like the bugged eye scooby but now they changed it i have to get used to it again,
imo these cars are worth the money paid and are practical and fun cars,if i were to buy any i would go jackals route and buy imported, i brought my tommi mak from a evo specialist and not mitsi uk and got exceptional service, try them if you want,
they deal with scoobys too, they are experts,
roger clark motorsport tel 01455 828610
15 November 2002, 07:27 AM
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I agree,
know nothing about the sti8 yet. Wouldnt have one though. The reviews people have seen are basedon the jap car with the twin scroll turbo, and most of the rave comments are based on the improvement in drivability that creates.
The UK market wont get that, so all those positive comments will be irrelevant.
Twin scroll has possibly (according to some I have spoken to) been brought out the allow the group n cars to stand a chance against the evo 7s. The twin scroll uturbo will be seriously out of puff at the top end though, and so ultimately the impreza is compromised whereas the evo gains its low down advantage yet still uses a whopping TD05. How? 8.8:1 compression instead of 8:1, something that remains unchanged on the subaru! so dont expect miracles, they arent coming.
I also dont see what the big hoo ha is with the fq300. Like others would say I wouldnt pay that kind of premium for a car modified by a tuning company in this country as I dont trust many people in this company to know what they are doing.
How many evo 6 engines were blowing up when they were supposedly modified by ralliart to be able to run on 95ron? the answer is lots.
I would rather start with a base model (evo 7 but prefer looks of 6) bought via much cheaper imported routes as warranty would be nothing after modding, and choose better researched mods myself.
It also helps breed individuality in the ranks, and is much much cheaper for much bigger returns.
btw. I wouldnt do it via a stroker kits, would rather have the bits made myself as I am now aware how they produce these things on bulk and am not keen on it.
know nothing about the sti8 yet. Wouldnt have one though. The reviews people have seen are basedon the jap car with the twin scroll turbo, and most of the rave comments are based on the improvement in drivability that creates.
The UK market wont get that, so all those positive comments will be irrelevant.
Twin scroll has possibly (according to some I have spoken to) been brought out the allow the group n cars to stand a chance against the evo 7s. The twin scroll uturbo will be seriously out of puff at the top end though, and so ultimately the impreza is compromised whereas the evo gains its low down advantage yet still uses a whopping TD05. How? 8.8:1 compression instead of 8:1, something that remains unchanged on the subaru! so dont expect miracles, they arent coming.
I also dont see what the big hoo ha is with the fq300. Like others would say I wouldnt pay that kind of premium for a car modified by a tuning company in this country as I dont trust many people in this company to know what they are doing.
How many evo 6 engines were blowing up when they were supposedly modified by ralliart to be able to run on 95ron? the answer is lots.
I would rather start with a base model (evo 7 but prefer looks of 6) bought via much cheaper imported routes as warranty would be nothing after modding, and choose better researched mods myself.
It also helps breed individuality in the ranks, and is much much cheaper for much bigger returns.
btw. I wouldnt do it via a stroker kits, would rather have the bits made myself as I am now aware how they produce these things on bulk and am not keen on it.
15 November 2002, 10:19 AM
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"and most of the rave comments are based on the improvement in drivability that creates."
Hmmm... the magazine that i read said that the main improvement was that teh chassis and ride had ben tightened up a bit and as a result the car was a bit more taut and responsive like the evo. This almost "lazy" mainstream feel of the sti was always one of my biggest criticisms so maybe teh sti8 is teh best yet. Would have to remove that understeer though.
Hmmm... the magazine that i read said that the main improvement was that teh chassis and ride had ben tightened up a bit and as a result the car was a bit more taut and responsive like the evo. This almost "lazy" mainstream feel of the sti was always one of my biggest criticisms so maybe teh sti8 is teh best yet. Would have to remove that understeer though.
15 November 2002, 11:33 AM
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Sideways - I didn't drive it enough to become annoyed at the exhaust tone. I didn't like it for the following reasons...
I found the dash to be worse than anything Subaru ever produced.
The steering wheel blocked the dials.
The handbrake got in the way of the gear stick.
I found the shift to be too long, although it could be shortened this would be really awkward due to the handbrake.
I found the seats completely uncomfortable.
With the seat in the correct position for me I found using the peddles a nightmare. My calves were burning by the end of the experiance, my feet were at an uncomfortable angle.
It was bland, inside and out.
It was nothing to do with the power (which was fun) or the ride (which was a bit too harsh for me but then my car is 20 months old and has done 45,000), it was just the fact I could live with the seating posisition, the interior, the pedals and the seats!
The whole thing seemed nasty which was a real pity.
I know most of us through the OEM headunit out but this doesn't even come with one (again I know the P1 didn't) so you would need to install that straight away. Oh it was also a single DIN unit which seemed a bit restrictive.
I also missed the burble!
I found the dash to be worse than anything Subaru ever produced.
The steering wheel blocked the dials.
The handbrake got in the way of the gear stick.
I found the shift to be too long, although it could be shortened this would be really awkward due to the handbrake.
I found the seats completely uncomfortable.
With the seat in the correct position for me I found using the peddles a nightmare. My calves were burning by the end of the experiance, my feet were at an uncomfortable angle.
It was bland, inside and out.
It was nothing to do with the power (which was fun) or the ride (which was a bit too harsh for me but then my car is 20 months old and has done 45,000), it was just the fact I could live with the seating posisition, the interior, the pedals and the seats!
The whole thing seemed nasty which was a real pity.
I know most of us through the OEM headunit out but this doesn't even come with one (again I know the P1 didn't) so you would need to install that straight away. Oh it was also a single DIN unit which seemed a bit restrictive.
I also missed the burble!
