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30 August 2001, 10:16 PM
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Im about to buy my first ever scooby. 
But theres a few things i need explained since i dunno anyone who owns one.
I have £8-9000 to spend on an impreza turbo and thru autotrader ads it seems my cash can get me:
1) 93 WRX Model
2) 96 Non WRX model
I need to know ALL the differences. Styling, interior and performance. Also, why is there so many japanese imports around? Whats the pros and cons of buying one of these?
Cheers millions, any help would be greatly appreicated.
But theres a few things i need explained since i dunno anyone who owns one. I have £8-9000 to spend on an impreza turbo and thru autotrader ads it seems my cash can get me:
1) 93 WRX Model
2) 96 Non WRX model
I need to know ALL the differences. Styling, interior and performance. Also, why is there so many japanese imports around? Whats the pros and cons of buying one of these?
Cheers millions, any help would be greatly appreicated.
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turbo,i'm selling my MY 97,its a metallic green 4 door uk turbo,its got the 16" MY 98 wheels has a/c and a dealer fitted 6cd autochanger,full subaru service with 70k miles.
anyway its in your pricerange so let me know if you're interested
anyway its in your pricerange so let me know if you're interested
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turbo,
first make your mind up wether you want a Jap WRX or a UK turbo.
Then if you want a WRX look at getting one imported yourself. You can make sure it's not a stolen, check the history etc. price will proabably be less than cars already here and the mileage lower, but it will need some security adding.
Mail me offline for details.
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first make your mind up wether you want a Jap WRX or a UK turbo.
Then if you want a WRX look at getting one imported yourself. You can make sure it's not a stolen, check the history etc. price will proabably be less than cars already here and the mileage lower, but it will need some security adding.
Mail me offline for details.
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31 August 2001, 01:31 AM
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Turbo welcome on board an may u r stay be a good un 
The simple answer 2 u r Q "why is there so many japanese imports around" is simple
1/ u get more bang 4 u r buck, as Millband kinda said.
2/ as always the car was out in Japan well b4 it hit the uk market. So 2 begin with there was no other choice if u wanted 1
BTW don`t be put off of imports coz some1 says u can`t get this or that part, thats a loada mince. The service schedules the same as well (no specialist knowledge required, well nothing specific to jap motas) if some1 can work on a uk they can do it on a Jap job.
They are no different other than the gearbox ratios which makes them faster as standard
Ave phun
Pete
The simple answer 2 u r Q "why is there so many japanese imports around" is simple
1/ u get more bang 4 u r buck, as Millband kinda said.
2/ as always the car was out in Japan well b4 it hit the uk market. So 2 begin with there was no other choice if u wanted 1
BTW don`t be put off of imports coz some1 says u can`t get this or that part, thats a loada mince. The service schedules the same as well (no specialist knowledge required, well nothing specific to jap motas) if some1 can work on a uk they can do it on a Jap job.
They are no different other than the gearbox ratios which makes them faster as standard
Ave phun
Pete
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The only probs with imports (IMO) is the insurance, you pay around a 1/3 more than a UK. Other than that there's nothing in it, in hindsight with the cost of insuring one of these motors we would have plummed for a UK, but whats done, is done. They're fantastic cars to drive and I don't think we'll ever get rid, well except for another scoob that is!
Good luck, and hope you find the right car for you. Where in the NW are you based, as Northern Meet 6 is on at the end of sept and it's a great place to meet fellow scoob owners as well as other 4 wheel exotica, just go to Northern on this board and get ya name down!!
Be good...CRAFT
Good luck, and hope you find the right car for you. Where in the NW are you based, as Northern Meet 6 is on at the end of sept and it's a great place to meet fellow scoob owners as well as other 4 wheel exotica, just go to Northern on this board and get ya name down!!
Be good...CRAFT
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31 August 2001, 06:16 PM
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Hiya im in cumbria.
Dont know if i should mention this but...errrr...im a....defect....from.....errr...the land of...err...ford. That doesnt go down to well in some circles.
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Dont know if i should mention this but...errrr...im a....defect....from.....errr...the land of...err...ford. That doesnt go down to well in some circles.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DARREN:
<B>Technopete,its not just the gear ratios that make the imports faster
Its another 52 BHP as standard which helps
Darren[/quote]
For a MY00
dont forget the 20% extra torque
And 276bhp - 215bhp = 61 bhp
But a lot depends on the years you are comparing and whether its a wagon or not [].
All the engine outputs and years are in the FAQ link above.
In your example a 93 WRX saloon had 240 PS about 236bhp and a 96 UK had 208 bhp. Just depends what you require.
[This message has been edited by chrisp (edited 31 August 2001).]
<B>Technopete,its not just the gear ratios that make the imports faster
Its another 52 BHP as standard which helps
Darren[/quote]
For a MY00
dont forget the 20% extra torque
And 276bhp - 215bhp = 61 bhp
But a lot depends on the years you are comparing and whether its a wagon or not [
].All the engine outputs and years are in the FAQ link above.
In your example a 93 WRX saloon had 240 PS about 236bhp and a 96 UK had 208 bhp. Just depends what you require.
[This message has been edited by chrisp (edited 31 August 2001).]
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Hiya Turbo
time to put the myths to bed!!
93wrx-94 have 240bhp, 95-97 have 260bhp and 98-00wrx have 276bhp.
Dont take these figures as accurate as this is when calculated on 100ron fuel, ours being 97ron (except shell optimax which is 98.6) will mean a loss of performance (but not that you would notice).
The main difference is delivery in power...
A UK car wont give you that kick up the **** feel where as the wrx will but there wont be much in it, on twisty roads both the wrx and a uk car will be unseperable, its only on the open straights where the wrx will pull one or two lenghts ahead.
Saying that, ive a uk MY00 with the performance pack fitted... ive left wrx's in the mid range as the performance pack gives 250bhp and 250lbs of torque (check out the figures in the dyno readings).
There are some mechanical differences in the wrx that are not in the uk car, the diff is different to start with but not that you would notice, the suspension arms are alloy (cost a packet if you knacker them, about 1k) gearboxes are different along with the turbos but the engines are the same!! (except the STi's).
The down side to jap imports are as follows
Turbo lag from hell in comparison with uk cars.
no dealer network
parts are harder to get hold of
insurance is more costly
There aint alot in it performance wise
you can only use super unleaded fuel
The up sides are....
There are enough speciallists for you to take your car to for servicing etc.
They give you that big push in the seat feel when the turbo kicks in
They are of a higher spec than the uk car.
There aint alot in it personally, it depends if you want the "hard core" or just impreza ownership as i put it, for me there is no hardcore except the 22B but then again we all want one of those
Tony
PS ill be at NM6, show those wrx's that theres nowt wrong with uk cars 
time to put the myths to bed!!
93wrx-94 have 240bhp, 95-97 have 260bhp and 98-00wrx have 276bhp.
Dont take these figures as accurate as this is when calculated on 100ron fuel, ours being 97ron (except shell optimax which is 98.6) will mean a loss of performance (but not that you would notice).
The main difference is delivery in power...
A UK car wont give you that kick up the **** feel where as the wrx will but there wont be much in it, on twisty roads both the wrx and a uk car will be unseperable, its only on the open straights where the wrx will pull one or two lenghts ahead.
Saying that, ive a uk MY00 with the performance pack fitted... ive left wrx's in the mid range as the performance pack gives 250bhp and 250lbs of torque (check out the figures in the dyno readings).
There are some mechanical differences in the wrx that are not in the uk car, the diff is different to start with but not that you would notice, the suspension arms are alloy (cost a packet if you knacker them, about 1k) gearboxes are different along with the turbos but the engines are the same!! (except the STi's).
The down side to jap imports are as follows
Turbo lag from hell in comparison with uk cars.
no dealer network
parts are harder to get hold of
insurance is more costly
There aint alot in it performance wise
you can only use super unleaded fuel
The up sides are....
There are enough speciallists for you to take your car to for servicing etc.
They give you that big push in the seat feel when the turbo kicks in
They are of a higher spec than the uk car.
There aint alot in it personally, it depends if you want the "hard core" or just impreza ownership as i put it, for me there is no hardcore except the 22B
but then again we all want one of those Tony
PS ill be at NM6, show those wrx's that theres nowt wrong with uk cars
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MattN:
<B>never mind the extra power and torque.....
it's the different coloured badges that make them faster!!!![/quote]
Definitely, general rule : If its pink it goes like stink
<B>never mind the extra power and torque.....
it's the different coloured badges that make them faster!!!!
[/quote]Definitely, general rule : If its pink it goes like stink
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by TonyBurns:
<B>Hiya Turbo
time to put the myths to bed!!
93wrx-94 have 240bhp, 95-97 have 260bhp and 98-00wrx have 276bhp.
Dont take these figures as accurate as this is when calculated on 100ron fuel, ours being 97ron (except shell optimax which is 98.6) will mean a loss of performance (but not that you would notice).
The main difference is delivery in power...
A UK car wont give you that kick up the **** feel where as the wrx will but there wont be much in it, on twisty roads both the wrx and a uk car will be unseperable, its only on the open straights where the wrx will pull one or two lenghts ahead.
Saying that, ive a uk MY00 with the performance pack fitted... ive left wrx's in the mid range as the performance pack gives 250bhp and 250lbs of torque (check out the figures in the dyno readings).
There are some mechanical differences in the wrx that are not in the uk car, the diff is different to start with but not that you would notice, the suspension arms are alloy (cost a packet if you knacker them, about 1k) gearboxes are different along with the turbos but the engines are the same!! (except the STi's).
The down side to jap imports are as follows
Turbo lag from hell in comparison with uk cars.
no dealer network
parts are harder to get hold of
insurance is more costly
There aint alot in it performance wise
you can only use super unleaded fuel
The up sides are....
There are enough speciallists for you to take your car to for servicing etc.
They give you that big push in the seat feel when the turbo kicks in
They are of a higher spec than the uk car.
There aint alot in it personally, it depends if you want the "hard core" or just impreza ownership as i put it, for me there is no hardcore except the 22B but then again we all want one of those
Tony
PS ill be at NM6, show those wrx's that theres nowt wrong with uk cars
[/quote]
All I can say is that I had a UK 1998 turbo (in racing red) and performance wise my MY00 RA destroys it.
Having said that the UK was more suited to UK roads and didnt take the concentration the WRX does .
<B>Hiya Turbo
time to put the myths to bed!!
93wrx-94 have 240bhp, 95-97 have 260bhp and 98-00wrx have 276bhp.
Dont take these figures as accurate as this is when calculated on 100ron fuel, ours being 97ron (except shell optimax which is 98.6) will mean a loss of performance (but not that you would notice).
The main difference is delivery in power...
A UK car wont give you that kick up the **** feel where as the wrx will but there wont be much in it, on twisty roads both the wrx and a uk car will be unseperable, its only on the open straights where the wrx will pull one or two lenghts ahead.
Saying that, ive a uk MY00 with the performance pack fitted... ive left wrx's in the mid range as the performance pack gives 250bhp and 250lbs of torque (check out the figures in the dyno readings).
There are some mechanical differences in the wrx that are not in the uk car, the diff is different to start with but not that you would notice, the suspension arms are alloy (cost a packet if you knacker them, about 1k) gearboxes are different along with the turbos but the engines are the same!! (except the STi's).
The down side to jap imports are as follows
Turbo lag from hell in comparison with uk cars.
no dealer network
parts are harder to get hold of
insurance is more costly
There aint alot in it performance wise
you can only use super unleaded fuel
The up sides are....
There are enough speciallists for you to take your car to for servicing etc.
They give you that big push in the seat feel when the turbo kicks in
They are of a higher spec than the uk car.
There aint alot in it personally, it depends if you want the "hard core" or just impreza ownership as i put it, for me there is no hardcore except the 22B
but then again we all want one of those Tony
PS ill be at NM6, show those wrx's that theres nowt wrong with uk cars
[/quote]
All I can say is that I had a UK 1998 turbo (in racing red
) and performance wise my MY00 RA destroys it. Having said that the UK was more suited to UK roads
and didnt take the concentration the WRX does .
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Yeah but Chrisp,
the newer cars like my MY00 has the same suspesion as your Type RA (sti setup) but your ratios are closer, thus the quicker cars but i think ive got more at the top end of the range (speedo that is) and yours is a rally approved car
But on the twisty bits there aint nowt in it really, even JohnF can tell you that in his sport!!
Tony
the newer cars like my MY00 has the same suspesion as your Type RA (sti setup) but your ratios are closer, thus the quicker cars but i think ive got more at the top end of the range (speedo that is
) and yours is a rally approved car But on the twisty bits there aint nowt in it really, even JohnF can tell you that in his sport!!
Tony
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by TonyBurns:
<B>Yeah but Chrisp,
the newer cars like my MY00 has the same suspesion as your Type RA (sti setup) but your ratios are closer, thus the quicker cars but i think ive got more at the top end of the range (speedo that is) and yours is a rally approved car
But on the twisty bits there aint nowt in it really, even JohnF can tell you that in his sport!!
Tony[/quote]
- I know Tony it really depends what you want and there is very little in the twisties, driver dependent and in my hands you would be all over me (find a straight bit of road quick ). The impreza turbo is a great car in all forms, which why I went from a UK to Import simply for a change and a more "hard-core" car and didnt swop to another make. My RA has the rock hard pink STi struts and the close ratio box which aids aceleration some what . Very little lag but cruising rpms are higher 20mph per 1000rpm in 5th, so you probably have a bit more at the top end .
<B>Yeah but Chrisp,
the newer cars like my MY00 has the same suspesion as your Type RA (sti setup) but your ratios are closer, thus the quicker cars but i think ive got more at the top end of the range (speedo that is
) and yours is a rally approved car But on the twisty bits there aint nowt in it really, even JohnF can tell you that in his sport!!
Tony[/quote]
- I know Tony it really depends what you want and there is very little in the twisties, driver dependent and in my hands you would be all over me (find a straight bit of road quick ). The impreza turbo is a great car in all forms, which why I went from a UK to Import simply for a change and a more "hard-core" car and didnt swop to another make. My RA has the rock hard pink STi struts and the close ratio box which aids aceleration some what . Very little lag but cruising rpms are higher 20mph per 1000rpm in 5th, so you probably have a bit more at the top end .
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Turbo' nowt wrong with Fords mate, thats all we owned prior to the scoob, wanted to carry on the Ford theme and get an escort cossie but the funds could'nt stretch to the prices at the time, I also wanted some billies and 18" Rondells just to finish it off, but there was no way we were getting into debt on a car. As far as the turbo lag you can sort that out with a decent down pipe and system, but what Tony said is spot on.
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With the RA having a ratio of 20 mph @ 1000 rpm in top is very good for acceleration but also take into mind that it will bounce of the limiter at 8250 rpm ,over a thousand more revs than uk spec.Hence nothing in it at top speed.
Im pink and i'm proud
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,over a thousand more revs than uk spec.Hence nothing in it at top speed. Im pink and i'm proud
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Thanx for all the help fellas.
Cheers Craft, i started on RS turbos (im driving a **** cavalier turbo now) and i spose a cosworth is the next step. But i do about 15,000 miles a year and reliability is a huge problem wiv fords, as im sure your aware. I was considering blowin my cash on another RS turbo but it would be undriveable and break down every five minutes so....scoobyland here i come!
Cheers Craft, i started on RS turbos (im driving a **** cavalier turbo now) and i spose a cosworth is the next step. But i do about 15,000 miles a year and reliability is a huge problem wiv fords, as im sure your aware. I was considering blowin my cash on another RS turbo but it would be undriveable and break down every five minutes so....scoobyland here i come!
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Turbo,
Good choice m8, at our last strip meet our club had 12 imprezas (3 WRX`s & 9 Turbos). There were 2 geezers with scort cossies mouthin off the usual crap. Come the end of the day after a lot of runs etc we left with 12 imprezas under their own power, but not b4 we`d flipped the bird to the guys with the broken down cossies up on ramps The impreza is a rally car converted for the road, the cossie is a road car converted for rallyin (on top of that it`s still a ford IMHO jus like puttin a silk hat on a pig really
Like the guys picked up on, yeah it is dearer 4 insurance on a WRX they`ve twigged that the japs r bigger bhp. The additional kick in the shorts makes it worth it though
Spares hmmmm.. never had any probs with gettin anything as 90 - 95% of the parts are directly replacable with uk parts.
Fuel - no worries use octane booster
"There aint alot in it performance wise" from wot I can remember in std guise the only scoobs that bettered my WRX on a 1/4 were a 22b and a P1 no uk turbos got close. They would pull off the line qwicker but when the turbo spooled at the 1/16 mile point they were only visible in the rear view mirror 
and top end the uk 1 with the smaller turbo ran outta puff well b4 the WRX with the std monsta turbo of course this is comparing a 94WRX to a 2000 turbo
Anyway which ever 1 u go 4 have phun and drive carefully
Pete
Good choice m8, at our last strip meet our club had 12 imprezas (3 WRX`s & 9 Turbos). There were 2 geezers with scort cossies mouthin off the usual crap. Come the end of the day after a lot of runs etc we left with 12 imprezas under their own power, but not b4 we`d flipped the bird to the guys with the broken down cossies up on ramps
The impreza is a rally car converted for the road, the cossie is a road car converted for rallyin (on top of that it`s still a ford IMHO jus like puttin a silk hat on a pig really Like the guys picked up on, yeah it is dearer 4 insurance on a WRX they`ve twigged that the japs r bigger bhp. The additional kick in the shorts makes it worth it though
Spares hmmmm.. never had any probs with gettin anything as 90 - 95% of the parts are directly replacable with uk parts.
Fuel - no worries use octane booster
"There aint alot in it performance wise" from wot I can remember in std guise the only scoobs that bettered my WRX on a 1/4 were a 22b and a P1
no uk turbos got close. They would pull off the line qwicker but when the turbo spooled at the 1/16 mile point they were only visible in the rear view mirror and top end the uk 1 with the smaller turbo ran outta puff well b4 the WRX with the std monsta turbo of course this is comparing a 94WRX to a 2000 turbo Anyway which ever 1 u go 4 have phun and drive carefully
Pete
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I was at crail a while back, the only other cars that beat me were wrx's and a uk turbo...
the uk turbo was getting better times than the wrx's
and that was with just an exhaust, decatted from d/p back.
Now it was close between me and the other scoob but he did beat me each time doh!
But then again i also beat a wrx which was running normally so as you see there aint alot in it, i would have got better times but kept bogging me turbo down but sussed it now
Tony (uk my00 with ppp)
the uk turbo was getting better times than the wrx's
and that was with just an exhaust, decatted from d/p back.Now it was close between me and the other scoob but he did beat me each time
doh!But then again i also beat a wrx which was running normally
so as you see there aint alot in it, i would have got better times but kept bogging me turbo down but sussed it now Tony (uk my00 with ppp)
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Tony,
Nice 1 m8, when was it u were there? Next time u r commin up gimme a shout and I`ll introduce u 2 the lads.
In fact checkout our site for now so u know who u r meeting
Nice 1 m8, when was it u were there? Next time u r commin up gimme a shout and I`ll introduce u 2 the lads.
In fact checkout our site for now so u know who u r meeting
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