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06 August 2001, 12:59 AM
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Hmmmmm there seems to be alot of my old ones faster ...not a criticism...just an observation....I'm not convinced that the standard Turbo AWD's get 5.4ish regularly....I was under the impression there was more turbo lag on the older model....I think at one of the meets 2 of the guys with standard cars should try it out!! A kind of old vs new (head 2 head) hehehehe just to see what the results are! I don't think the new is faster but I do think it is probably closer to 60 than alot of owners think.
06 August 2001, 03:38 AM
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Can someone tell me the answer to this one!
Subaru Impreza Turbo AWD 4 door saloon completely standard purchased in 1999 vs Subaru Impreza WRX purchased in 2001. Both have been run in.......which one is faster 0 - 60 ? and also stopped at the lights side by side......which one is faster to 60 mph ?
The reason I ask is because I have always thought the old model is faster than the new WRX but looking at some 0 - 60 times Subaru used to quote 6.3 for the 1999 scoob as opposed to 5.9 for the new scoob......comments please!!
Subaru Impreza Turbo AWD 4 door saloon completely standard purchased in 1999 vs Subaru Impreza WRX purchased in 2001. Both have been run in.......which one is faster 0 - 60 ? and also stopped at the lights side by side......which one is faster to 60 mph ?
The reason I ask is because I have always thought the old model is faster than the new WRX but looking at some 0 - 60 times Subaru used to quote 6.3 for the 1999 scoob as opposed to 5.9 for the new scoob......comments please!!
06 August 2001, 07:14 AM
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Surbaru were always conservative with the "old" shape Impreza's 0-60 times.
Testers tended to get around 5.8ish for the 94-97MY - After the face lift & "engine lift" times of low 5's were common (5.3/5.4)
Off the lights in a 01MY vs a 99MY I would think that it would be very close - if both drivers changed gear perfectly & changed at optimum revs & reacted to the lights at the same time (very unlikely) then I would think the 99MY would be a little in front - maybe half a car length ?
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Testers tended to get around 5.8ish for the 94-97MY - After the face lift & "engine lift" times of low 5's were common (5.3/5.4)
Off the lights in a 01MY vs a 99MY I would think that it would be very close - if both drivers changed gear perfectly & changed at optimum revs & reacted to the lights at the same time (very unlikely) then I would think the 99MY would be a little in front - maybe half a car length ?
Ro.
06 August 2001, 10:48 AM
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I just read this yesterday but I'm quoting from memory so don't blame me if I'm slightly wrong 
Evo Mag quotes 5.4 secs for a MY99 Turbo versus 5.8 secs or higher for a MY01 WRX.
Probably down to the 100-150kgs extra the WRX is carrying around.
Can you tell I own a MY99?
Evo Mag quotes 5.4 secs for a MY99 Turbo versus 5.8 secs or higher for a MY01 WRX.
Probably down to the 100-150kgs extra the WRX is carrying around.
Can you tell I own a MY99?
06 August 2001, 10:52 AM
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Have to disagree.
Same engine, but the 01 weighs 150kg more. All at the front, not at the back where the grip is more useful!
I seem to recall people such as Stef getting 0-60 in an "almost" standard uk car in under 5 secs.
edited cos I meant under 5 secs, not 4!
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Same engine, but the 01 weighs 150kg more. All at the front, not at the back where the grip is more useful!
I seem to recall people such as Stef getting 0-60 in an "almost" standard uk car in under 5 secs.
edited cos I meant under 5 secs, not 4!
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06 August 2001, 02:08 PM
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I believe laggyness of various turbos do not enter the equation when talking of ultimate 0-60 times.
Also I wouldn't even entertain attempting to do a 0-60 the way the testers do it to get these figures!!
traffic light gp?, in the real world if you can account for the differences in traction, driver, reaction etc i.e. essentially the same car but one heavier than the other (which I think is the basis of this thread)then the lighter car will accelerate quicker.
All IMHO of course, anyway - chuck it round some corners man!
Justin
Also I wouldn't even entertain attempting to do a 0-60 the way the testers do it to get these figures!!
traffic light gp?, in the real world if you can account for the differences in traction, driver, reaction etc i.e. essentially the same car but one heavier than the other (which I think is the basis of this thread)then the lighter car will accelerate quicker.
All IMHO of course, anyway - chuck it round some corners man!
Justin
06 August 2001, 02:20 PM
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sorry, typo,
that should have been 0-60 in under 5 secs.
I was getting carried away thinking about my car.
Stefs was something like 4.8 or something. I believe it was done using proper timing or at santa pod, but you would have to ask him that.
lag wise I am not sure what people mean, Proper 0-60s, the turbo is already at the right rpm for max boost once the load is placed.
I dont think it is an old versus new. Probably just new shape owners insecure cos their cars are a touch on the lardy side!
that should have been 0-60 in under 5 secs.
I was getting carried away thinking about my car.
Stefs was something like 4.8 or something. I believe it was done using proper timing or at santa pod, but you would have to ask him that.
lag wise I am not sure what people mean, Proper 0-60s, the turbo is already at the right rpm for max boost once the load is placed.
I dont think it is an old versus new. Probably just new shape owners insecure cos their cars are a touch on the lardy side!
06 August 2001, 04:03 PM
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Hi guys,
Just to note
I the interests of science - and sticking strictly to the speed limits
we put the MY01 against the P1 and a MY99.
We tried them as standard cars and no prizes for guessing the winner. Howeer the MY99 was about half a car up on the MY99 to sixty. Both cars have since had full decat SS sytems fitted and ITG filter (245BHP I believe). The MY01 now takes it to a car in front and is better down the lanes with no upgrades to suspension. P1 still kicks ***. We swapped cars and same results. The MY99 has a habit of kicking suddenly back if you over cook it and create under steer. The MY01 tends to lose back end traction if hitting bumps whilst giving it some !
Sorry - never did 0 - 60. However I find the straight line times vary according to the day, woh much fuel, passengers etc. One day I left a VTEC prelude for dead when quoted 0 - 60 is around 6 seconds. On another day in stop start traffic I was finding it hard to shake an annoying 330 DIESEL coupe (impressive torque figures)
What was even more annoying was the tought that it probably cost me £5 more than him for the race
Hope it helps
Would like it faster but I know there are limitations as to what they can take, and if you spend too much you might as well get a P1.
What has Stef done to the car ?
Scoobyebye
Just to note
I the interests of science - and sticking strictly to the speed limits
we put the MY01 against the P1
and a MY99.We tried them as standard cars and no prizes for guessing the winner. Howeer the MY99 was about half a car up on the MY99 to sixty. Both cars have since had full decat SS sytems fitted and ITG filter (245BHP I believe). The MY01 now takes it to a car in front and is better down the lanes with no upgrades to suspension. P1 still kicks ***. We swapped cars and same results. The MY99 has a habit of kicking suddenly back if you over cook it and create under steer. The MY01 tends to lose back end traction if hitting bumps whilst giving it some !
Sorry - never did 0 - 60. However I find the straight line times vary according to the day, woh much fuel, passengers etc. One day I left a VTEC prelude for dead when quoted 0 - 60 is around 6 seconds. On another day in stop start traffic I was finding it hard to shake an annoying 330 DIESEL coupe (impressive torque figures)
What was even more annoying was the tought that it probably cost me £5 more than him for the race
Hope it helps
Would like it faster but I know there are limitations as to what they can take, and if you spend too much you might as well get a P1.
What has Stef done to the car ?
Scoobyebye
06 August 2001, 06:43 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Richard Askew:
<B>.....my little '97 wagon would kick an 01's ****....
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It would'nt kick my UK300's ****
<B>.....my little '97 wagon would kick an 01's ****....
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It would'nt kick my UK300's ****
06 August 2001, 07:00 PM
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Oh here we go again 
if you want impressive power figures.....
my MY00 with PPP is quicker than an MY01 and also quicker than the uk 300! approx 200bhp per tonne there (weight as 1245kg for my turbo and 250bhp for the PPP), but would probably suffer a little in the handling compared to the MY01 but the difference would be nominal and it would be down to the driver.
ohhhh now me fave subject.... Turbo lag!!
What is it?? my car does not in any way suffer from it, its as smooth as a baby's bottom damn even some normal cars feel "laggy" in comparsion
Tony
if you want impressive power figures.....
my MY00 with PPP is quicker than an MY01 and also quicker than the uk 300! approx 200bhp per tonne there
(weight as 1245kg for my turbo and 250bhp for the PPP), but would probably suffer a little in the handling compared to the MY01 but the difference would be nominal and it would be down to the driver.ohhhh now me fave subject.... Turbo lag!!
What is it?? my car does not in any way suffer from it, its as smooth as a baby's bottom
damn even some normal cars feel "laggy" in comparsion Tony
06 August 2001, 08:06 PM
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there has to be one does'nt there
my RB5 had full SS system, ITG, octane
my uk300 ppp is quicker by a fair margin and its not properly run in yet. I have owned both cars a can tell you that having driven them for a length of time, including a back to back with a friends similar spec 98 that the uk300 is quicker
its an urban myth that the 01 is slower( just ask Jacko and some of the Sussex meet boys)
in standard form the 01 is slower than a 99 in standard form, but thats because its so restricted. amazing what a little tweaking can do
my RB5 had full SS system, ITG, octane
my uk300 ppp is quicker by a fair margin and its not properly run in yet. I have owned both cars a can tell you that having driven them for a length of time, including a back to back with a friends similar spec 98 that the uk300 is quicker
its an urban myth that the 01 is slower( just ask Jacko and some of the Sussex meet boys)
in standard form the 01 is slower than a 99 in standard form, but thats because its so restricted. amazing what a little tweaking can do
07 August 2001, 08:00 PM
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I don't doubt what you are saying about the UK 300 but in the latest EVO with the shootout of the MY01 Sti import, the UK 300 and the P1 it quotes the 0 - 60 for the UK 300 as 5.9 seconds.
I want a job doing these reports, I think the criteria is that you must qualify for OAP insurance discount and you must run the meals on wheels around without spilling them. I could NOT get my SS 245BHP MY01 to go that slow if I tried
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I want a job doing these reports, I think the criteria is that you must qualify for OAP insurance discount and you must run the meals on wheels around without spilling them. I could NOT get my SS 245BHP MY01 to go that slow if I tried
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07 August 2001, 08:44 PM
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How do you get the best 0-60 time in an impreza? What sort of revs do you drop the clutch at? If you start at too high revs it's almost as if the rev limiter hits before the tyres have caught up!
Concerning MY01 vs MY99 the engine power and torque are almost identical (as standard) and the MY01 is over 10% heavier. Therefore the MY01 has to be over 10% slower in all in-gear performance comparisons. The 0-60 and other standing start runs are tricky and prone to big differences due to grip (tyre and road surface), gear change time, start revs, etc..
Concerning MY01 vs MY99 the engine power and torque are almost identical (as standard) and the MY01 is over 10% heavier. Therefore the MY01 has to be over 10% slower in all in-gear performance comparisons. The 0-60 and other standing start runs are tricky and prone to big differences due to grip (tyre and road surface), gear change time, start revs, etc..
07 August 2001, 09:19 PM
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"On a tricky stretch of black-top, not many cars could live with an RB5. And not a UK300." The UK300 was 2.5 seconds slower to 100mph than the RB5. 9.1 vs 10.8 is quite a difference from 60-100 - I wonder if they do their 0-max run in one go and note the 30,60,100 intervals on the same run? And the UK300 is only 0.1sec quicker to 100mph than a TT 225!
If EVO manage to get 5.0 on the RB5 and 4.9 on the P1 which are within 0.1-0.2s of the best I've seen in the magazines, then their 0-xmph technique can't be that bad can it?
Whatever, it is human nature to defend your own car over others. Hence why I like my PPP MY00 too.
If EVO manage to get 5.0 on the RB5 and 4.9 on the P1 which are within 0.1-0.2s of the best I've seen in the magazines, then their 0-xmph technique can't be that bad can it?
Whatever, it is human nature to defend your own car over others. Hence why I like my PPP MY00 too.