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12 September 2002, 01:36 PM
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RB5 286 here, they are gr8 fun, built with a solid rear bulk head giving more rigidity then the uk spec'd cars and lovely (rare) titanium prodrive 17" wheels.
more rare than the P1's, about 350 left out of the original 444
if u get a chance drive a non pro drive and pro drived.
i did and opted to go for the slower version so i can get used to the car before i get in PPP'd
they are always for sale on here so its easy to upgrade
more rare than the P1's, about 350 left out of the original 444
if u get a chance drive a non pro drive and pro drived.
i did and opted to go for the slower version so i can get used to the car before i get in PPP'd
they are always for sale on here so its easy to upgrade
12 September 2002, 01:42 PM
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I have driven mine plus STi7 & P1 back to back. Wouldn't swap either for mine. Ride quality is good, subtle looks, decent wheels, all the extras you need, rare and fairly cheap to run. Go for a WR version if you can even just for the rear spoiler! Easy to add though and lots of back-boxes and centre sections to chhose from.
12 September 2002, 01:53 PM
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I also own a WR Sport version. Previously had a MY99 UK turbo for 3 years and there is a big difference, but that is not really what you are asking about I guess.
I havent had much experience with the WRX apart from an extended test drive in one when I had the MY99. It seemed very dull to me by comparison, although on reflection I decided this possibly made it a "better" car as it did the same job but with less fuss and effort. I prefer a bit more drama and that is what you get with the RB5 WR Sport. Looks fantastic, sounds fantastic, IS fantastic! Buy the one which is being offered ridiculously cheaply in the for sale section as I get very depressed that it is being offered at such a bargain price when I payed a lot more for mine 1 month ago!
Steve
I havent had much experience with the WRX apart from an extended test drive in one when I had the MY99. It seemed very dull to me by comparison, although on reflection I decided this possibly made it a "better" car as it did the same job but with less fuss and effort. I prefer a bit more drama and that is what you get with the RB5 WR Sport. Looks fantastic, sounds fantastic, IS fantastic! Buy the one which is being offered ridiculously cheaply in the for sale section as I get very depressed that it is being offered at such a bargain price when I payed a lot more for mine 1 month ago!
Steve
12 September 2002, 02:42 PM
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guys thanks....
its as a main car also for the wife to use (and baby in back) and for long distance and also to trailer my caterham to the track. Also, can bung it round eth circuit instead should it rain.
I used to own an evo but the EVO7 is too manic for what i want. Is the RB5 reasonably civilised ? And is it laggy ? The new age wrx i dont like at all, borrowed one for a month and found it very light, no steering feel and terruble lag and all it ever wated to do was understeer.... P1 was a lot better IMO. The only other thing that puts me off is the interior... is it real cheap looking ? The only other car on teh shortlist is a bm 330ci sport which is bigger on luxury and touring but gonna cost me a lot more.
its as a main car also for the wife to use (and baby in back) and for long distance and also to trailer my caterham to the track. Also, can bung it round eth circuit instead should it rain.
I used to own an evo but the EVO7 is too manic for what i want. Is the RB5 reasonably civilised ? And is it laggy ? The new age wrx i dont like at all, borrowed one for a month and found it very light, no steering feel and terruble lag and all it ever wated to do was understeer.... P1 was a lot better IMO. The only other thing that puts me off is the interior... is it real cheap looking ? The only other car on teh shortlist is a bm 330ci sport which is bigger on luxury and touring but gonna cost me a lot more.
12 September 2002, 03:15 PM
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Interior cheap looking??? Bloody cheek! Seriously though, I guess that is a matter of opinion. I think it looks good.
There is certainly no shortage of feeling through the steering and the car feels better balanced than my old MY99, plus RB5 has much better turn-in, even though the only difference is the bigger wheels.
Even with the Prodrive exhaust, the car is pretty civilised on a long run. It is certainly a bit noisy when you rev it but once you settle down on the motorway it is barely noticeable.
The extra torque from the WR Sport version would no doubt help tow the Caterham and the mid range is noticeably much stronger than a car without PPP, so lag is not much of a problem.
One observation that you may or may not have considered - the RB5 has a fixed rear bulkhead so no folding rear seats.
Hope this helps convince you not to buy the beemer.
Steve
There is certainly no shortage of feeling through the steering and the car feels better balanced than my old MY99, plus RB5 has much better turn-in, even though the only difference is the bigger wheels.
Even with the Prodrive exhaust, the car is pretty civilised on a long run. It is certainly a bit noisy when you rev it but once you settle down on the motorway it is barely noticeable.
The extra torque from the WR Sport version would no doubt help tow the Caterham and the mid range is noticeably much stronger than a car without PPP, so lag is not much of a problem.
One observation that you may or may not have considered - the RB5 has a fixed rear bulkhead so no folding rear seats.
Hope this helps convince you not to buy the beemer.
Steve
12 September 2002, 03:22 PM
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steve ... apologies, wasnt implying that interior was cheap looking, ive never seen one... but thought P1 interior was nasty.
Folding seats not a problem... as long as boot is reasonably big.
guess i should go and test drive one ... i like the sound of teh steering feel & turn in
Folding seats not a problem... as long as boot is reasonably big.
guess i should go and test drive one ... i like the sound of teh steering feel & turn in
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12 September 2002, 03:47 PM
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no offence taken on the interior. purely a matter of taste and it does take some getting used to, particularly the red stitching on the seats and red mat surrounds! it is not that dissimilar to P1 interior though so you may not like it.
In case you havent seen it, this looks as though it is in your neck of the woods and has your name written all over it:
http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/thread.asp?threadid=126599
In case you havent seen it, this looks as though it is in your neck of the woods and has your name written all over it:
http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/thread.asp?threadid=126599
12 September 2002, 03:54 PM
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hmmm looks like a nice car
but the mileage is a bit high for me
check this beaut out:
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id=16513970
a 22b of course, 29k he wants for it, 14k miles... but its only 2 doors so no good to me.
but the mileage is a bit high for me
check this beaut out:
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id=16513970
a 22b of course, 29k he wants for it, 14k miles... but its only 2 doors so no good to me.
12 September 2002, 07:47 PM
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If you want it as a family car I would go for the 4 doors. Safer as well and you can lock all the doors via the drivers lock. The RB5 also has remote central locking as standard - it even has a 'panic' facility on the key fob if you keep it pressed down for a certain time. Although the kids don't travel in mine too often, the ride is fine but a bit harsh in a P1 I suspect, especially for a baby! Shame you aren't a bit closer, I'd gladly let you try mine. It is the best all rounder, I think.
12 September 2002, 08:47 PM
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I've now had RB5 no.190 for just over 2 weeks and am over the moon. Previous i had an MY96 5dr and the difference is incredible. Mine's a non-prodrive version but with a Scoobysport backbox and can honestly say that the engine is such a leap forward as to feel like a completely different unit - I find virtually no lag, with more refinement and (not that it counts) much better economy. Handling is superb and IMO the looks are the best compromise of any Scoob between in your face brutality and class. I certainly get a lot of (nice) attention when I drive anywhere.
As for the interior - can't fault it. With the alcantara seats it looks superb and can't fault the build quality. Friends who drive new M3's have been in it and they are very favourable towards the interior. I think it's a special place to be and the driving position is superb. In short it's the interior of a great driver's car.
Are there really only 350 left?!
DP.
As for the interior - can't fault it. With the alcantara seats it looks superb and can't fault the build quality. Friends who drive new M3's have been in it and they are very favourable towards the interior. I think it's a special place to be and the driving position is superb. In short it's the interior of a great driver's car.
Are there really only 350 left?!
DP.
12 September 2002, 11:26 PM
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rb418 i bought it on tuesday and think there wicked even with the
baby seat in the back.ive never been in a non pp one wouldnt of thought that there would be much in it though.
cheers mouse
baby seat in the back.ive never been in a non pp one wouldnt of thought that there would be much in it though.
cheers mouse
13 September 2002, 12:13 AM
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I have no. 136 which is a WR Sport version with the full PPP treatment. I have had the car since February and it is my first performance vehicle as i owned an Escort 1.6lx and a Rover 214 before i bought this fantastic machine!
Like has been mentioned previously there were only 444 made and as such there does seem to be some exclusiveity about them, i have only seen one on the road since owning mine and one at a Jap car show down in Hickstead recently. As for P1s you do tend to see them about a bit more but i guess if i had a couple more grand spare i would go for one of them.
As for handling etc, it is great and i still have a smile on my face even after owning it for more than 6 months. It just seems to go where you point it and now that i have put on yhe new Goodyear F1s it is even more grippy.
The Prodrive exhaust makes a great noice once warmed up and is not unobtrusive when doing motorway miles. I drive in to London everday and it is great on the motorway and equally as good in the traffic as you can quickly sneek by people as the acceleration is pretty damn rapid!
I must admit though that i was disappointed to have lost the car for 4 weeks as the big ends went and i had a whole new bottom end put in under the extended warranty that i took out1 But i guess sh*t happens and at least it has been dealt with!
All in all a great car, take one for a spin and make your own mind up!
Ps mine cot £18k back in Feb from a main dealer if that gives you an idea what to pay!
Mikey
Like has been mentioned previously there were only 444 made and as such there does seem to be some exclusiveity about them, i have only seen one on the road since owning mine and one at a Jap car show down in Hickstead recently. As for P1s you do tend to see them about a bit more but i guess if i had a couple more grand spare i would go for one of them.
As for handling etc, it is great and i still have a smile on my face even after owning it for more than 6 months. It just seems to go where you point it and now that i have put on yhe new Goodyear F1s it is even more grippy.
The Prodrive exhaust makes a great noice once warmed up and is not unobtrusive when doing motorway miles. I drive in to London everday and it is great on the motorway and equally as good in the traffic as you can quickly sneek by people as the acceleration is pretty damn rapid!
I must admit though that i was disappointed to have lost the car for 4 weeks as the big ends went and i had a whole new bottom end put in under the extended warranty that i took out1 But i guess sh*t happens and at least it has been dealt with!
All in all a great car, take one for a spin and make your own mind up!
Ps mine cot £18k back in Feb from a main dealer if that gives you an idea what to pay!
Mikey
13 September 2002, 12:20 AM
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RB5 Wrsport - Fab car. I've recently moved mine on for a number of reasons, but not one of them was because the car didn't thrill me every time I got in the drivers seat.
RB5 is more exclusive, with a better trim than the normal cars, plus bonus of air con as standard.
PIAA spots are the mutts nutts when it comes to night driving, and the wr is notably more torquey than standard one.
Ride is comfortable, even on motorways and the only prob I ever had on long journeys was keeping the speed down!!
Hope you find one, you'll love it...!
IT.
RB5 is more exclusive, with a better trim than the normal cars, plus bonus of air con as standard.
PIAA spots are the mutts nutts when it comes to night driving, and the wr is notably more torquey than standard one.
Ride is comfortable, even on motorways and the only prob I ever had on long journeys was keeping the speed down!!
Hope you find one, you'll love it...!
IT.
13 September 2002, 12:23 AM
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RB5#295,
Can't say I agree with you on the steering front. Mines perfect. What tyres you got, I got reasonably new SO3s (I couldn't get SO2s) and previously had Toyos, that were **** IMHO. I'm on standard 17"
What pressures you running in them, I find 34 front, 30 rear is best.
Does yours understeer much ? Have you checked the camber ? Maybe a visit to powerstation for a bump steer ?
Just trying to help mate
P
Can't say I agree with you on the steering front. Mines perfect. What tyres you got, I got reasonably new SO3s (I couldn't get SO2s) and previously had Toyos, that were **** IMHO. I'm on standard 17"
What pressures you running in them, I find 34 front, 30 rear is best.
Does yours understeer much ? Have you checked the camber ? Maybe a visit to powerstation for a bump steer ?
Just trying to help mate
P
13 September 2002, 12:33 AM
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13 September 2002, 06:44 AM
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To improve the handling and steering feel, try 40 front and 35 rear - I have found this works best on Toyo Proxes. 35 at the rear gives more lift-off over steer (book quotes 28 I think to keep it 'safe') and 40 at the front gives less vagueness. Also greatly reduces the dreaded tyre wear on the outer edges. I think Mike Wood from Prodrive suggested 50 for track days!
13 September 2002, 07:55 AM
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We had a bit of a discussion about steering under a thread headed something about P2 and bettet steering a few weeks ago.
I have the P-Zeros that mine had just had fitted before I bought it and at standard pressures, and it understeers (with an embarrassing howl) if you push it hard enough. I know that there are geometry changes that can improve things and I will not replace the Pirellis with the same again when they are trashed. I guess I could mess with the pressures...
Anyhow, what I meant ws that I don't rate the steering on Scoobies at all; I came directly from a 944 turbo and they have proper assisted steering, but you can't beat an unassisted (pre-89) 911 for feel IMHO and experience. Even the Elise isn't as sweet as the 911. I haven't tried a Caterfield.
Obviously the Scooby has driven front wheels which don't help, but I reckon my R5GTT was better, although that was 8 years ago and the rose-tinted specs could play a part there. I also reckon that the Clio 172's I drove were at least as good (I must be missing the point with them though; slooooooooow unless you wring their neck, then lukewarm...)
Overall the Scoob is a fine car, but I'm realistic and know it could be better in many ways. After 2 1/2 months with mine I now wish they'd made an RB5-door; the colour, interior and exclusivity with the capability not to embarrass at B&Q.
Fen
I have the P-Zeros that mine had just had fitted before I bought it and at standard pressures, and it understeers (with an embarrassing howl) if you push it hard enough. I know that there are geometry changes that can improve things and I will not replace the Pirellis with the same again when they are trashed. I guess I could mess with the pressures...
Anyhow, what I meant ws that I don't rate the steering on Scoobies at all; I came directly from a 944 turbo and they have proper assisted steering, but you can't beat an unassisted (pre-89) 911 for feel IMHO and experience. Even the Elise isn't as sweet as the 911. I haven't tried a Caterfield.
Obviously the Scooby has driven front wheels which don't help, but I reckon my R5GTT was better, although that was 8 years ago and the rose-tinted specs could play a part there. I also reckon that the Clio 172's I drove were at least as good (I must be missing the point with them though; slooooooooow unless you wring their neck, then lukewarm...)
Overall the Scoob is a fine car, but I'm realistic and know it could be better in many ways. After 2 1/2 months with mine I now wish they'd made an RB5-door; the colour, interior and exclusivity with the capability not to embarrass at B&Q.
Fen
13 September 2002, 08:11 AM
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hi jackal
just noticed this thread
dont bother with an rb5, imho its just a glorified uk car in a pretty colour
after owning an evo, you will be bored rigid with it in no time, just aint that quick(again, my own opinion)
if you want a steel blue scooby thats got a sorted interior, 4 doors, and is rapid and mint, let me know asap
just noticed this thread
dont bother with an rb5, imho its just a glorified uk car in a pretty colour
after owning an evo, you will be bored rigid with it in no time, just aint that quick(again, my own opinion)
if you want a steel blue scooby thats got a sorted interior, 4 doors, and is rapid and mint, let me know asap
13 September 2002, 08:16 AM
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http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/thread.asp?ThreadID=128573&Page=1
you can contact me on them numbers too mate, but you need to be quick if your interested
[Edited by Spudgun VI - 9/13/2002 8:18:22 AM]
[Edited by Spudgun VI - 9/13/2002 8:19:51 AM]
you can contact me on them numbers too mate, but you need to be quick if your interested
[Edited by Spudgun VI - 9/13/2002 8:18:22 AM]
[Edited by Spudgun VI - 9/13/2002 8:19:51 AM]
13 September 2002, 11:44 AM
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RB5#295,
Having got my first Impreza (MY00) almost two years ago, and having owned a Mk2 RS2000 was extremely disappointed to experience the terrible understeer the first time. I posted on here about it.
I was given some sound advise. Change the tyres (RE010) Bridgestones for better one. I used the first set up in 8 k. I choose Bridgestones SO2s (apparently the best on the market) and had the cambers changed to the Pro-drive settings at the dealers (that I assume would be set to the RB5 from new ?) I'd always intended to go to powerstation and have the bump steer done, but everytime I phoned they were to busy to fit me in
Been told by a few people that it's the best mod for £100, can't say from experience though
I found that just the above mods made the world of difference. I then read on here about tyre pressures also making a differnce, so I played around with different tyre pressure for a few days. On SO2s 16" wheels I found 34 front and 30 rear, made all the difference, strange but true. I'm sure the tyre pressure on 17" wheels should be different to 16" wheels, but at the moment am happy with the setup. Maybe used to it. The RB5 suspension IMHO is great!!
On the thread nearly two years ago, someone suggested that maybe I was expecting too much from the car, and posted a web address to a site that explained about driving techniques. I read this and thought I'd modify my driving. i.e. instead of fast in, and accelerate hard, forcing the car to understeer. I'd enter the corner slower and accelerate smoother, and found that I had a faster corner exit speed. And the car is far better balanced, if you drive like this
The next thing that changed it for me, was a mate of mine who is a ******* good driver, jumped in and showed me how to do it. From that moment on, I didn't doubt the cars ability and wasn't scared of it anymore, and was confident to drive the car flat out around corners if needed.
I now have learnt to drive the car (I think!) and if it's understeers to much will left off slightly and let the back drift around (yes, steering from the rear) once corrected will get back on the power and accelerate hard out the corner again. This lifting off can become dangerous, if you aren't used to it, and needs a little practise to get right, but am well happy with the cars handling now!! I would suggest practising the lift off oversteer on a private road or airfield to start
I'm well pleased with my RB5 WRSport now running SO3s that aren't as good as SO2s, but are better than Toyos and certainly better than Pzeros
Hope this helps, P
PS I disagree with the comment about EVOs, mine seems to keep up with EVOs around a track with minor / average mods, and I prefer a Subaru than an EVO.
Having got my first Impreza (MY00) almost two years ago, and having owned a Mk2 RS2000 was extremely disappointed to experience the terrible understeer the first time. I posted on here about it.
I was given some sound advise. Change the tyres (RE010) Bridgestones for better one. I used the first set up in 8 k. I choose Bridgestones SO2s (apparently the best on the market) and had the cambers changed to the Pro-drive settings at the dealers (that I assume would be set to the RB5 from new ?) I'd always intended to go to powerstation and have the bump steer done, but everytime I phoned they were to busy to fit me in
Been told by a few people that it's the best mod for £100, can't say from experience though I found that just the above mods made the world of difference. I then read on here about tyre pressures also making a differnce, so I played around with different tyre pressure for a few days. On SO2s 16" wheels I found 34 front and 30 rear, made all the difference, strange but true. I'm sure the tyre pressure on 17" wheels should be different to 16" wheels, but at the moment am happy with the setup. Maybe used to it. The RB5 suspension IMHO is great!!
On the thread nearly two years ago, someone suggested that maybe I was expecting too much from the car, and posted a web address to a site that explained about driving techniques. I read this and thought I'd modify my driving. i.e. instead of fast in, and accelerate hard, forcing the car to understeer. I'd enter the corner slower and accelerate smoother, and found that I had a faster corner exit speed. And the car is far better balanced, if you drive like this
The next thing that changed it for me, was a mate of mine who is a ******* good driver, jumped in and showed me how to do it. From that moment on, I didn't doubt the cars ability and wasn't scared of it anymore, and was confident to drive the car flat out around corners if needed.
I now have learnt to drive the car (I think!) and if it's understeers to much will left off slightly and let the back drift around (yes, steering from the rear) once corrected will get back on the power and accelerate hard out the corner again. This lifting off can become dangerous, if you aren't used to it, and needs a little practise to get right, but am well happy with the cars handling now!! I would suggest practising the lift off oversteer on a private road or airfield to start
I'm well pleased with my RB5 WRSport now running SO3s that aren't as good as SO2s, but are better than Toyos and certainly better than Pzeros
Hope this helps, P
PS I disagree with the comment about EVOs, mine seems to keep up with EVOs around a track with minor / average mods, and I prefer a Subaru than an EVO.
13 September 2002, 02:30 PM
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I'm prepared to accept that maybe I'm too fast into corners, but I have driven more miles in 911's than in Scoobies and the 911 is one car that only responds to slow in fast out.
What I find is that the RB5 turns in OK but when it's time to roll on the power it pushes wide rather than squat at the rear and power out. It's still pretty predictable though and I was playing with lift-off oversteer on my way home with it (whereas I was playing with power oversteer in my first 911 on the way home with it).
In any event I wasn't criticising the handling as such; it's far easier to get 9/10's out of it that out of any Porker I've driven, but that the steering feels a bit too light and uncommunicative for my taste.
Fen
What I find is that the RB5 turns in OK but when it's time to roll on the power it pushes wide rather than squat at the rear and power out. It's still pretty predictable though and I was playing with lift-off oversteer on my way home with it (whereas I was playing with power oversteer in my first 911 on the way home with it).
In any event I wasn't criticising the handling as such; it's far easier to get 9/10's out of it that out of any Porker I've driven, but that the steering feels a bit too light and uncommunicative for my taste.
Fen
13 September 2002, 02:52 PM
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Fen - I agree with what you are saying to a large extent. Earlier in this thread I commented that the turn-in and feedback on the RB5 is much better than the MY99. However, whilst it is very good it is not one of the best. I previously had a Mk1 MR2 and the steering on that car was incredible. Without a doubt the best driver's car I have ever been in and (dare I say it) much more fun to drive hard than a scooby. But, that was a car without power steering, as is the 911. Bearing that in mind I would say that the RB5 is very good and is hard to fault. Like any car, you get to know what it can and cant do and, as you say, it is much easier to get 9/10s out of than many other cars.
Steve
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13 September 2002, 03:51 PM
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Well I'm the proud owner of RB5#161 (a non-WR version) for 4 months now and would strongly recommend one (see cheap WR for sale in aforementioned thread).
Had owned a STi 3 before and whilst admittedly the STi was a lot faster (even without any mods) it was a bit of a nose bleed and too bumpy-a-ride on long journeys.
IMO the RB5 is far more refined that it's Japanese brother. Haven't had the privelage of a spin in a P1 - but I just think it is a bit too flash (sorry P1 fans).
Whilst I'm not overly keen on the new bug-eyed scooby, the STi UK is starting to grow on me with the twin lamps. Maybe in a couple of years I'll get over it and succumb to my instincts - after all, progression is a good thing... Isn't it?
Keep it moist,
Shanno
P.S. Anyone ashamed of their Pro-Drive high spoiler and wanna p/x for the lower-level, non-WR one?
get back to me at shanne.edwards@btopenworld.com
Had owned a STi 3 before and whilst admittedly the STi was a lot faster (even without any mods) it was a bit of a nose bleed and too bumpy-a-ride on long journeys.
IMO the RB5 is far more refined that it's Japanese brother. Haven't had the privelage of a spin in a P1 - but I just think it is a bit too flash (sorry P1 fans).
Whilst I'm not overly keen on the new bug-eyed scooby, the STi UK is starting to grow on me with the twin lamps. Maybe in a couple of years I'll get over it and succumb to my instincts - after all, progression is a good thing... Isn't it?
Keep it moist,
Shanno
P.S. Anyone ashamed of their Pro-Drive high spoiler and wanna p/x for the lower-level, non-WR one?
get back to me at shanne.edwards@btopenworld.com
13 September 2002, 04:04 PM
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Shanno - if anyone takes you up on the spoiler swap I will be very pi55ed off that I didnt ask first. I have a WR Sport but the original owner specified the non-Prodrive item. So if you get offered 2 of them let me know!!!
By the way, see you are part of the "Berkshire Massif" - I have only seen 2 RB5s around - 1 on Farnham Road Slough and 1 in Beaconsfield with white ribbons on the bonnet, both a couple of weeks ago.
Either of them you?
Steve
By the way, see you are part of the "Berkshire Massif" - I have only seen 2 RB5s around - 1 on Farnham Road Slough and 1 in Beaconsfield with white ribbons on the bonnet, both a couple of weeks ago.
Either of them you?
Steve