evo 6-no thanks
29 May 2001, 09:52 PM
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my car (sti 5) is in for a service and new clutch.
ive got an evo 6 till tommorrow, not sure what mods its got but you could live in the exhaust-its massive
would not swap for the world.
the evo is far slower on accelaration,and top end,
suspension is to hard (couldnt live with that for 60,000 miles a year)
also i thought it had a system (yaw or something) to stop you losing it on corners?
or is that just on the special edition?
my mates got a tommi makinen 6 which seems much faster! very bumpy ride though!
any one else tried an evo6 and sti 5 and agree?
ive got an evo 6 till tommorrow, not sure what mods its got but you could live in the exhaust-its massive
would not swap for the world.
the evo is far slower on accelaration,and top end,
suspension is to hard (couldnt live with that for 60,000 miles a year)
also i thought it had a system (yaw or something) to stop you losing it on corners?
or is that just on the special edition?
my mates got a tommi makinen 6 which seems much faster! very bumpy ride though!
any one else tried an evo6 and sti 5 and agree?
29 May 2001, 10:14 PM
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Personally I love the Evo VI, even though I drive a Scoob. Not compared it to STi V as I have never driven one, but compared to P1, I would rather have the P1. Does that make sense?
Who in Yorkshire gives out an Evo VI as a courtesy car? I get a Justy if I am lucky!!!
TONY
Personally I love the Evo VI, even though I drive a Scoob. Not compared it to STi V as I have never driven one, but compared to P1, I would rather have the P1. Does that make sense?
Who in Yorkshire gives out an Evo VI as a courtesy car? I get a Justy if I am lucky!!!
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29 May 2001, 11:37 PM
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Driven Evo, STI and P1, chose the Evo as the most focused IMHO. Nothing in it in straight line but better handling, turn in, grip, gear change, road presence. Remember you are comparing the base model Evo with the top of the range Scoob (22B excepted?) There's always the sprint,Extreme or RS450 which are faster and grippier.
Also can be modded easily and reliably to 350+bhp, unlike the STI. No comparison in my view. Look at how many Scoobers have gone Evo (stacks) compared to the other way round (only 3 I know of) - speaks volumes.
W. (A convert, the worst type) ;-)
Also can be modded easily and reliably to 350+bhp, unlike the STI. No comparison in my view. Look at how many Scoobers have gone Evo (stacks) compared to the other way round (only 3 I know of) - speaks volumes.
W. (A convert, the worst type) ;-)
30 May 2001, 12:10 AM
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Ian,
4.2 seconds to 60mph? What kept them? A lightly modded evo really doesn't accelerate as well as a lightly modded scooby... maybe they weren't driving it properly for the tests?
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4.2 seconds to 60mph? What kept them? A lightly modded evo really doesn't accelerate as well as a lightly modded scooby... maybe they weren't driving it properly for the tests?
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30 May 2001, 12:49 AM
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and I quote once again that most famous of all motoring journalists,
blah blah blah blah blah blah "its not as fast as the subaru" blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Admittedly he was talking about the 22B when he referred to the subaru, but I dont think the 22B is significntly faster than any similar vintage import STi.
Can someone explain to me how the other incarnations of evo are more grippy? do they have more rubber?
I thought the suspension mods of the special evos, improved the handling, but how do they improve the grip?
blah blah blah blah blah blah "its not as fast as the subaru" blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Admittedly he was talking about the 22B when he referred to the subaru, but I dont think the 22B is significntly faster than any similar vintage import STi.
Can someone explain to me how the other incarnations of evo are more grippy? do they have more rubber?
I thought the suspension mods of the special evos, improved the handling, but how do they improve the grip?
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30 May 2001, 07:50 AM
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I reckon you had a thrashed and trashed loan car mate. I mean, if I was given one as while my car was in for a service, Id thrash it... rude not to 
. The EVO is a quick and very stable car even without the AYC. Agree with you on the ride tho. More for the purists among us 
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. The EVO is a quick and very stable car even without the AYC. Agree with you on the ride tho. More for the purists among us Stu
30 May 2001, 08:41 AM
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Drove both an bought an STi. Even though the EVO handles better as std.
Not a lot in it straightline (there is now though
), although the EVO does "feel" slower.
Thing that put me off most was the servicing - thought depreciation would be similar. A little wrong perhaps And I get mine serviced every 3k anyway. Bit of a double DOH! really
Would still like one, but wouldn't swap for one.
Not a lot in it straightline (there is now though
), although the EVO does "feel" slower.Thing that put me off most was the servicing - thought depreciation would be similar. A little wrong perhaps
And I get mine serviced every 3k anyway. Bit of a double DOH! really Would still like one, but wouldn't swap for one.
30 May 2001, 09:48 AM
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the evo is far slower on accelaration
Do you know how to drive sir????????
Even a P1 owner has admitted to me that the Evo VI is quicker.
The AYC is there to help you corner fast not to let you go round any bend at 100mph.I have never even got mine to slide yet it sticks to the road like glue.The Tommi Mak is pretty much the same car apart from the turbo but times are the same.With the zorst the E6 had it should make it faster than a standard Tommi.I think the car you had must be knackered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is the name of this garage that lets you have an E6 as a courtesy car.I got a Punto from my local Mitsu?ralliart dealer.
Do you know how to drive sir????????
Even a P1 owner has admitted to me that the Evo VI is quicker.
The AYC is there to help you corner fast not to let you go round any bend at 100mph.I have never even got mine to slide yet it sticks to the road like glue.The Tommi Mak is pretty much the same car apart from the turbo but times are the same.With the zorst the E6 had it should make it faster than a standard Tommi.I think the car you had must be knackered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is the name of this garage that lets you have an E6 as a courtesy car.I got a Punto from my local Mitsu?ralliart dealer.
30 May 2001, 04:42 PM
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Owned a lightly modded UK, driven a heavily modded STi 5, bought a UK edition Evo 6...
Yeah it may be firm ride, yeah people look more at the car, yes it needs a service every 4500 miles (cost issue disappears if you're not a heavy mileage person) but its a great car...
I miss the sound of the scoob but the steering and seats of the Evo make up for it...
Both the UK Scoob, STi and Evo are great cars and appeal to different people with different requirements...
Sounds like you had a duff one though Smallfin !
Jason
Yeah it may be firm ride, yeah people look more at the car, yes it needs a service every 4500 miles (cost issue disappears if you're not a heavy mileage person) but its a great car...
I miss the sound of the scoob but the steering and seats of the Evo make up for it...
Both the UK Scoob, STi and Evo are great cars and appeal to different people with different requirements...
Sounds like you had a duff one though Smallfin !
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30 May 2001, 07:57 PM
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put me straight guys,cos i'm no expert!
wassup,
i thought the 6 was an equivelant to an sti
where does the 22b beat the sti?(or why is it better)
stupot
it wasnt a loan car and was well looked after
do all evo,s have ayc (it did 4 wheel slide round a roundabout at about45) would not argue that it corners better than my sti which would have understeered a lot in the same situation
it was a lot slower on accelaration esp around 60-100!
i've driven my mates mak quite a few times,now that was a match for the sti esp on corners /bends
although my mate cant quite keep up on a straght drag!
not winding you guys up
i'm just not as up on these cars as you seem to be
wassup,
i thought the 6 was an equivelant to an sti
where does the 22b beat the sti?(or why is it better)
stupot
it wasnt a loan car and was well looked after
do all evo,s have ayc (it did 4 wheel slide round a roundabout at about45) would not argue that it corners better than my sti which would have understeered a lot in the same situation
it was a lot slower on accelaration esp around 60-100!
i've driven my mates mak quite a few times,now that was a match for the sti esp on corners /bends
although my mate cant quite keep up on a straght drag!
not winding you guys up
i'm just not as up on these cars as you seem to be
30 May 2001, 11:01 PM
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After owning a scoob for a few years and driving a few other sti's i would say that performance wise the evo and the scoob are on a par.you wouldnt notice it on everyday roads but i would think the scoob has it "top end"(wrx sti model).
Now i own a lancer Evo 4 and the handling is fantasic,the AYC really holds the car on the fast corners.Performance on a par with sti.
smallfin ,i think it is just your mind playing tricks because the cars sound so different-Subaru -raw engine noise,a real beast.
Lancer-hairdryer,hard to realise what speed you are doing because its so quiet.
I can see this becoming a long thread!!
Now i own a lancer Evo 4 and the handling is fantasic,the AYC really holds the car on the fast corners.Performance on a par with sti.
smallfin ,i think it is just your mind playing tricks because the cars sound so different-Subaru -raw engine noise,a real beast.
Lancer-hairdryer,hard to realise what speed you are doing because its so quiet.
I can see this becoming a long thread!!
30 May 2001, 11:20 PM
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Smallfin,
Is your car a Type R, or alternative with a short ration gearbox?
Apart from that, the Evo's standard exhaust system is the most restrictive I have ever seen, all windey and catted up.
I agree that in standard form, its quite restrictive in those speed ranges you mention. Aerodynamics have a lot to do with it too, the Evo is shaped like a bus
Cem
Is your car a Type R, or alternative with a short ration gearbox?
Apart from that, the Evo's standard exhaust system is the most restrictive I have ever seen, all windey and catted up.
I agree that in standard form, its quite restrictive in those speed ranges you mention. Aerodynamics have a lot to do with it too, the Evo is shaped like a bus
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30 May 2001, 11:28 PM
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not my imagination mate it was slower!
blow dog
mines not type r
it s just had exaust and air filter done
also the evo had a pipe about 4" dia sticking out the back!
not my imagination mate it was slower!
blow dog
mines not type r
it s just had exaust and air filter done
also the evo had a pipe about 4" dia sticking out the back!
01 June 2001, 07:58 AM
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Jason,
lovely Evo - but you missed out a bit...
...which was faster the lightly modded Evo VI or the heavily (and this is debateable, nothing internal and still on standard suspension) modded Sti V
Trout
lovely Evo - but you missed out a bit...
...which was faster the lightly modded Evo VI or the heavily (and this is debateable, nothing internal and still on standard suspension) modded Sti V
Trout
01 June 2001, 08:08 AM
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Cem,
You ever looked under a lada???? Most restrictive exhaust i have seen..... spotted it when i was puttin on me pink dampers last Saturday!!!!!!!
i have not driven an evo for long but
my scalextrix scoob is quicker than the evo......but melly's pug 206 is far quicker.......gutted
now where did i leave my coat..........
You ever looked under a lada???? Most restrictive exhaust i have seen.....
spotted it when i was puttin on me pink dampers last Saturday!!!!!!! i have not driven an evo for long but
my scalextrix scoob is quicker than the evo......but melly's pug 206 is far quicker.......gutted
now where did i leave my coat..........
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Blow Dog:
<B>Well, I reckon you've driven a dud then. If you have doubts of the speed of Evo's, check one out on any of the track sessions SIDC organise.
Cem[/quote]
But then you'll only see scoobies now i thought ()
Jza
<B>Well, I reckon you've driven a dud then. If you have doubts of the speed of Evo's, check one out on any of the track sessions SIDC organise.
Cem[/quote]
But then you'll only see scoobies now i thought (
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01 June 2001, 10:55 AM
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The cars should be very much on a par.
Not all evos have ayc, I believe rs based cars do not. It doesn't make that much difference according to what people have said, and certainly doesn't take over and drive for you like people say it does.
Find it hard to believe that the evo was welll don on power, must have been a dud.
The most basic evo, is more than a match from any top sti and its power delivery and torque should make it quicker.
Standard torque on the evo normal editions is quoted as higher than the 22B with power being the same. Comes on boost much quicker and has a front mount intercooler as standard that is arranged to have no lag.
The 22B should be the quickest of the standard stis, because of the extra torque delivered low down combined with the shorter type r gearing and the extra grip of the wider section tyres. But there is very little in it and all of these things will be dependent on how much mechanical sympathy you have for your clutch.
I have said it before, but if I didint love the 22B so much, there is no way I would have an impreza over an evo. You can apparently improve the steering feel of the impreza with a quick rack and the bumpsteer mod, both of which I have, and they have made the car feel much more focused. Whether it feels as sharp as the evo is a different story.
Pros and cons.
Suspension is harder, but 22b is bad too.
fuel consumption is worse, and tank is small so range is rubbish.
Service interval is shorter, but nothing stopping you from taking better care of scooby, it would be better that way.
Looks are subjective, I think it looks better and much meaner.
Rarer, ahich is always nice.
Insurance is much higher.
Can service imports at all mitsi official dealers.
responds better to mild tuning- see cems rr figures.turn in is sharper.
car is heavier, so ultimately shouldnt be as nimble.
Same price to buy compared with sti.
Evo 7 is cheaper than sti 7, but from what I have seen no comparison. both are ugly but sti 7 is fugly and has lost its weight advantage without getting extra power to compensate.
have I left anything out?
Not all evos have ayc, I believe rs based cars do not. It doesn't make that much difference according to what people have said, and certainly doesn't take over and drive for you like people say it does.
Find it hard to believe that the evo was welll don on power, must have been a dud.
The most basic evo, is more than a match from any top sti and its power delivery and torque should make it quicker.
Standard torque on the evo normal editions is quoted as higher than the 22B with power being the same. Comes on boost much quicker and has a front mount intercooler as standard that is arranged to have no lag.
The 22B should be the quickest of the standard stis, because of the extra torque delivered low down combined with the shorter type r gearing and the extra grip of the wider section tyres. But there is very little in it and all of these things will be dependent on how much mechanical sympathy you have for your clutch.
I have said it before, but if I didint love the 22B so much, there is no way I would have an impreza over an evo. You can apparently improve the steering feel of the impreza with a quick rack and the bumpsteer mod, both of which I have, and they have made the car feel much more focused. Whether it feels as sharp as the evo is a different story.
Pros and cons.
Suspension is harder, but 22b is bad too.
fuel consumption is worse, and tank is small so range is rubbish.
Service interval is shorter, but nothing stopping you from taking better care of scooby, it would be better that way.
Looks are subjective, I think it looks better and much meaner.
Rarer, ahich is always nice.
Insurance is much higher.
Can service imports at all mitsi official dealers.
responds better to mild tuning- see cems rr figures.turn in is sharper.
car is heavier, so ultimately shouldnt be as nimble.
Same price to buy compared with sti.
Evo 7 is cheaper than sti 7, but from what I have seen no comparison. both are ugly but sti 7 is fugly and has lost its weight advantage without getting extra power to compensate.
have I left anything out?
01 June 2001, 04:50 PM
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Adam,
I think that was comprehensive enough!!
One thing I would comment on is that the Evo 7 is much more responsive thru the seat of the pants than the 6 was IMHO. Acceleration is more 'immediate' and the suspension a BIG step forward from the 6. Have to agree also that the Evo would be the only choice if the STi5 didn't exist. The Evo 6 is def' NOT slower in relation to 'anything' a scoob can do, steering, acceleration, braking, you name it. I haven't got any particular axe to grind either way.
I've been driving the 7 now for a few weeks and it's a wonderful car, and in yellow a particularly nice thing to bob around in. The 22B remains the 'ultimate fix' however!!
Is yours standard in the engine dept??
I think that was comprehensive enough!!
One thing I would comment on is that the Evo 7 is much more responsive thru the seat of the pants than the 6 was IMHO. Acceleration is more 'immediate' and the suspension a BIG step forward from the 6. Have to agree also that the Evo would be the only choice if the STi5 didn't exist. The Evo 6 is def' NOT slower in relation to 'anything' a scoob can do, steering, acceleration, braking, you name it. I haven't got any particular axe to grind either way.
I've been driving the 7 now for a few weeks and it's a wonderful car, and in yellow a particularly nice thing to bob around in. The 22B remains the 'ultimate fix' however!!
Is yours standard in the engine dept??
01 June 2001, 05:21 PM
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Paul are you asking me or smallfin?
I will answer anyway as it is easier to.
My car only has K and N induction, and a full BPM twister mark 3.
Have to recommend this exhaust to any 22B owner. I think it handles the extra gases beautifully and was a marked improvement over my older system.
Is quicker now than it was ever before, and that was when it had a link in it. new ecu supplied by BRD (hopefully) will be going in soon, as I think I was unlucky with my previous link being what appears to be the only ever dodgy one.
Plans now to change headers, and fit hybrid turbo.
Also there is another engine in the pipeline as these are so difficult to replaqce if you blow them up.
modding doesnt bother as I am never selling the car! It would appear that 22Bs are now falling into the hands of those people who want to keep them forever, so thats a good thing.
If this question wasnt aimed at me then am sorry.
I will answer anyway as it is easier to.
My car only has K and N induction, and a full BPM twister mark 3.
Have to recommend this exhaust to any 22B owner. I think it handles the extra gases beautifully and was a marked improvement over my older system.
Is quicker now than it was ever before, and that was when it had a link in it. new ecu supplied by BRD (hopefully) will be going in soon, as I think I was unlucky with my previous link being what appears to be the only ever dodgy one.
Plans now to change headers, and fit hybrid turbo.
Also there is another engine in the pipeline as these are so difficult to replaqce if you blow them up.
modding doesnt bother as I am never selling the car! It would appear that 22Bs are now falling into the hands of those people who want to keep them forever, so thats a good thing.
If this question wasnt aimed at me then am sorry.
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Don't forget that an Evo 6 weighs around 100kg more than an STI so that should bring it even, if not less in perfomance, than the STI.
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01 June 2001, 11:26 PM
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sorry for upsetting you guys i'm just giving my views after driving the thing.
however after having my sti for 15 months and clocking up 67,000 miles i think i know it pretty well now,
i'm not talking about track driving as i've never done it(keep meaning to but never get round to it)
from what you say it must have been a dud.
how does the standard 6 compare to the mak
i'm not talking launch starts but road driving/accelarating thruogh gears!
my mate struggles to keep up in his mak
while i have to back of when behind him,
however this is reversed on cornering.
however after having my sti for 15 months and clocking up 67,000 miles i think i know it pretty well now,
i'm not talking about track driving as i've never done it(keep meaning to but never get round to it)
from what you say it must have been a dud.
how does the standard 6 compare to the mak
i'm not talking launch starts but road driving/accelarating thruogh gears!
my mate struggles to keep up in his mak
while i have to back of when behind him,
however this is reversed on cornering.
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The other day I had a race with an Evo 6 and before your flame me (it could of been on a track) , anyway the Evo 6 left my MY00 non modded SIT for dead on the straight which is not supprising, so as regards to performance the Evo 6 is not slack , however it does looks like its made out of Halfords parts. At least the scooby has a class look about it !
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