Notices
ScoobyNet General General Subaru Discussion

Rotating the inlet manifold

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 22 February 2017, 07:20 AM
  #1  
Townsend94
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
 
Townsend94's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Wales
Posts: 222
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 1 Post
Default Rotating the inlet manifold

Does rotating the inlet manifold make any difference to performance or is it really just looks better and make the bay look a little more tidy?
Old 22 February 2017, 07:29 AM
  #2  
JDM_Stig
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (3)
 
JDM_Stig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Mount Weather
Posts: 5,840
Received 41 Likes on 33 Posts
Default

less pipework, less lag.
Old 22 February 2017, 07:46 AM
  #3  
stonejedi
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (51)
 
stonejedi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,439
Received 149 Likes on 109 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Townsend94
Does rotating the inlet manifold make any difference to performance or is it really just looks better and make the bay look a little more tidy?
Less pipework and to some looks better,but I don't really subscribe to the less lag....I have run both ways and turbo spool up is about the same meaning you would not notice any difference at all really.SJ.
Old 22 February 2017, 10:25 AM
  #4  
matt-c
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (5)
 
matt-c's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,531
Received 118 Likes on 80 Posts
Default

Cooler intake in theory due to the path of the pipes
Old 22 February 2017, 10:32 AM
  #5  
banny sti
Scooby Senior
iTrader: (68)
 
banny sti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Type R
Posts: 16,598
Received 22 Likes on 16 Posts
Default

SJ has it correct all for looks, nothing much to be gained performance or spool wise
Old 22 February 2017, 12:35 PM
  #6  
neil-h
Scooby Regular
 
neil-h's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Berks
Posts: 4,224
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stonejedi
Less pipework and to some looks better,but I don't really subscribe to the less lag....I have run both ways and turbo spool up is about the same meaning you would not notice any difference at all really.SJ.
Think the real advantage is actually in packaging, rather than performance. Rotating the throttle body frees up a hell of a lot of space that would've been filled with pipe work.
Old 22 February 2017, 02:28 PM
  #7  
stonejedi
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (51)
 
stonejedi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,439
Received 149 Likes on 109 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by neil-h
Think the real advantage is actually in packaging, rather than performance. Rotating the throttle body frees up a hell of a lot of space that would've been filled with pipe work.
It does make more space in the bay mate, but that does not answer the OP question,which was "does it give more power"and to answer that question simply "it does not!"I have it done on my car strictly for cosmetic purposes and engine bay layout,because I had plans for fitting different components and making it easier to free up more room in my engine bay for fuel swirl pot,catch can etc etc etc...SJ.
Old 22 February 2017, 07:18 PM
  #8  
stealthbomber
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (3)
 
stealthbomber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: essex
Posts: 702
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stonejedi
It does make more space in the bay mate, but that does not answer the OP question,which was "does it give more power"and to answer that question simply "it does not!"I have it done on my car strictly for cosmetic purposes and engine bay layout,because I had plans for fitting different components and making it easier to free up more room in my engine bay for fuel swirl pot,catch can etc etc etc...SJ.
Stop teasing and post a picture up, I'm a sucker for a rotated inlet
Old 22 February 2017, 07:29 PM
  #9  
bloomydj
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
bloomydj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 663
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default



My work in progress
Old 22 February 2017, 07:31 PM
  #10  
stonejedi
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (51)
 
stonejedi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,439
Received 149 Likes on 109 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stealthbomber
Stop teasing and post a picture up, I'm a sucker for a rotated inlet
As you asked so nicely


.SJ.
Old 22 February 2017, 07:35 PM
  #11  
bloomydj
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
bloomydj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 663
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by stonejedi
As you asked so nicely


.SJ.
Old 22 February 2017, 08:52 PM
  #12  
360ste
Scooby Regular
Support Scoobynet!
iTrader: (1)
 
360ste's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: In the Flatlands of Lincolnshire
Posts: 2,892
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stonejedi
As you asked so nicely


.SJ.

That is Subaru ****!!!!
Old 22 February 2017, 09:51 PM
  #13  
stealthbomber
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (3)
 
stealthbomber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: essex
Posts: 702
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Thank you SJ, just looks so good . Did you do the rotation work yourself?
Old 22 February 2017, 09:59 PM
  #14  
gazney101
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (5)
 
gazney101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: co durham
Posts: 1,114
Received 8 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

I've considered this for a while, so I searched through images on Google for some inspiration for the pipework routing and it seems some have managed to leave the alternator and aircon in position.

Anyone have any ideas as to how they've done it?

I was thinking set the alternator as low as possible and find a suitable belt, then use manifold spacers?
Or would there still not be enough room?

I will only do it if I can keep the aircon.
Old 22 February 2017, 10:02 PM
  #15  
stealthbomber
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (3)
 
stealthbomber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: essex
Posts: 702
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I'm not fussed about ditching the air-conditioning and have seen a kit for reversing the alternator bracket. Would be great to know what else is involved.
Old 22 February 2017, 11:30 PM
  #16  
stonejedi
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (51)
 
stonejedi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,439
Received 149 Likes on 109 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stealthbomber
Thank you SJ, just looks so good . Did you do the rotation work yourself?
Thanks mateI had it done by my enginebuilder.Once you rotate the inlet it comes down to measuring and re-measuring fit and refit until you get the positioning of the pipework and other ancillaries perfect,If you have the time and patients you can get it fitted how you like as long as you work out where every other part is going to fit first without fouling and still function properly,that's why I said you have to know exactly why you want to rotate the inlet manifold as you are going to get zero performance gains from doing it,but it does clean up the look and free up space in the engine bay.SJ.
Old 22 February 2017, 11:32 PM
  #17  
stonejedi
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (51)
 
stonejedi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,439
Received 149 Likes on 109 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bloomydj


My work in progress
Coming along well their mateGood choice on the inlet.SJ.
Old 23 February 2017, 05:56 AM
  #18  
stealthbomber
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (3)
 
stealthbomber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: essex
Posts: 702
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stonejedi
Thanks mateI had it done by my enginebuilder.Once you rotate the inlet it comes down to measuring and re-measuring fit and refit until you get the positioning of the pipework and other ancillaries perfect,If you have the time and patients you can get it fitted how you like as long as you work out where every other part is going to fit first without fouling and still function properly,that's why I said you have to know exactly why you want to rotate the inlet manifold as you are going to get zero performance gains from doing it,but it does clean up the look and free up space in the engine bay.SJ.
Cheers. It is only for the looks, so much neater and makes some space for catch can, fuel reg gauge mounting etc. The HDÌ fmic pipework run is fugly so would sort that too. Now, any tips on finding some spare time.......
Old 23 February 2017, 07:08 AM
  #19  
stonejedi
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (51)
 
stonejedi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,439
Received 149 Likes on 109 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stealthbomber
Cheers. It is only for the looks, so much neater and makes some space for catch can, fuel reg gauge mounting etc. The HDÌ fmic pipework run is fugly so would sort that too. Now, any tips on finding some spare time.......
Lol I'm afraid I can't help you with that one...If you are going to rotate the inlet for looks and space then go for it buddylet us know how you get on with it.....SJ.
Old 23 February 2017, 01:35 PM
  #20  
bustaMOVEs
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (31)
 
bustaMOVEs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: The 2dr club
Posts: 12,979
Likes: 0
Received 28 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

Agree purely for looks, no gains to be had otherwise I would have done it, but for the work involved just for looks, I wasn't bothered.
Plus I think I'd have to use another inlet manifold as my icv will foul the bonnet on the v5 inlet so haven't bothered.
Does look boss though coupled with a rotated turbo, it's the standard procedure look.
Old 23 February 2017, 11:57 PM
  #21  
ronjeramy
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
ronjeramy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Cas Vegas
Posts: 7,833
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stealthbomber
I'm not fussed about ditching the air-conditioning and have seen a kit for reversing the alternator bracket. Would be great to know what else is involved.
It's possible to keep the AC too, it's just more work
Old 24 February 2017, 06:41 PM
  #22  
AWG
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
AWG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Bringing up the rear of convoys since 2010!
Posts: 2,917
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

So is it the same manifold just turned 180?

Adrian is your FMIC pipework 2.5 inch?
Old 25 February 2017, 02:27 PM
  #23  
ronjeramy
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
ronjeramy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Cas Vegas
Posts: 7,833
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by AWG
So is it the same manifold just turned 180?

Adrian is your FMIC pipework 2.5 inch?
Don't think it's quite that simple, it is a Subaru after all
Old 25 February 2017, 05:29 PM
  #24  
gussy
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
gussy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: oop north in a spec-c.Now sold and starting on a classic ra track/sprint/road car
Posts: 2,536
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by AWG
So is it the same manifold just turned 180?

Adrian is your FMIC pipework 2.5 inch?
AWG from the pictures above those manifolds are the cosworth items not the oem items if you are going to use an oem item the best one to go for is the spec-c one piece if you can find one thats whats on mine flipped round.
Name:  DSCF5506_zps95558d65.jpg
Views: 0
Size:  61.9 KB

Name:  DSCF5496_zps81839393.jpg
Views: 0
Size:  55.7 KB
Old 25 February 2017, 05:58 PM
  #25  
stonejedi
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (51)
 
stonejedi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,439
Received 149 Likes on 109 Posts
Default

What gussy said Andy.SJ.
Old 25 February 2017, 06:24 PM
  #26  
stealthbomber
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (3)
 
stealthbomber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: essex
Posts: 702
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by gussy
AWG from the pictures above those manifolds are the cosworth items not the oem items if you are going to use an oem item the best one to go for is the spec-c one piece if you can find one thats whats on mine flipped round.


Gussy, that looks like a serious engine bay
Old 25 February 2017, 07:15 PM
  #27  
mickywrx
Unmapped 12.4s @ 105
iTrader: (29)
 
mickywrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Newcastle. 330bhp-289lb/ft @ 1bar boost - 12.4s @ 105mph
Posts: 11,776
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Post

Originally Posted by ronjeramy
Don't think it's quite that simple, it is a Subaru after all
It is that simple in it's basic form.
Old 25 February 2017, 07:17 PM
  #28  
mickywrx
Unmapped 12.4s @ 105
iTrader: (29)
 
mickywrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Newcastle. 330bhp-289lb/ft @ 1bar boost - 12.4s @ 105mph
Posts: 11,776
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Post

Originally Posted by gussy
if you are going to use an oem item the best one to go for is the spec-c one piece
Only on Phase 2 heads though, Gus. Same as the Cosworth manifold.
Old 27 February 2017, 09:09 AM
  #29  
AWG
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
AWG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Bringing up the rear of convoys since 2010!
Posts: 2,917
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Looks pretty awesome gussy. It was more out of interest, I'm unlikely to do anything to mine!
Old 27 February 2017, 10:24 AM
  #30  
banny sti
Scooby Senior
iTrader: (68)
 
banny sti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Type R
Posts: 16,598
Received 22 Likes on 16 Posts
Default

done using a 2 piece newage inlet

Name:  IMG_20160210_182513_zpsddpwuiwn.jpg
Views: 0
Size:  356.5 KB

Cosworth setup

Name:  1014308_562523087131452_1001346998_n_zps64bf1c8b.jpg
Views: 0
Size:  97.8 KB



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:58 PM.