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09 December 2014, 10:28 AM
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Hi
Looking for some help;
I've a turbo 2000 with PPP. I think the cat needs replacing. From what I understand there is one cat in the downpipe.
I need to be MOT friendly, are there any options that wont require a remap. I presume, as the PPP map encompasses a sports cat, any 100/200 cell replacement will work?
Looking for some help;
I've a turbo 2000 with PPP. I think the cat needs replacing. From what I understand there is one cat in the downpipe.
I need to be MOT friendly, are there any options that wont require a remap. I presume, as the PPP map encompasses a sports cat, any 100/200 cell replacement will work?
09 December 2014, 12:03 PM
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Just buy a prodrive cat bud, you could fit another make of sports cat, many are 3" bore though instead of 2.5" like standard system, so you will then need to replace complete system.
Any if you dont get it remapped, you will get the powers to be on your back
Any if you dont get it remapped, you will get the powers to be on your back
09 December 2014, 03:07 PM
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I assume prodrive cats are different from subaru ones. The question therefore, is what's fitted to my car as standard. A turbo 2000 with PPP... I guess NON prodrive in line with the suggestion above?
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09 December 2014, 03:35 PM
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Originally, I think Prodrive used an STI centre pipe which looks the same as the cat pipe, but has a silencer in place of the cat. I could be wrong though!
09 December 2014, 03:57 PM
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This was my understanding too. I've retrofitted the PPP kit to my '97 Turbo 2000 and part of that was replacing the central cat with a decat (with a silencer in my case). I've left the original cat downpipe though, as I believe this is what Prodrive do.
Originally, I think Prodrive used an STI centre pipe which looks the same as the cat pipe, but has a silencer in place of the cat. I could be wrong though!
Originally, I think Prodrive used an STI centre pipe which looks the same as the cat pipe, but has a silencer in place of the cat. I could be wrong though!
Last edited by The Trooper 1815; 09 December 2014 at 04:04 PM.
10 December 2014, 11:11 AM
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The MOT went fine. The old girl passed with no advisories for the 2nd year in a row! 
In case anyone is interested in the emissions test results, this is comparing last year with this year. The main changes that have happened between then are going from a standard '97 Turbo 2000 ECU to the PPP ECU, removal of 2nd cat for a silenced de-cat, replacing the Y-pipe under the intercooler with a silicon version, and fitting a new lambda sensor (for good measure!) along with new spark plugs.
Fast Idle Test:
CO % vol (last year): 0.009
CO % vol (this year): 0.084
CO % vol (max limit ): 0.200
HC ppm vol (last year): 7
HC ppm vol (this year): 11
HC ppm vol (max limit): 200
Lambda (last year): 1.003
Lambda (this year): 1.007
Lambda (min/max range): 0.970 - 1.030
Natural Idle Test
CO % vol (last year): 0.005
CO % vol (this year): 0.286
CO % vol (max limit ): 0.300
The only major difference I can see is the CO during the Natural Idle test. This seems to be much higher - although still within the test limits which is presumably as a result of only having one cat now, instead of two.
In case anyone is interested in the emissions test results, this is comparing last year with this year. The main changes that have happened between then are going from a standard '97 Turbo 2000 ECU to the PPP ECU, removal of 2nd cat for a silenced de-cat, replacing the Y-pipe under the intercooler with a silicon version, and fitting a new lambda sensor (for good measure!) along with new spark plugs.
Fast Idle Test:
CO % vol (last year): 0.009
CO % vol (this year): 0.084
CO % vol (max limit ): 0.200
HC ppm vol (last year): 7
HC ppm vol (this year): 11
HC ppm vol (max limit): 200
Lambda (last year): 1.003
Lambda (this year): 1.007
Lambda (min/max range): 0.970 - 1.030
Natural Idle Test
CO % vol (last year): 0.005
CO % vol (this year): 0.286
CO % vol (max limit ): 0.300
The only major difference I can see is the CO during the Natural Idle test. This seems to be much higher - although still within the test limits which is presumably as a result of only having one cat now, instead of two.
10 December 2014, 11:15 AM
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The MOT went fine. The old girl passed with no advisories for the 2nd year in a row!
In case anyone is interested in the emissions test results, this is comparing last year with this year. The main changes that have happened between then are going from a standard '97 Turbo 2000 ECU to the PPP ECU, removal of 2nd cat for a silenced de-cat, replacing the Y-pipe under the intercooler with a silicon version, and fitting a new lambda sensor (for good measure!) along with new spark plugs.
Fast Idle Test:
CO % vol (last year): 0.009
CO % vol (this year): 0.084
CO % vol (max limit ): 0.200
HC ppm vol (last year): 7
HC ppm vol (this year): 11
HC ppm vol (max limit): 200
Lambda (last year): 1.003
Lambda (this year): 1.007
Lambda (min/max range): 0.970 - 1.030
Natural Idle Test
CO % vol (last year): 0.005
CO % vol (this year): 0.286
CO % vol (max limit ): 0.300
The only major difference I can see is the CO during the Natural Idle test. This seems to be much higher - although still within the test limits which is presumably as a result of only having one cat now, instead of two.
In case anyone is interested in the emissions test results, this is comparing last year with this year. The main changes that have happened between then are going from a standard '97 Turbo 2000 ECU to the PPP ECU, removal of 2nd cat for a silenced de-cat, replacing the Y-pipe under the intercooler with a silicon version, and fitting a new lambda sensor (for good measure!) along with new spark plugs.
Fast Idle Test:
CO % vol (last year): 0.009
CO % vol (this year): 0.084
CO % vol (max limit ): 0.200
HC ppm vol (last year): 7
HC ppm vol (this year): 11
HC ppm vol (max limit): 200
Lambda (last year): 1.003
Lambda (this year): 1.007
Lambda (min/max range): 0.970 - 1.030
Natural Idle Test
CO % vol (last year): 0.005
CO % vol (this year): 0.286
CO % vol (max limit ): 0.300
The only major difference I can see is the CO during the Natural Idle test. This seems to be much higher - although still within the test limits which is presumably as a result of only having one cat now, instead of two.
How you liking the PPP additions? I've not driven a standard turbo 2000 so can't compare, but I love the way the PPP delivers the power
10 December 2014, 11:30 AM
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Also - and this is a big 'plus-point' of the PPP ECU from my point of view, the 3rd-gear 'bug' which plagued the standard ECU is completely gone. If you're not aware of it (and a search on here will show lots of people used to complain about it), what would happen is if you were in 3rd gear holding constant speed within a certain rev-range (typically 30MPH in 3rd) for more than about 6 seconds, if you went to floor it (e.g. to overtake after you enter a national speed limit from a 30 zone), the ECU would limit you to half-boost unless you remembered to 'blip' the throttle before flooring it. I can't remember that ever happening after fitting the PPP ECU.
I hope some of those ramblings above make sense - I've just re-read it, and although I understand what I'm trying to say, that doesn't mean anyone else will!
10 December 2014, 11:47 AM
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The nicer way the power is delivered was the first thing I noticed. With the standard ECU, the power would come on with a bit of a 'shove', e.g. in 2nd gear from, say 10mph (e.g. crawling up to a roundabout), foot down and, nothing, nothing - shove! The PPP ECU seems to be a much smoother delivery of power - to the point where it can be a bit deceptive - it's hard to explain, but because it now goes "nothing, mid-acceleration, hard-acceleration", instead of "nothing, nothing, shove", the transition between nothing and shove was definitely more noticeable with the standard ECU and gave the perception of more power, whereas the smoother power delivery of the PPP ECU in real-terms is faster, but doesn't always feel it!
Also - and this is a big 'plus-point' of the PPP ECU from my point of view, the 3rd-gear 'bug' which plagued the standard ECU is completely gone. If you're not aware of it (and a search on here will show lots of people used to complain about it), what would happen is if you were in 3rd gear holding constant speed within a certain rev-range (typically 30MPH in 3rd) for more than about 6 seconds, if you went to floor it (e.g. to overtake after you enter a national speed limit from a 30 zone), the ECU would limit you to half-boost unless you remembered to 'blip' the throttle before flooring it. I can't remember that ever happening after fitting the PPP ECU.
I hope some of those ramblings above make sense - I've just re-read it, and although I understand what I'm trying to say, that doesn't mean anyone else will!
Also - and this is a big 'plus-point' of the PPP ECU from my point of view, the 3rd-gear 'bug' which plagued the standard ECU is completely gone. If you're not aware of it (and a search on here will show lots of people used to complain about it), what would happen is if you were in 3rd gear holding constant speed within a certain rev-range (typically 30MPH in 3rd) for more than about 6 seconds, if you went to floor it (e.g. to overtake after you enter a national speed limit from a 30 zone), the ECU would limit you to half-boost unless you remembered to 'blip' the throttle before flooring it. I can't remember that ever happening after fitting the PPP ECU.
I hope some of those ramblings above make sense - I've just re-read it, and although I understand what I'm trying to say, that doesn't mean anyone else will!
thanks.Interesting that the PPP makes it feel slower, but I get that due to the power delivery. That "boost limiting" does sound stupid though. Glad they mapped that out.
10 December 2014, 12:03 PM
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The ECU bug was something to do with emissions, I think - designed for some test that needed to be done to get approval when they were first sold. It definitely seems to be gone from the PPP ECU though.
10 December 2014, 02:32 PM
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Another good write up Ben
When i fitted my Prodrive ECU took it for a quick spin, didn't seem to notice much difference, but saying that, i haven't yet fitted the Y pipe and panel filter, so hoping will notice more when get these 2 fitted.
Car will be off the road for 4 months, so hope i notice the difference
I really hope it improves the performance quite abit. Miss my WRX 280bhp. That was savage
When i fitted my Prodrive ECU took it for a quick spin, didn't seem to notice much difference, but saying that, i haven't yet fitted the Y pipe and panel filter, so hoping will notice more when get these 2 fitted.
Car will be off the road for 4 months, so hope i notice the difference
I really hope it improves the performance quite abit. Miss my WRX 280bhp. That was savage
The nicer way the power is delivered was the first thing I noticed. With the standard ECU, the power would come on with a bit of a 'shove', e.g. in 2nd gear from, say 10mph (e.g. crawling up to a roundabout), foot down and, nothing, nothing - shove! The PPP ECU seems to be a much smoother delivery of power - to the point where it can be a bit deceptive - it's hard to explain, but because it now goes "nothing, mid-acceleration, hard-acceleration", instead of "nothing, nothing, shove", the transition between nothing and shove was definitely more noticeable with the standard ECU and gave the perception of more power, whereas the smoother power delivery of the PPP ECU in real-terms is faster, but doesn't always feel it!
Also - and this is a big 'plus-point' of the PPP ECU from my point of view, the 3rd-gear 'bug' which plagued the standard ECU is completely gone. If you're not aware of it (and a search on here will show lots of people used to complain about it), what would happen is if you were in 3rd gear holding constant speed within a certain rev-range (typically 30MPH in 3rd) for more than about 6 seconds, if you went to floor it (e.g. to overtake after you enter a national speed limit from a 30 zone), the ECU would limit you to half-boost unless you remembered to 'blip' the throttle before flooring it. I can't remember that ever happening after fitting the PPP ECU.
I hope some of those ramblings above make sense - I've just re-read it, and although I understand what I'm trying to say, that doesn't mean anyone else will!
Also - and this is a big 'plus-point' of the PPP ECU from my point of view, the 3rd-gear 'bug' which plagued the standard ECU is completely gone. If you're not aware of it (and a search on here will show lots of people used to complain about it), what would happen is if you were in 3rd gear holding constant speed within a certain rev-range (typically 30MPH in 3rd) for more than about 6 seconds, if you went to floor it (e.g. to overtake after you enter a national speed limit from a 30 zone), the ECU would limit you to half-boost unless you remembered to 'blip' the throttle before flooring it. I can't remember that ever happening after fitting the PPP ECU.
I hope some of those ramblings above make sense - I've just re-read it, and although I understand what I'm trying to say, that doesn't mean anyone else will!
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Oh dear. Things have all of a sudden taken a U-turn. Subaru got their pricing wrong and now want over £700 for a standard down pipe. Sod that.
Does anyone make a cat/downpipe that is factory spec? cobra/ninja/japspeed all have bellmouths... they wont work. Why is it so difficult and/or expensive to keep things road legal!?
Does anyone make a cat/downpipe that is factory spec? cobra/ninja/japspeed all have bellmouths... they wont work. Why is it so difficult and/or expensive to keep things road legal!?
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Hi there i have a good standard cat off a uk 2000 O2 sensor in the top of down pipe 50 quid plus postage it Wass used to get my v4 sti through mot test emissions I'll find the results if that helps bud??
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