yabbadoo4

iTrader: (8)

hi guys looking for advice re a set of wheels ive bought. wheels were advertised for a very good price but was a bit of a hike out of town to go see them 40 odd mile away but at the asking price were too good to not go and see them. so i stuck 40 quid in the tank and set off to see them. got there and the guy was nice enough, said he had a subaru sport and the wheels were off that car and was selling now as he had sold the scoob. wheels were in farly good nick with legal tyres so i chanced my arm and offered 20 quid lower than advertised price to recoup some fuel costs. guy said that was acceptable so the deal was done and i loaded up the wheels and headed home, even telling the guy i would send him a pic of the wheels on the car as he asked me if i would. so i got home and fired off an email to him and his partner who was there also and said thanks etc and was nice to meet them both and would get a pic off to them once they were fitted etc. all good, but the next day ive got a missed call from an unknown number with an area code from where i bought the wheels. strange i thought i wonder whats up? then i get an email saying when is it ok to call as there is a problem concerning the wheels. so this morning he phones me with this tale of how the alloys were not his to sell and belong to his boss who he works for and they were a present from his dead grandmother and he,s furious with him for selling them. he,s offering to come down and collect them and give me my fuel costs as well. this all sound a bit fishy to me and i get the feeling maybe someone has told him he sold them far too cheap and now he,s trying to get them back or has been offered more money elsewhere? as far as im concerned they were advertised on a site and i went a fair distance to see them in good faith and we made a deal and its done. but legally where would i stand? possession is 9/10th of the law etc etc? my viewpoint is i bought them in good faith and paid a price we agreed on. any thoughts guys?

Lunchmoney

If they werent his to sell, he could be considered selling stolen goods. The legitimate owner could report it the police as such. In which case you would be receiving stolen goods and have no recourse to keep the wheels and might be hard pushed to get any money back if it goes that far.

However the chap has offered to give your money back and refund your wasted costs. Make sure he offers enough to cover your fuel (80 mile round trip is how much? £20 in my car), and agree to meet somewhere that isn't your home address.

Miller-SoT

iTrader: (2)

For me, they are not stolen until the owner contacts the police and reports the theft.

Why would he have his bosses wheels?

Fishy..............rank if you ask me.

barnshaw

iTrader: (1)

as above, until you hear otherwise ask him to stop pestering you about YOUR wheels.

yabbadoo4

iTrader: (8)

this is my thoughts exactly, he showed me photos of the car he had with them fitted. said he sold it so had no need for the wheels. but if they belonged to his boss who got them from his dead grandmother and he had only borrowed them why would he be trying to sell them? im thinking also if the boss wants to report to police its fine by me as ive done no wrong here and i would get to the bottom of it. there,s proof of the advert for sale obviously so he couldnt deny advertising them for sale.

JGlanzaV

iTrader: (3)

So was his dead grandmother into Modifying cars?

Just ignore it, I wouldn't let it worry you, you have it all in writing etc so even if the old bill do turn up I wouldn't worry too much

Lunchmoney

That's an interesting view of what is considered stolen

XDevil666

I would stick an extra £40 on top and arrange the meet just outside the police station for smooth transaction

Carnut

As said before why take the risk. If his tale turns out to be fact then you could end up with no wheels and out of pocket.

When I was younger I swapped a computer with one of my friends for his computer that was of similar value. He was 18 at the time and the computer was a present from his mum, but when his mum found out what had happened she asked for us to swap back to which I said no .

Then a week later after hearing nothing the police turned up at the door (incidentally my dad was in the middle of major surgery and my mum thought that he had died), and told us we had to swap back.

Iam sure that we don't want to be reading this thread in a week with you saying that the police have turned up and you now have nothing.

How cheap where the wheels? Is it worth the risk?

JGlanzaV

iTrader: (3)

It isn't theft anyway the boss GAVE the lad the wheels, there is no writted agreement so its one word against another.

The lad then sold the wheels which the OP beleived to be his to sell.

The OP can prove the transaction happened etc.

The police won't be interested it will be a civil matter

Carnut

As ive just said, a friend of mine was GIVEN a computer by his mum as a present but when he gave it to me in a swop the police came round to my house and took it back.

Rights and laws are only as good as the the person that does or does not want to uphold them.

You can make a stand and express your rights but your a small fish in a big pond and if someone sees it differently to you then you could get screwed.

You could always take it to court if it was to get that far and push for your rights to be up held but life is to short, IMO take the refund plus expenses and run.

Shaunby 300

I would ask for his bosses number or email address. Have a chat with him.
If he wont provide them its probably rubbish.

scoobyskool

iTrader: (1)

did you get a receipt when you paid your money for the wheels ?

and what wheels were they and how much did you pay ? if they were something like genuine rays wheels for £200 then theres a fair chance you did get them cheap and the vendor has had a far better offer hence the story about the modding grandma

Carnut

Thats worth about as much as the paper that I wipe my **** with.

scoobyskool

iTrader: (1)

really ! well an item bought from an advert with a receipt would be mine as far as im concerned - best bet might be to of sold them on immediately as if you no longer have them you cant give them back and hence the lying at best or thieving at worst vendor can sort his own muddle out

TallRider

Sounds like the guy changed his mind. Highly unlikley that they are genuinely stolen, if they are then there is a small chance the Police could ask for them back but that's very unlikely.

Caveat Emptor ("Buyer beware") - you should always ensure (insofar as possible) that the seller has title to the goods. It's a bit difficult with wheels and parts etc because they're not registered, without seeing receipts you can never be 100% sure.

If he doesn't have title, and they are his bosses then technically you wouldn't have proper title to the wheels (despite possession) and you would have a remedy against the "seller" for the monies you paid to him (and any additional losses incurred by his misrepresentation)

Practically, it sounds like a try on and in my view, you purchased them in good faith and paid fair consideration for them so they are yours. Up to you whether you want to try and make a little bit of money out of him wanting them back. It's a civil issue rather than a criminal one.

NotFromSomerset

Were they off the dead grandmother's track car?

scoobyman2012

iTrader: (1)

I would keep the wheels , What wheels are they and how much did you pay?

smiffywhu

Sell them to me for 125% of what you bought them for, then if the old bill contact you let me know and I'll pass them on.No pass'i backsies!!

scoobyskool

iTrader: (1)

Lol we could call them the "hot potato" wheels and just keep em rolling around :-)

*matthewturb2000*

iTrader: (11)

Send a email moaning that they were buckled and had to scrap them so your seeing if he'll give you a partial refund as they were described as good working order? Or just tell him to do one

Coleyo2c

Does he know where you live? If not, **** him. Cheeky *******.

lordharding

iTrader: (1)

Get some photos up and the Price you paid for them do we can value them
Looks like some drugs Barron / bully wants them back of him and lads in deep soup

Late grandmother in the story
Classic

Franks

Whatever you decide to do, in the meantime make sure you have good locking wheel nuts/ keep the car somewhere inaccessible.

yabbadoo4

iTrader: (8)

Lol thanks for all the differing views on this. Been entertaining reading. I think I am going to keep the wheels and tell him to pass on my number to his "boss" and also that I am happy to speak to police if he wants to involve them in this. The wheels were inovite redlines wr1 replica type and normally go for arou d 350 or so from breakers and sellers on here. I paid a fair bit cheaper than that :-)

BROOKS1E

sell them back to him for £400,if he needs them back that much then i would make him pay for it !

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

If you want to keep them , tell him you sold them and don't have the buyers details , sounds like he's changed his mind and wants them back

*matthewturb2000*

iTrader: (11)

Tell him that they're on your dieing grandmothers justy and to go get them

scoobiepaul

Tell him an old lady bought them off you to give to her grandson.

dj219957

^ this