trails

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Think it did ok...

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...ign=newsletter

mickp

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Needs to do better than O.K with all the competition that's around. Even though its a new model, its all getting a bit tired to be honest. Subaru are not moving on IMO

L.J.F

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Still lame.... A weak 2.5 Cadbury chocolate bar and a lardy evo looking chassis with only 300bhp! When will they learn that the brand isn't as appealing with the current engine and looks

Steve's Sti

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doesn't look too bad tbh but the fact that most hot hatches are pushing 300 makes it quite boring as most megane drivers could keep up if not pass you, even a lot of diesel would keep up in standard form should have made it interesting like 400hp min as they wont sell a lot anyway

urban

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They will pass you.

lordharding

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I like the look of the car
Price is ok
But three year warrenty is no good to me on a car with quite a history on the engine

urban

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Its not the fact that its 3 years that would bother me, it's the quality of that warranty, given the past history on the warranty claims being rejected

Carnut

Its not much of a performance car when some *** in a BMW 330d can give you a hard time on motorway.I find it hard to tell the difference between any new car these days.Its just there's a black car there's a silver car and so on.P.S I would still get one over the rest if not just for the boxer engine.

The Trooper 1815

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but he'll be fooked if a small amount of damp, ice or standing water is anywhere near his back wheels. Scoob's are not motorway cars but have to be enjoyed.

TG did a similar test against the 235i and they gave the Subaru a thumbs up, PH are not slating the car like they have with a few others. new marques.

It is what it is, if you don't like it then go buy a Waitrose carpark hack.

neil-h

Where on earth do these arguments come from? I remember seeing exactly the same thing written about the GT86/BRZ when that was released. Do you people live in a Fast and the Furious film or something?

Steve's Sti

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I'm not exactly from fast and the furious, I'm just stating the obvious that it's going to be a quite a pointless car, anyone who gives it stick in the a-b roads will be gutted when the 2k clio passes them. If clocking up miles on motorway is your thing go ahead and order one,

neil-h

Are you absolutely sure? You seem to be quite concerned that somebody else might have a faster car than you...

Steve's Sti

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no it doesn't bother me who has a faster car, as there is always someone who pushes too far but the new model is lacking power in my eyes as 300 is not enough for a lardy car like that,

Carnut

I've just said on another thread that a standard sti is best and fast enough but you use to buy a Subaru because it could mix it with the big boys for a lot less money.The gap these days is a lot smaller and with a lot more to choose from it doesn't stand out.I would still buy the Subaru over the golf r or the merc if I was in that market.

urban

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But you see, the person behind the wheel of the STI will have thought he's purchased the fasted thing on the road - within reason of course.

urban

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But it not though is it.
300bhp just doesn't cut it any more with the Subaru - especially given the transmission loss of AWD

Steve's Sti

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that's my argument how many guys are getting brand new hot hatches on finance simple remap and would wipe the floor of a new Sti,

Carnut

Maybe but it used to be all about performance and hell to the inside (which I did like)but now its trying to be more like a BMW or whatever.Its just the price you have to pay.I would rather have more bhp and less going on in side but I would still buy one over the others

urban

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I agree totally.

300bhp was OK up to approx 2005

dabiscuit

Have Subaru just stopped caring since the loss of big WRC cars? Seems most manufacturers from the era have. I blame global warming

urban

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Recession, not global warming

romford-boy

They don't have the R&D budgets of the other firms. Best they can do with a tiny pool of cash.

Carnut

Maybe a bit of both and maybe a bit of EU influence. You only have to look at Toyota trucks to see what they are doing to fit in in the EU. Then there is the Prius and Nissan with the Note.All this coming from a side of the world that are producing more pollution in a day than we do in a year.Its all about trying to sell more cars in EU market

neil-h

I still don't follow the bhp argument, why does the fact some hot hatch or diesel BMW is faster matter? I've done the hot hatch thing and can easily say the impreza is a far more interesting drive. As for diesel BMWs, I'm not going near that one.

dabiscuit

F1 has had to go smaller, WRC has had to go smaller to meet money targets brought on by climate change and recession. I assume if you lose focus in your flagship sports cars you lose focus on your road car.

Bet it's still pretty good though

Butty

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I'm sure it will do very well in its biggest market, but then Subaru only have to compete against the locally made rubbish.
Over in Europe time, technology, efficiency and style have moved on......

Shaun

What drugs you on?

Most people can't even drive to the potential that 100bhp can be fully exploited. 300bhp is way more than enough for road use.

Just to put this into perspective.... I did a track day @ Cadwell in my mates 2008 hatch sti in November last year, with some other Scooby boys. We had the lowest powered Subaru there, which at full chat in super sports mode (or whatever it is called) was 330bhp. I told my mate we would use intelligent mode (which is probably, on his map, 280bhp). Most of the drivers, including 400bhp classics, couldn't keep up with me all day around that circuit (which was in the wet I hasten to add). My mate suddenly realised it wasn't power he needed..... it was driver training.

My mates car is "quick enough" and fun to drive.

My biggest issue with the new one is that they're still using that piece of **** 2.5...... which whilst that continues, will NEVER see me back in a new Subaru. Trust me, I want to be back in a new one.

Kwik

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Is the 2.5 completely unchanged?

Steve Whitehorn

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Good point

Given the issues of the past

What quality are the internals like?
And how good is the factory map?

Have they learnt their lesson...only time will tell perhaps!

Although the 2.5 block is fundamentaly a weaker thing than a 2.0, more has been machined out of it in effect.

I guess it is still the old school SCD 2.5 block?

It will be interesting to see the specification of the engine in this and interesting to see someone pull one apart at some point.

dabiscuit

The 2.5 boxer is one of the classic engines. Don't knock. But yes its gettinh on a bit