Bugmad

Hi guys
Im new to this side of the fence! , being a classic vw owner, but having come accross a VERY reasonably priced 94 ish wrx lump on ebay, i have meandered into the scooby scene a tad....

The plan for the project is to implant the wrx lump into the rear of my 72 bay window campervan, and surprise a few of the locals.

I noticed that a few of you guys have similar loony projects and thought that i may fit in quite well....(I hope)

Im going to start off by asking for little bits of advice and help, as i am just learning the ins and outs of these engines and the cars they come from..... but dont worry as i am a fast learner and im not affraid of asking stupid questions.

Now for the engine bit!
correct me if im wrong, but i seem to have an ej20 turbo from a 1994 ish car
the ecu appears to be the import z4 unit which would also tell me the whole car and thus the engine is also of import spec.

There are a lot of the vacuum lines and fuel lines just hacked off when i got the lump, so i will be asking a few questions about where they go and if i really need them. My main concern is reducing the ecu and loom to the bare minimum to get the engine running in the back of my van, so anybody who is a wizz with ecu's.... HELP please...lol

well thats enough rambling, so ill leave it up to you guys if i get thrown out or helped with my crazy VWRX project

Paul
(pics will be posted as soon as i take some )

v8voodoo

Paul,

I saw a lovely camper at Wheels Day this year with an JDM STi Scoob lump in it. The owner had also done an awful lot of engine tuning work as well as the immaculate body and interior. Unfortunately, I didn't have my camera with me at the time, though I'm sure a post on Volkszone would track the owner down easily.

Anyway, welcome to Scoobynet. There's a lot of us from across hobbies around here..!

Nige,
1959 Chevy pick up 468ci V8
2003 Impreza WRX

Bugmad

hi nige

cheers dude. thought id put the feelers out a bit... see what kind of reception it got... i know a few of the hardened vw fans frown on the whole...wet engine idea... but what the hell....

yeah there are a few nutters out there that have done the conversion in a few of the olde bugs and vans... just none that are that close to me so i cant ponce a few hours of copying wiring and vacuum line routes...lol

laters
paul

SirFozzalot

Sounds like an interesting project. Can't offer any technical advice I'm afraid but look forward to hearing how the project progresses.

Bugmad

cheers matey

Will upload pics and progress reports asap

SirFozzalot

Just noticed that you are in Essex....whereabouts?

There is a huge following of all things Subaru related in Essex, it would be good to see it at an Essex meet when it's finished!

Edited to add: There are also alot of knowledgeable folks in the Essex area, if you need any advice I am sure they will be able to help or give you contact details of someone who can.

Bugmad

Im in harlow, and work at Xtreme at present

and yes your right. there are a shed load of scoobys knocking around the area

I will deff be taking you up on that offer for the essex meet would be an interesting one thats for sure... scooby powered 34 year old camper

cant wait to surprise the locals with it... i just want to get stuck in.... but need to sort out the loom and ecu first..... need to reduce it to a minimum to run the engine.

so any ecu guru's please make yourself known!

paul

Richard Olafsson

You are far from alone, here's my work in progress ;-)


few of us over at www.vwkd.co.uk

Rich

Bugmad

hi rich
how have you gone about doin the ecu wiring????
this is the only thing slowing me down at present!

also where did you get the adaptor plate and flywheel?

paul

scooby-woo

Interesting

scooby-woo

Some ecu pinout diograms here.
www.northursalia.com/

rob878

Hi Bug Mad i'll not be able to help you at all, unless you want an RB199 bolted into your van. However due to much loitering around this board reading all these interesting projects and wishing that at the end of the day i had the patience to pick up more spanners i remembered this thread.

bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474664

Looked amazing however i wish he had posted what it looked like when he had finished

cookstar

iTrader: (6)

The adapter plates can be had quite easily and cheaply, A friend of mine has bus, will ask him tomorrow, there is a company that specialises in Scooby transplants to campervans and beetles.

Bugmad

Thanx cookstar that would be great....
I have found ds tuning in germany, tsr dragracers here in the uk, one in miami and another in australia. all ranging from around £250 - £500 for for the kits.

I know its not going to be a cheap project but, id sooner be paying £200 odd than £500+ for a kit that gives the same end result....

So any uk companies that are resonably priced is good.

cheers for the link scooby-woo. hope this pinout is the same for my z4... plugs look the same... soooooo should be . ill double check before i shove 12volts up its bum...

rob: yeah that guy has emailed me on some vw forums with tips and offered me to go to bath and copy his ecu loom, he payed sombody to chop it...£350+vat... no thanks... so i may just take him up on that one....

Richard Olafsson

rich baker's van i still very much a project in progress so a long way from being finished, he keeps us updated on vwkd. He also uses one of RJES' bellhousing conversions which is definitely the way I would go if I was using a bus gearbox as it means you can use a scooby clutch, keeps things simple! He has a much later engine than you so copying his loom wouldn't be much use. Best to just go through it all methodically and strip out what you don't need. I haven't done this bug's wiring yet but that's what I did on my speedster conversion (www.ricola.co.uk for builds of my projects). This time I'm also going to use a subaru instrument cluster grafted into the bug dash instead of having aftermarket gauges all over it (still work in progress)



I'm using a plate from DS Tuning which is by far the cheapest out there, we got two kits for £520 delivered which included 120 euros for flywheel cores.

Hope that helps!
Rich

Bugmad

hi Rich

So i can remove anything that i dont need. and the engine will still run?

did you just remove any wires that didnt go to the engne sensors or ecu?

I dont want to just start removing wires and find the engine wont run...

any help appreciated, as im more used to working on aircooled carbed vw motors...

and with regards to the ds tuning kit. did you call them? and do they speak english well? my german is really bad! lol


paul

Richard Olafsson

Start out by laying the whole loom out on the floor, this is the easiest way to identify what plugs go where. Then unwrap it all (big job!) and strip out all the stuff you know is not used to run the engine (ABS, lighting, wipers etc etc). Then you should have got rid of most of it, from there on I would go by wiring diagrams to try and simplify it or shorten any over long sections, but be careful with shielded cables and grouped earths as a common mistake is removing earths.. You could leave it until later in the project and remove stuff you aren't sure about when you can test if the engine will run or not..

DS don't speak English as far as I believe, I got a colleague to do the ordering in German and then did a bank transfer for payment. They were pretty quick, turned it around in a week or so.

Rich

Bugmad

thanx richard

will need to find sombody to speak german for me then..lol

have already stripped the loom of (very badly) taped insulation and have marked the plugs that go onto the engine itself, (two big grey ones at side, one big grey one at rear, egt sensors, maf, and also a bunch of sensors/valves on a plate thats usualy located on left side of engine bay in scooby) Any idea what that bubch of vacuum valves/sensors is or does, and do i need any of them? i noticed that on a wrx that came into work the other day one of them was bypassed anyway.

have got a badly scanned pinout of ecu, the plugs look identical, so can i assume that they would be relavent to my z4 ecu? as i cant seem to find a specific ecu pinout!

sorry for all the questions!

paul

Granby

iTrader: (5)

Have a word with these people tsr dragracers as they have done a few conversions

Bugmad

i have done matey..... and unless i give them £350+vat and my loom they cant really help.

cheers though

chris_c201

Keep me posted on this mate,

I plan on putting a scoob engine into a beetle next year, bit of a mechanical novice but wanna do as much myself as possible so hearing other folks issue's would help!

Richard - Do you have a link to any threads detailing exactly what you've done, what gearbox did you use, brakes, suspension etc.....

Also, apart from the engine, gearbox and actual donor beetle what would you approximate the overall costs to be....

Cheers
Chris

Richard Olafsson

The vac lines go to MAP sensor, boost control solenoid (can be bypassed for manual boost control) and another one. I would keep all of them if I were you, at least to start with!

Chris, I have a couple of threads on here, do a search for my username, but my website covers all the work I have done to my cars.
Brief run down of what I've done so far:
Chesil to Alfa boxer, then MY98 impreza turbo (944 brakes and 915 trans)
Karmann Ghia to Alfa boxer
GTM Libra
1303 cabrio to WRX RA with VOS chip (about 300bhp) in progress (technically on hold while I build a Phantom GTR as a daily driver) - AT beetle trans with 996 brakes

Rich

cookstar

iTrader: (6)

Thats the one TSR dragracers

richbaker78

rob878 thats mine that is I wish I had finished.....as Ricola has pointed out its still work in progress - ive made some good progress underneath but I figured its not really very interesting progress at the moment (hence no update or pics) - ive been making a radiator duct, mounting the jag radiator and all the associated nightmares that have taken longer than I ever expected but I guess that the price you pay for trying to do it as well as possible and 2 evenings a week!! dont worry ill update it next time ive got some good pictures...

bugmad....i think your wise stripping the loom yerself - in hindsight I would have like to retain the diagnostic port and I think ill do my own next time...I also thought I would need it sooner than i have (i still havent fitted it yet!! )so all this time these wiring loom diagrams have come out the woodwork I get more and more gutted!!! ....still you live and learn

Mangel

www.ricola.co.uk

should have loadsa info for you!!!

KLR16V

iTrader: (2)

http://www.saxonfields.freeserve.co.uk/

Follow link click on subaru , then click workshop manual , you have the choose of manuals and there is also ecu pinout and drawings i used the manual to fully strip and re-build my wrx 93 it identifies every thing and has torque settings and every thing you will need

good luck hope this helps

Mark

Bugmad

Well
have started the wiring loom, and seems to be going well. Have located all the important plugs and diagnostic ports etc, so going to remove all the rest in the next few days and hopefully be left with somthing a little more managable.

have sourced a rad, fuel pump and other various bits with a little help from some of the guys on scoobynet...

Adapter kit is on its way from germany as i type... cant wait!

will get some pics up when the work starts on the van.

Laters

rob878

Richbaker78

In interested on how you have mounted the radiator and still kept the classic lines, are you mounting it horizontally under the van and keeping well fanned and ducted or do you have a more ingenious approach. I have been thinking of finding a van or bug as i now drive the most boring of cars a diesel st mondeo and need something to liven up my weekends. The down side is that as i mentioned before is that i spend all day spannering aircraft and really would need a kick up the a*rse to do it at the weekend.

Anyway please let us all see how it going, it might be the incentive i need to join this mad projects board.

Bugmad

Hi rich

Im not planning on spoiling the lines.. this one is goin to be a proper sleeper!
i have a vw bellypan that i bought ages ago, and im going to mount the rad to it, and then angle the front down to make a scoop, that way the cold air is going to be above the rad in the void between the rad and the floorpan, with two fans...(currently trying to source) blowing air down and out of the way when the van isnt moving. So as well as keeping everything out of sight it keeps good ground clearance too!
I plan to build a very subtle exhaust at work, very much the same as the turbo mufflers on tunned bugs, to try and keep the roar to a subtle purr... well on idle any ways...lol WOOOOOSh the look on their faces when they get blown away by a 30 year old fully fitted camper van!

Will sort some pics out Very soon!
laters
paul

richbaker78

hi rob - i spent ages pondering how to do it more efficiently and that why there havent been many updates recently.....becasue ive been doing some major surgery. basically i didnt like the conventional way people mounted rads as they dont get clean airflow and rely on cooling fans being on a lot of the time -

so i cut out my cab floor right through from the front panel and inbetween the front seats and have built in a big duct. This duct is disguised by a skeleton number plate which can be flipped up on air rams in time of need (i already have the ari from the air suspension set up) - so it looks like a number plate to the untrained eye the duct drops down through the floor and feeds a massive jag XJ rad which is moutned flat. Fans are mounted too but i hope these will only be required in hot conditions. i have a few updates here on the cooling front..(sorry about bad pics)...but theres a lot more that has happened since....in fact since i have a quiet afternoon i might just do some updating....
http://www.vwkd.co.uk/bb/viewtopic.p...r=asc&start=24