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09 February 2003, 11:46 PM
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Due to the fact all the posts in this thread have been jumbled up in the move to Scoobynet Version 3 I have re-started th thread
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Andy
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http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimateb...2;t=000044;p=1
Please feel free to visit and comment.
Andy
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05 March 2003, 05:45 PM
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It starteth at the begining,
I suppose this will start of a bit like another DIY front mount thread, a few differences may be on the cards though
First some measurments,
how much work...just to take some measurments
Space for the transfer pipes,
There is about 70mm between the cam cover and the abs pump,
looks like I could turn it round 90 degrees if I needed to.
Now where do I stick the intercooler,
lets have a look,
dog see rabbit now
Hmmmm how about the pipes through here if I lean the radiator back like so, just need something to wedge it back now so I can take a few pics
Now all I have to sort out what core to buy and where from,
looks like I have 220mm to play with in height
and 700 mm to play with in length (including end tanks)
less If I want to feed pipes around radiator.
Andy
I suppose this will start of a bit like another DIY front mount thread, a few differences may be on the cards though
First some measurments,
how much work...just to take some measurments
Space for the transfer pipes,
There is about 70mm between the cam cover and the abs pump,
looks like I could turn it round 90 degrees if I needed to.
Now where do I stick the intercooler,
lets have a look,
dog see rabbit now
Hmmmm how about the pipes through here if I lean the radiator back like so, just need something to wedge it back now so I can take a few pics
Now all I have to sort out what core to buy and where from,
looks like I have 220mm to play with in height
and 700 mm to play with in length (including end tanks)
less If I want to feed pipes around radiator.
Andy
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05 March 2003, 05:48 PM
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Nice one Andy, will be very interested in this one. What core you thinking of using?
As i said earlier by email. I am thinking of modifying my APS kit to go similar routes.
What route are you thinking of for the direction of the air flow
Steven
As i said earlier by email. I am thinking of modifying my APS kit to go similar routes.
What route are you thinking of for the direction of the air flow
Steven
05 March 2003, 06:10 PM
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No probs steve, aim to please
Right...the core,
definitely a stacked plate type (plate and shell) and I'm having the end tanks on the top and bottom NOT the sides,
this way will allow me to create a greater internal flow area, as there will be more tubes in the up down direction than there would be from left to right.
all this for the same frontal area .... same transfer area .... same efficiency.
Advantages = lower pressure loss.
As for direction of flow and position,
out from the turbo toward the drivers wing, i.e either a opposite spinning turbo so that the output is at the top of the compessor housing and pointing toward the wing or just turn over a normal direction turbo so that the output is at the bottomn of the compressor housing and have it pointing slightly upward toward bonnet but still toward the drivers wing...
Then toward the front offside headlight in between the ABS pump and cam cover, keeping as low as poss to allow for huge inlet pipe across the top of it !
moving the rad forward so that the pipe can access the top of the intercooler core.
I may have to make my own thicker but shorter radiator if I can't move it forward enough to get the pipes in between.
Exit cool side of cooler at the bottom, up and over cam cover, having to re position oil filler for this.
then swinging round into what may end up being a charge cooler where the original top mount would have been.
Not yet looked at this end yet but would certainly be a bit different
If I do make one it will have to flow a dammed site better than the original top mount, that centre exit does nothing for flow
Andy
Right...the core,
definitely a stacked plate type (plate and shell) and I'm having the end tanks on the top and bottom NOT the sides,
this way will allow me to create a greater internal flow area, as there will be more tubes in the up down direction than there would be from left to right.
all this for the same frontal area .... same transfer area .... same efficiency.
Advantages = lower pressure loss.
As for direction of flow and position,
out from the turbo toward the drivers wing, i.e either a opposite spinning turbo so that the output is at the top of the compessor housing and pointing toward the wing or just turn over a normal direction turbo so that the output is at the bottomn of the compressor housing and have it pointing slightly upward toward bonnet but still toward the drivers wing...
Then toward the front offside headlight in between the ABS pump and cam cover, keeping as low as poss to allow for huge inlet pipe across the top of it !
moving the rad forward so that the pipe can access the top of the intercooler core.
I may have to make my own thicker but shorter radiator if I can't move it forward enough to get the pipes in between.
Exit cool side of cooler at the bottom, up and over cam cover, having to re position oil filler for this.
then swinging round into what may end up being a charge cooler where the original top mount would have been.
Not yet looked at this end yet but would certainly be a bit different
If I do make one it will have to flow a dammed site better than the original top mount, that centre exit does nothing for flow
Andy
05 March 2003, 06:11 PM
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This is a new one. Andys original one contained a very long thread title which distorted the forum index. So in an attempt to keep things tidy, i emailed Andy asking if he would mind re creating it, with a small title, ie less .... or spaces between them and the words.
To avoid people responding to a thread that would change, i locked it.
It was an attempt to keep things looking tidy and easy to look at.
Steven
To avoid people responding to a thread that would change, i locked it.
It was an attempt to keep things looking tidy and easy to look at.
Steven
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05 March 2003, 06:14 PM
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steve's to fussy about keeping his forum tidy.
had to do another title with less ..... and a few spaces.
you'll make a lovely house wife one day Steve
Andy
his forum tidy.had to do another title with less ..... and a few spaces.
you'll make a lovely house wife one day Steve
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05 March 2003, 07:01 PM
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Do Not!!!! remove the tie bar from the slam panel to the bottom valance..
I removed mine and put it back twice..
It is back in now
Just in case you were thinking of removing it to fit the core in.
Rob
I removed mine and put it back twice..
It is back in now
Just in case you were thinking of removing it to fit the core in.
Rob
05 March 2003, 07:43 PM
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Aww sheeeeet, I had planned to remove it,
I take it the bonnet becomes a little unstable then
Andy <flicking through "maximum boost" by Corky bell>
I take it the bonnet becomes a little unstable then
Andy <flicking through "maximum boost" by Corky bell>
05 March 2003, 08:03 PM
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Lol, just a bit mate!! how many people wanted to tell me my bonnet wasnt shut properly..
The second time round i made some brackets to bolt the slam panel to the bumper bracket, this worked quite well but would have given up over time..
Have you thought about rotating the battery 90 degrees? it gives you much more space and saves complete battery relocation??
Rob
The second time round i made some brackets to bolt the slam panel to the bumper bracket, this worked quite well but would have given up over time..
Have you thought about rotating the battery 90 degrees? it gives you much more space and saves complete battery relocation??
Rob
05 March 2003, 11:53 PM
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I also have new plans
unfortunatly (sp) steven - p20spd has seen them.. and scribbled his red pen on them
unfortunatly (sp) steven - p20spd has seen them.. and scribbled his red pen on them
06 March 2003, 09:28 PM
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Trying to do my own R&D on this one
but may buckle
help me out here
am I looking at this right ?
an example only (not the sizes I am looking at)
below, pasted from a site selling "standard sized cores"
4.5 X 5.85 X 16.5 790
* First two dimensions of the core represent the charge side. The second dimension can be cut down to create a smaller core (in increments of one charge row and one ambient row.)
** Approximate flow rate in CFM means the core will flow the CFM shown with 1.5PSI pressure drop. The core can flow more CFM, but the pressure drop will be higher.
this is my representation of what this means !
Is it correct ?????
but may buckle
help me out here
am I looking at this right ?
an example only (not the sizes I am looking at)
below, pasted from a site selling "standard sized cores"
4.5 X 5.85 X 16.5 790
* First two dimensions of the core represent the charge side. The second dimension can be cut down to create a smaller core (in increments of one charge row and one ambient row.)
** Approximate flow rate in CFM means the core will flow the CFM shown with 1.5PSI pressure drop. The core can flow more CFM, but the pressure drop will be higher.
this is my representation of what this means !
Is it correct ?????
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06 March 2003, 09:57 PM
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I was wondering when someone was going to bring that up !
inlet pipe.
catch can.
intercooler.
swirl pot.
all being done with hire TIG, because if I bought one I wouldn't have any dough left to spunk on the car
so practicing and giving away free catch cans is probably off the cards now
(must have been drunk when I wrote that in 22b)
curently the turbo on the top of the list is an MD195S (still struggling to find any info on it though
Does anyone know about this model ??
Andy
inlet pipe.
catch can.
intercooler.
swirl pot.
all being done with hire TIG, because if I bought one I wouldn't have any dough left to spunk on the car
so practicing and giving away free catch cans is probably off the cards now
(must have been drunk when I wrote that in 22b
)curently the turbo on the top of the list is an MD195S (still struggling to find any info on it though
Does anyone know about this model ??
Andy
09 March 2003, 07:38 PM
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Fuel pressure reg ordered today,
feelers out on the following :-
intercooler core,
VF/Garret hybrid,
HKS 3" Hiper muffler centre & rear,
740cc injectors (less hassle than trying to get 850's in)!
HKS un-equal length headers.
my wallet is cringing in the corner, waiting for doomsday
Andy
feelers out on the following :-
intercooler core,
VF/Garret hybrid,
HKS 3" Hiper muffler centre & rear,
740cc injectors (less hassle than trying to get 850's in)!
HKS un-equal length headers.
my wallet is cringing in the corner, waiting for doomsday
Andy
09 March 2003, 09:05 PM
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Andy, don't bother with the Hiper have a word with Pat and try one of his design exhaust systems...0 back pressure, a little quieter than the Hiper and it's all stainless for a little less money than a new Hiper (400 IIRC)
I've just removed a Hiper to fit the Pat spec beasty along with a hybrid Hayward and Scott Down pipe...I'll post some pics when I get it on the car eventually
for a little less money than a new Hiper (400 IIRC)I've just removed a Hiper to fit the Pat spec beasty along with a hybrid Hayward and Scott Down pipe...I'll post some pics when I get it on the car eventually
09 March 2003, 11:00 PM
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that's cos it is
Andy
edit: you'd think I'd remember how to link a piccy wouldn't you...
edit again to remove a rather emmbarrasing photo of meself
[Edited by Fuzz - 9/3/2003 11:02:00 PM]
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edit: you'd think I'd remember how to link a piccy wouldn't you...
edit again to remove a rather emmbarrasing photo of meself
[Edited by Fuzz - 9/3/2003 11:02:00 PM]
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09 March 2003, 11:27 PM
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Tim,
any chance of some pics of this Pat exhaust then..before it gets fitted, what about Pat manifolds (stainless) !!!
Andy,
I knew it.
what size though ?
I'm going for an 800 x 200 core, looks like I'm going to have to weld two cores together as they don't make a single one large enough
Andy
<gleefully rubbing hands together after mailing Bob>
I shall be considerably poorer by 9:00am tomorrow
any chance of some pics of this Pat exhaust then..before it gets fitted, what about Pat manifolds (stainless) !!!
Andy,
I knew it.
what size though ?
I'm going for an 800 x 200 core, looks like I'm going to have to weld two cores together as they don't make a single one large enough
Andy
<gleefully rubbing hands together after mailing Bob>
I shall be considerably poorer by 9:00am tomorrow
10 March 2003, 06:34 AM
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Yes I welded 2 cores together. 340 x 240 > 2off making 680w x 240t
I've posted a pic on here somewhere, I'll see if I can dig it out
I've posted a pic on here somewhere, I'll see if I can dig it out
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Fork me!!
I am amazed if that can be as quite as the Hiper like you say. It looks evil, positively evil
Cant wait to hear that on a car
Wallis/Trout, hurry up
Steven
I am amazed if that can be as quite as the Hiper like you say. It looks evil, positively evil
Cant wait to hear that on a car
Wallis/Trout, hurry up
Steven