Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11703792)

defaming China/Chinese race

Originally Posted by Mouser (Post 11703877)

The real reason this thread was started.

Geo-tagging - stalkers love 'em!

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 11703847)

I'm not stereotyping anyone.

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 11703884)

:confused: I just don't like cruelty, if that makes me an a55hole in the eyes of SN's regular posters that says more about them than it does about me.

Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11703887)

Right.



Then use these bolded words in your opening posts, rather than taking a mickey of the whole nation by saying "what a lovely nation!" sort of thing; the nation populated with good as well as bad Chinsese folks; just like elsewhere.



No one is ignoring the fact, which is a fact, but this is also a fact that you have a serious grudge against China and Chinese people and you keep making it apparent here by showing their flaws. You give the reason for that as China's crap human right record on this thread. But when you slag Chinese restaurants off for being unfriendly on some other thread, that's nothing to do with human rights in China, is it? Also, when you tell a member here on London thread that given his ancestry and its flaws, he shouldn't be calling you a 'Londoner', what happens there, eh??



No, but calling the whole nation "What a lovely nation" in sarcasm, which is populated by Chinese, who do you blame for others taking your stance as a stereotypical one?

You know, I recognise you as a person with your strong stance against racism, sexism and homophobia, and I admire that! But with this constant attack on Chinese ways of behaving and Chinese whatever, you display yourself contrary to that persona. Now call me a fool and talk about you not being 'literally' prejudiced etc., I don't care.

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 11703895)

No I have a serious grudge against the Chinese authorities..

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11703918)

A Chinese bloke's standing outside a shop and a man walks past and asks what type of shop it is. "It's a crows' shop" replies the Chinese bloke. "Don't you mean a clothes shop", responds the man. The Chinese bloke says "no, it's a crows' shop, come in, take a rook."

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11703939)

:mad:

Funny gag, though. :lol1:

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11703737)

Humans, particularly westerners, have a relationship with the dog that has evolved in a unique way so that people benefit tremendously from dogs that guide, guard, assist people with disabilities, help catch criminals and sniff out harmful substances. They also provide companionship and to many are part of the family. The idea that this is equivalent too or comparable with our relationship with a chicken or a fish is absurd. We do not have guide cods for the blind or sniffer cocks.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11703810)

Sorry about your carp, but I'm unsure how this is relevant.



Yes, the pig example is a good one. My ex (a life-long vegetarian) used to keep pigs. Intelligent creatures. I've seen them led to slaughter and they appear to be anticipating their impending destruction. Nonetheless, the vast majority of westerners do not keep pigs as pets or workers. Pigs are not ingrained in our subconscious in the same way dogs are, although the film Babe went some way towards restoring the balance. There's a reason telly has not commissioned a programme called One man and his pot bellied pig.

If you had to kill either an earthworm or an orca whale, what would you choose and why?

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 11703884)

:confused: I just don't like cruelty

Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 11703971)

also killed my fair share of flying rats, tree rats and sewer rats over the years

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11703959)

you can say the same for horses ( I would argue even more so)

they are pretty mainstream food in France

an we boil nags down (once they have become uneconomic) for glue

Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 11703971)

I wouldn't kill either as I only kill for food these days, and seeing as I don't eat whale or worms there's no point. As a hunter I have killed many rabbits, wood pigeons, Pheasants, ducks, geese, I have also killed a pig and a couple of goats, all found their way to the table or dog bowl, also killed my fair share of flying rats, tree rats and sewer rats over the years but that was by way of pest control but never ate those, due to the diseases they carry.

I don't think that anyone that eats meat has the right to moralise over what type of meat others eat or animals they kill, endangered species excluded.

Personally I wouldn't kill something like a tiger or any other endangered animal unless my life depended on it, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to find myself in such a situation on land or sea, even if I had the weapon to get the job done.

Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline (Post 11703773)

Indeed. Many years back whilst visiting Canada I enjoyed eating beaver. :)

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11704099)

Of course they do. Why not eat a human?

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11704099)

Of course they do. Why not eat a human?

Originally Posted by pimmo2000 (Post 11703662)

I guess it's subjective

Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 11704243)

So what gives you the right to moralise over other peoples eating habits?

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11704262)

There are no laws against it. In fact earlier you excluded endangered species from the list of animals that you'd happily kill; that's moralising.

I don't "happily" kill anything, in fact I find it quite difficult and it gives me no pleasure at all, beyond knowing that the animal was dispatched quickly and efficiently, but I am a firm believer that if you're going to eat meat one should know how to deal with every aspect of the process and be prepared to do so, no matter how disturbing.

You also ducked a hypothetical question: the choice of killing an earthworm or an orca whale. The point I wanted to make was that the latter is so much further along the sentience quotient scale that one would have to engage in all manner of moral contortions in order to claim the two have equal billing. A chimpanzee is blatantly more sentient than a dog and a dog is more sentient than chicken and a chicken is more sentient than a fly. People swat flies all the time because they're annoying.

Buddha would argue to the contrary.

As the highest of primates we're rightly conscious of other creatures' consciousness and we make value judgments accordingly. You seem to want to endorse or impose some kind of Marxist principle of equality or relativism that simply doesn't exist in nature or man's relationship with it. Some animals are more equal than others.

Marx, Einstein and Orwell,interesting combination, I wonder what Machiavelli would say.


Is it the law rather than your concsience that guides you? Additionally, most (insufficient data to say all) cannibals have been wiped-out; kuru and other disorders have seen to that. It would appear that the evolutionary process has deemed the consumption of human meat by other humans an act punishable by extinction.

I'm guided by my own sense of right and wrong, I don't need laws to tell the difference between the two, although I do appreciate that not all of us are blessed with the ability to have thoughts of our own.

As for the extinction of cannibals, I'd say it's more in line with what happened to the Aztecs and Inca's than the "evolutionary process".

Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 11704281)

Careful James, remember the evolution of man didn't happen, or are you now suggesting that you no longer Adam and Eve the teachings of the Bible. :lol1:

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11704289)

I'm a theistic evolutionist, Ditchy. Whilst you're looking that up (;)) perhaps you could research the difference between Einsteinian relativity and philosophical relativism. We'll deal with the Bhavacakra another day.

Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 11704297)

It's all relative to me mate, ;) I'll leave the theorising and research to you, I'm too busy leading the way and doing. ;)