Yes i like BMW but....
07 February 2011, 12:46 PM
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Yes i like BMW but....
...this looked properly awesome on the road the other day...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2339127.htm
It's the first time i've seen one in a bright colour. All the others have been the usual dark blue or black and it was refreshing to see it in a bold colour. Doesn't look it in the picture mind you, but in the flesh it was stunning.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2339127.htm
It's the first time i've seen one in a bright colour. All the others have been the usual dark blue or black and it was refreshing to see it in a bold colour. Doesn't look it in the picture mind you, but in the flesh it was stunning.
07 February 2011, 12:56 PM
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...this looked properly awesome on the road the other day...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2339127.htm
It's the first time i've seen one in a bright colour. All the others have been the usual dark blue or black and it was refreshing to see it in a bold colour. Doesn't look it in the picture mind you, but in the flesh it was stunning.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2339127.htm
It's the first time i've seen one in a bright colour. All the others have been the usual dark blue or black and it was refreshing to see it in a bold colour. Doesn't look it in the picture mind you, but in the flesh it was stunning.
if yr interested
07 February 2011, 01:03 PM
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yes...bargain really (if you can afford to run them )....one lady owner who drive its to ferry her child to school and back and never trash .
she changes cars every 2-3 yrs when the manufacturer warranty is about to run out on them (fsh).
they loaded !!
she changes cars every 2-3 yrs when the manufacturer warranty is about to run out on them (fsh).
they loaded !!
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07 February 2011, 01:40 PM
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yes not much in it ......but i had bought her previouse car (E60 M5) off her and only just bought my M3(from new )mileage is only 5k on mine at the mom , so why would I want to change for a older/higher mileage car (even a RS6).
Now if i was in between cars its a no brainer really as i would loose very little to run it for a year aparts from fuel/service etc etc .
The only time I would change for a "older" car would be the porsche 997 turbo/GT2/3 as i can't really justifly spending £80-100k on a new car !!
Now if i was in between cars its a no brainer really as i would loose very little to run it for a year aparts from fuel/service etc etc .
The only time I would change for a "older" car would be the porsche 997 turbo/GT2/3
as i can't really justifly spending £80-100k on a new car !!
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07 February 2011, 03:07 PM
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One of these has always been on my want list. I've never driven one but the reading up I have done reckons they are a bit sterile, boring to drive with little steering feel. I really hope they're not that bad.
Actually, just reading the add, its only a pool short from being a cruise ship.
Actually, just reading the add, its only a pool short from being a cruise ship.
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07 February 2011, 09:04 PM
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The problem is the RS6 never quite became best in class, and that's what it's all about when spending this kind of money. On the whole the M5 was a better drivers car, though the RS6 had a really nice engine.
The RS6 had the advantage though that iirc it came out after the E60 M5 so it had a bit more development on its side.
Then the E63 AMG came out and that I think actually became best in class as the M5 was getting long in the tooth, the SMG gearbox in particular was beginning to feel really old fashioned. AMG finally did more than just create fantastic engines. This car had great steering and unlike the RS6 has a 'wet' clutch rather than a traditional torque converter so great drive train.
In about 6 months time the new M5 will be revealed and unless M branch **** things up you will have a 600 BHP monster with a dual clutch arrangement and some clever tricks to make fuel consumption less than ridiculous. It will probably go to the top of the pile.
Now that AMG have realised that cars need to do more than go fast in a straight line a few years from now they will bring out an E Class AMG which with the extra development time may well beat the M5.
The problem is Audi never quite seems to go to the top of the class with their RS6. It never seems to excite in the way that M branch and more recently AMG branch does.
imho of course
The RS6 had the advantage though that iirc it came out after the E60 M5 so it had a bit more development on its side.
Then the E63 AMG came out and that I think actually became best in class as the M5 was getting long in the tooth, the SMG gearbox in particular was beginning to feel really old fashioned. AMG finally did more than just create fantastic engines. This car had great steering and unlike the RS6 has a 'wet' clutch rather than a traditional torque converter so great drive train.
In about 6 months time the new M5 will be revealed and unless M branch **** things up you will have a 600 BHP monster with a dual clutch arrangement and some clever tricks to make fuel consumption less than ridiculous. It will probably go to the top of the pile.
Now that AMG have realised that cars need to do more than go fast in a straight line a few years from now they will bring out an E Class AMG which with the extra development time may well beat the M5.
The problem is Audi never quite seems to go to the top of the class with their RS6. It never seems to excite in the way that M branch and more recently AMG branch does.
imho of course
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08 February 2011, 08:11 AM
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Wow, what an accolade. Look how cars like the Cadillac, and Colt CZ also get shortlisted in an awards ceremony none of us has heard of....
http://www.wcoty.com/vehicles/?year=2006&cat=3
http://www.wcoty.com/vehicles/?year=2006&cat=3
08 February 2011, 09:19 AM
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The problem is the RS6 never quite became best in class, and that's what it's all about when spending this kind of money. On the whole the M5 was a better drivers car, though the RS6 had a really nice engine.
The RS6 had the advantage though that iirc it came out after the E60 M5 so it had a bit more development on its side.
Then the E63 AMG came out and that I think actually became best in class as the M5 was getting long in the tooth, the SMG gearbox in particular was beginning to feel really old fashioned. AMG finally did more than just create fantastic engines. This car had great steering and unlike the RS6 has a 'wet' clutch rather than a traditional torque converter so great drive train.
In about 6 months time the new M5 will be revealed and unless M branch **** things up you will have a 600 BHP monster with a dual clutch arrangement and some clever tricks to make fuel consumption less than ridiculous. It will probably go to the top of the pile.
Now that AMG have realised that cars need to do more than go fast in a straight line a few years from now they will bring out an E Class AMG which with the extra development time may well beat the M5.
The problem is Audi never quite seems to go to the top of the class with their RS6. It never seems to excite in the way that M branch and more recently AMG branch does.
imho of course
The RS6 had the advantage though that iirc it came out after the E60 M5 so it had a bit more development on its side.
Then the E63 AMG came out and that I think actually became best in class as the M5 was getting long in the tooth, the SMG gearbox in particular was beginning to feel really old fashioned. AMG finally did more than just create fantastic engines. This car had great steering and unlike the RS6 has a 'wet' clutch rather than a traditional torque converter so great drive train.
In about 6 months time the new M5 will be revealed and unless M branch **** things up you will have a 600 BHP monster with a dual clutch arrangement and some clever tricks to make fuel consumption less than ridiculous. It will probably go to the top of the pile.
Now that AMG have realised that cars need to do more than go fast in a straight line a few years from now they will bring out an E Class AMG which with the extra development time may well beat the M5.
The problem is Audi never quite seems to go to the top of the class with their RS6. It never seems to excite in the way that M branch and more recently AMG branch does.
imho of course
On watching Top Gear, i was even quite surprised by the very silly priced Merc....but being an S-class, but is it's direct competitors? If the E-class is A6 and a 5er, then the S must be against the A8 and 7er, but neither of these how a supercar version?
I feel i can never really comment as i've never driven or owned one, but after the Subaru Cosworth, Focus RS and never-gonna-happen C30 drag event on TG, i think that shows primarly why us Northerns prefer to have 4WD over the better driver envolvment RWD cars.
Although the RS6 has been described as a bit bland, it has also been described as effortless and as we get older and a bit less gun-ho, that sort of car fits the bill better before we even get the weather conditions.
I always said the RS4 Avant was the perfect car for me. Has the space and practicality of any car and yet ticks all the other boxes for driving thrills, although you may have to ticker with suspension and geometry to get it right on the money.
If i compare our old E60 530D with manual transmission against the parents X5 35D, although there wasn't THAT much difference in real world acceleration, when the roads were damp or a bit cold, the X5 with all it's extra weight and height/size was off the mark without a murmur, whereas the "usable manual" was struggling in second gear.
I'd love to have an M5 or AMG, but not only am i not the driver i wish i was, but the weather dictates the car's power too much. 4WD rules up here and for safetys sake/useability i'd take the RS6 over a mega powered RWD competitor.
PS:- STILL waiting on BMW getting the finger out and provide us with X-Drive in their road cars. I doubt they'd supply the M cars with it, but i'll queue up for a 4WD BM over an Audi.
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08 February 2011, 11:32 AM
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If i compare our old E60 530D with manual transmission against the parents X5 35D, although there wasn't THAT much difference in real world acceleration, when the roads were damp or a bit cold, the X5 with all it's extra weight and height/size was off the mark without a murmur, whereas the "usable manual" was struggling in second gear.
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PS:- STILL waiting on BMW getting the finger out and provide us with X-Drive in their road cars. I doubt they'd supply the M cars with it, but i'll queue up for a 4WD BM over an Audi.
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PS:- STILL waiting on BMW getting the finger out and provide us with X-Drive in their road cars. I doubt they'd supply the M cars with it, but i'll queue up for a 4WD BM over an Audi.
A 535Xi manual would be my weapon of choice. Doesn't exist in the UK though.
They make it, but just don't import it.
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08 February 2011, 12:28 PM
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...this looked properly awesome on the road the other day...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2339127.htm
It's the first time i've seen one in a bright colour. All the others have been the usual dark blue or black and it was refreshing to see it in a bold colour. Doesn't look it in the picture mind you, but in the flesh it was stunning.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2339127.htm
It's the first time i've seen one in a bright colour. All the others have been the usual dark blue or black and it was refreshing to see it in a bold colour. Doesn't look it in the picture mind you, but in the flesh it was stunning.
08 February 2011, 12:35 PM
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Certainly, i've read a few stories lately they are seriously considering it, after the weather we've had and the sales increase in the 4X4's and Audi AWD versions.
Probably no truth in it though.
08 February 2011, 12:43 PM
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Not everyone who wants a powerful Supersaloon wants to fight the damn thing everytime it rains.
Watching 5th Gear when they put the Panamera Turbo up against a Merc something or other with 600bhp going to the rear wheels.
None of them liked the Merc, stating that in the rain it was dangerous.
Audi's may not be the class leaders. You may well be able to powerslide an M5 or AMG better than an RS6, but could you? Tiff, Plato etc can. Could you? Doubt it.
So the Audi may be a bit boring, but at least least you'll be able to use all it power all of the time. Overtaking in an RS6 will be a piece of cake. In the M5 or an AMG, you'll be hesitant to give it the full beans incase it snaps.
Those who want the security of AWD will buy the RS6. Those that don't will buy the M5 or AMG.
Each to their own.
Watching 5th Gear when they put the Panamera Turbo up against a Merc something or other with 600bhp going to the rear wheels.
None of them liked the Merc, stating that in the rain it was dangerous.
Audi's may not be the class leaders. You may well be able to powerslide an M5 or AMG better than an RS6, but could you? Tiff, Plato etc can. Could you? Doubt it.
So the Audi may be a bit boring, but at least least you'll be able to use all it power all of the time. Overtaking in an RS6 will be a piece of cake. In the M5 or an AMG, you'll be hesitant to give it the full beans incase it snaps.
Those who want the security of AWD will buy the RS6. Those that don't will buy the M5 or AMG.
Each to their own.
08 February 2011, 02:48 PM
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With all the Driver aids let's not pretend one is actually fighting 600 hp to the rears.
08 February 2011, 09:01 PM
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08 February 2011, 09:12 PM
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Was it Audi who started all the mental estates with the RS2?
Still can't remember if it was mainly porsche bits or Audi bits
Anyway,if anyone thinks that car is boring must be used to some rather tasty stuff!
Still can't remember if it was mainly porsche bits or Audi bits
Anyway,if anyone thinks that car is boring must be used to some rather tasty stuff!
08 February 2011, 09:55 PM
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Here's some pics of the underside of a AWD E46 :
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...Y/SSK/oil2.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...CT0343-bmp.jpg
Drivetrain layout: http://www.awdwiki.com/images/bmw-33...ansmission.jpg
Admittedly not much room to play underthere, but the front prop is to the right on the pics (i.e Left side car when sat inside it), as is the Diff, with the one driveshaft passing through the sump (like an Escort cosworth/XR4x4). In other words, the stuff that makes it AWD is all on the same side as the driver of a LHD car. And the drivers side is usually the side that has space issues (pedal box, steering gear, brake booster etc.).
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08 February 2011, 10:04 PM
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I think some myths need to be put to bed.
1) Driving the M5 is a doddle in the wet. I haven't had an AMG for a number of years now so can't comment on the modern ones, the one I had was a bit lairy in the wet.
The M5 has never ever let go or snapped in the wet and I've always made fairly swift progress in it. When its pouring down I'm usually the guy driving fastest. Please note I'm a very average driver.
The power in the M5 is very linear due to its NA engine which means you would have to be driving like a loon to lose control of it on a public road.
2) In the snow is another matter. Like most rwd cars it is not very clever. From now on though I will change to winter tyres from about October onwards, I think they can make quite a bit of difference?
1) Driving the M5 is a doddle in the wet. I haven't had an AMG for a number of years now so can't comment on the modern ones, the one I had was a bit lairy in the wet.
The M5 has never ever let go or snapped in the wet and I've always made fairly swift progress in it. When its pouring down I'm usually the guy driving fastest. Please note I'm a very average driver.
The power in the M5 is very linear due to its NA engine which means you would have to be driving like a loon to lose control of it on a public road.
2) In the snow is another matter. Like most rwd cars it is not very clever. From now on though I will change to winter tyres from about October onwards, I think they can make quite a bit of difference?