This is going to be fun - 1 Series M Coupe :)
09 July 2010, 12:27 PM
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This is going to be fun - 1 Series M Coupe :)
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/au...confirmed.html
The only worry is the price.
It would be interesting to compare it to say the E36 M3 Coupe/and or the 'breadvan' in terms of weight and power. The major differences would be size, naturally aspirated/turbo engine, techie stuff (active suspension/flappy paddles etc.)
The only worry is the price.
It would be interesting to compare it to say the E36 M3 Coupe/and or the 'breadvan' in terms of weight and power. The major differences would be size, naturally aspirated/turbo engine, techie stuff (active suspension/flappy paddles etc.)
09 July 2010, 02:29 PM
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BMW are going turbo due to emmissions, we simply can't get the required power and keep inside the ever tightening eu4 and eu5 regulations anymore.
Therefore, the only way is to go forced induction.
Therefore, the only way is to go forced induction.
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I feckin love turbos!!
Much longer power band, easy tunability and TORQUE
I do love the screaming high revs of the M motors,
But I love turbos more,
And we still have the M3 V8 and the M5 V10
Dan
Much longer power band, easy tunability and TORQUE
I do love the screaming high revs of the M motors,
But I love turbos more,
And we still have the M3 V8 and the M5 V10
Dan
09 July 2010, 09:12 PM
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That's the point, as little lag there is, its still there albeit mostly masked by clever throttle mapping. Zero lag and instantaneous reponse at any revs is the issue here - something that one could always expect from an M-car, but now...maybe not.
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09 July 2010, 11:02 PM
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With two turbos, lag is impossible to detect. One little turbo spools up from almost no revs, then the second big one comes in - nothing like the brutal lag then kick of old style turbos.
1 series M car will be mental though as the 135i is pretty 
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/au...confirmed.html
The only worry is the price.
It would be interesting to compare it to say the E36 M3 Coupe/and or the 'breadvan' in terms of weight and power. The major differences would be size, naturally aspirated/turbo engine, techie stuff (active suspension/flappy paddles etc.)
The only worry is the price.
It would be interesting to compare it to say the E36 M3 Coupe/and or the 'breadvan' in terms of weight and power. The major differences would be size, naturally aspirated/turbo engine, techie stuff (active suspension/flappy paddles etc.)
12 July 2010, 12:57 PM
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The E90 330i produces 270+hp from a n/a 3.0 and has a combined consumption of 37mpg+.
Most impressive, the E90 325i has a torquey 3.0 straight 6 produces 218hp achieves 39.2 mpg combined and emits only 168 g/km and does 0-60 in 6.7sec, 50-75mph in 7.1 & 155mph (140hp / tonne)
The E46 330i has a 3.0 straight 6 and produced 228hp achieves 29mpg combined but emits 218g/km but does 0-60 in 6.5, 50-75mph in 7.1 & 155mph (151.5hp / tonne)
12 July 2010, 01:52 PM
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Wonder if they'll bother making is light? BMs (like mine...) are a wee bit weighty these days.
I also wonder how dreadful it will be in snow? Or on damp grass (mine's awful!).
Supercharging often kills mpg completely - look at the way AMG have also steered away from supercharging to turbocharging.
I also wonder how dreadful it will be in snow? Or on damp grass (mine's awful!).
Supercharging often kills mpg completely - look at the way AMG have also steered away from supercharging to turbocharging.
13 July 2010, 11:18 AM
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13 July 2010, 04:38 PM
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Hybrid requires electricity (no **** Sherlock), which requires fossil fuels to generate. Hydrogen (when we find a cheap and easy way of obtaining it) and Nuclear is the way forward. We need a fuel with a power to weight ratio similar to petrol for it to be a viable alternative.
13 July 2010, 05:11 PM
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Anything that doesn't use any fossil fuel is very hard to tax. Therefore it'll be resisted at every twist and turn by governments and oil giants (who, like the banks, have huge power over any government) and is going be very slow in development.
Fuel is a massive revenue generator - to turn off that "tap" would cause major headaches. It's about the easiest money the government makes.
Fuel is a massive revenue generator - to turn off that "tap" would cause major headaches. It's about the easiest money the government makes.
13 July 2010, 05:18 PM
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Token gestures and lip service is all it is. The kindest thing we could all do for the environment is to run our current cars for the next twenty years. Cease production of new cars and watch the environment flourish(!) Ain't gonna happen though is it?
13 July 2010, 05:20 PM
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I suspect they already know.
Hybrids that use "proper" energy regeneration, ie motors that charge batteries/capacitors/spin up flywheels as part of a braking system are probably the most environmentally justifiable type. Short term storage systems are much less damaging to make.
Using fossil fuel to power ICEs that charge **** off huge banks of toxic batteries which in turn power electric motors to keep C02 emissions down are simply paying lipservice to current initiatives. Especially when small diesel engines are more efficient and less damaging to manufacture/scrap.
Lexus RH400 - fecking joke. if you're that worried about the environment buy something smaller...
Hybrids that use "proper" energy regeneration, ie motors that charge batteries/capacitors/spin up flywheels as part of a braking system are probably the most environmentally justifiable type. Short term storage systems are much less damaging to make.
Using fossil fuel to power ICEs that charge **** off huge banks of toxic batteries which in turn power electric motors to keep C02 emissions down are simply paying lipservice to current initiatives. Especially when small diesel engines are more efficient and less damaging to manufacture/scrap.
Lexus RH400 - fecking joke. if you're that worried about the environment buy something smaller...